June 4, 2024

Commissioner Cox

said the Treasurer’s Office needed to have its air conditioning adjusted and asked staff to look into it as they were having issues with Siemens.

Commissioner Strickland

thanked the volunteers who showed up this weekend for the fencing from Roadrunner to the mountain as well as Commissioner Carbone. The next date was June 22-23, 2024, and she asked to start at 5:30 a.m. Safety Officer Brian Bell spoke about the Step Into Wellness program that was available to the County employees, which was an eight week challenge with raffles every week. Arnold Knightly said the move of Health and Human Services to the 250 Building was completed Monday. Staff was working on a flag raising ceremony for that facility and he hoped to do it June 18, 2024, at 8:30 am.

Commissioner Jabbour

disclosed he was asked to be on the commiffee as part of his district was in Pahrump. SITTING AS THE NYE COUNTY BOARD OF HIGHWAY COMMISSIONERS

Commissioner Carbone

assumed the Chair of the Board of Highway Commissioners.

Commissioner Cox

asked for an update on the use of the durapatchers.

Mr. Gott

said the durapatchers were very useful tools in preparation for the chip seal. The goal this year was to remove the least amount of chip possible by grinding up the roads and redoing them so they were going in and patching them, which the durapatchers worked great for. They were in use every day and all three were out today.

Commissioner Cox

said she hated spending all this money on equipment and then years later have the same problem. She said a good example of that was Moccasin June 4, 2024 - — General Road Report by the Public Works Director on General Road Maintenance, Gravel Road Maintenance, Asphalt Patching, Weed Mowing, and direction regarding public works projects. Street behind Saddle West and she wondered why a compactor was not run over it after the potholes were filled. She thought maybe it was time to bid out some of the jobs.

Commissioner Cox

then mentioned the potholes on Basin and Whitney as well as Ranger and Elderberry.

Commissioner Boskovich

asked Mr. Gott to look at Mount Charleston and the weeds.

Commissioner Jabbour

asked for an estimated timeframe for when the crews would be in Gabbs. He also wondered if the crew and equipment would be mobilized while they were in Tonopah or vice versa.

Mr. Gott

said the plan was to work their way north once the 15 miles of chip seal in Pahrump was done. The crews would then jump to Amargosa, then Beatty and Tonopah, and finally Gabbs. Mr. Gott thought August would be the latest that they could get up to Tonopah and Gabbs because of the weather window.

Commissioner Jabbour

thought that plan was a little reversed as it stayed warmer in Pahrump, Amargosa, and Beatty into October and November. He asked the Chair to direct staff to adjust their schedule.

Commissioner Strickland

agreed with the schedule change. SITTING AS THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS

Commissioner Strickland

assumed the Chair of the Board of County Commissioners.

Commissioner Boskovich

made a motion to approve items 8.1-8.6; seconded by

Commissioner Carbone

; 5 yeas. June 4, 2024 8.2. For Possible Action — Approval to: 8.2.a. Accept Notice of SubAward Amendment #1 from Division of Public and Behavioral Health to administer the Women. Infants and Children Program (WIC) for Fiscal Year 2024 for the months of October 1, 2023 through January 19, 2024 in the amount of $l6O79l.O0, to provide nutrition education, food delivery system and facilitate delivery of health services. No County match required; 8.2.b. Execute the Notice of Sub-Recipient Award and 8.2.c. Fund to 10340 Grants.

Commissioner Boskovich

made a motion to approve items 8.1-8.6; seconded by

Commissioner Carbone

; 5 yeas. 8.3. For Possible Action Approval of an offer of dedication for right of way being the entire Southwest 10.00 feet of the property located at 1030 East Kearney Street, Pahrump, NV. Assessor’s Parcel Number 040-181-56 along the parcel line adjoining Assessor’s Parcel Number 040-191 -56 from Nye County for the purpose of future drainage improvements.

Commissioner Boskovich

made a motion to approve items 8.1-8.6; seconded by

Commissioner Carbone

; 5 yeas. 8.4. For Possible Action Approval of an offer of dedication for road right of way being the entire North 30.00 feet fronting Gertrude Way and the entire East 30.00 feet fronting Heather Way of the property located at 2721 East Gertrude Way, Pahrump, NV, Assessor’s Parcel Number 035-254-01 from Nye County and designate Gertrude Way and Heather Way as Minor County Roads rejecting maintenance for the purpose of future road improvements.

Commissioner Boskovich

made a motion to approve items 8.1-8.6; seconded by

Commissioner Carbone

; 5 yeas. 8.5. For Possible Action Approval of an offer of dedication for road right of way being the entire North 30.00 feet fronting Garnet Road and the entire East 30.00 feet fronting Ruby Street of the property located at 1781 West Garnet Road, Pahrump, NV, Assessor’s Parcel Number 028-111-04 from Nye County and designate Garnet Road and Ruby Street as Minor County Roads rejecting maintenance for the purpose of future road improvements.

Commissioner Boskovich

made a motion to approve items 8.1-8.6; seconded by

Commissioner Carbone

; 5 yeas. June 4, 2024 8.6. For Possible Action Approval of an offer of dedication for road right of way being the entire North 20.00 feet fronting Silver Gold Lane of property located at 201 Silver Gold Lane, Sunnyside, NV, Assessor’s Parcel Number 01 3-631-28 from Nye County and designate Silver Gold Lane as a Minor County Road rejecting maintenance for the purpose of future road improvements.

Commissioner Boskovich

made a motion to approve items 8.1-8.6; seconded by

Commissioner Carbone

; 5 yeas. BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS

Commissioner Jabbour

asked who submitted the invoices for reimbursement to the County.

Ms. Ryba

said the County’s current contracts provided that the attorneys could charge hourly for Category A felonies so under that the Department of Indigent Defense Services received invoices from the attorneys for those services As to the County’s public defenders who were not fully qualified to handle Category A, a second chair was selected to sit with them to help train them. That second chair would submit invoices to her department for review and then ultimate submission to the County for payment.

Commissioner Jabbour

asked how many State Public Defenders there were currently.

Ms. Ryba

said there was one State Public Defender with two employees. She said it was not realistic for them to build an office right now in Nye County, and the State Public Defender Office salaries were behind what they were paying at the County level. That was why the proposal was to continue what was working in Nye County, which was to continue with the contract, and they would request funding for the equivalent of 12 full-time contracts. June 4, 2024 - — concerning compliance with National Center for State Courts (NCSC) Caseload Study pursuant to the Davis v. Nevada Settlement Consent Judgment.

Commissioner Jabbour

did not think two State Public Defenders could handle the workload of all counties that transferred.

Ms. Ryba

explained they were working to build the staff, but that took time. She thought that was something that would be best built in the next legislative session.

Commissioner Carbone

thought the combination should be done. Brian Kunzi said that would double what he had as far as prosecutors and he had yet to see the justification for 12, which he really wanted to know. He also did not know how partnering with the State Public Defender’s Office was an option as they did not have the staff or the litigation experience he had in his office. Mr. Kunzi was also concerned his office was not involved in this.

Commissioner Boskovich

felt more information was needed and there was no way the Board could decide this without it.

Commissioner Jabbour

asked if the Board only had three weeks to get this figured out.

Ms. Ryba

said the annual budget was due May 31, 2024, and that was the budget they received from the County stating they were going to budget $1.2 million for indigent defense services for next year. When she was at the last meeting the workload study was discussed. Meetings were held and notice was given for individuals that had questions about the process to be able to come in. It was hard when the Board questioned after the fact stating they did not agree when there was an opportunity to comment on this several months ago and no comments were received. Ms. Ryba reiterated this was a workload study that the State of Nevada had agreed to comply with and was giving each of the counties the opportunity to decide how they would comply with it. Changes to the budget had to be made moving forward if the County was going to keep it in-house as more than $1.2 million was needed. If the Board wanted her to take it to Interim Finance and ask for more funding for the action plan to assist, her deadline was June 26, 2024, but she had to have the information beforehand so she knew which direction the County would take. Ms. Ryba said the plan had to be implemented by November 1, 2024.

Mr. Kunzi

stated he was never provided with one document that indicated what the numbers were regarding this study, so he was not sure about an opportunity to respond to something he never received. He asked Ms. Ryba to provide it to him if it existed and she said she would be happy to.

Commissioner Carbone

did not think the public defenders were working 100%. If they did the County may not need 12. June 4, 2024 - — concerning compliance with National Center for State Courts (NCSC) Caseload Study pursuant to the Davis v. Nevada Settlement Consent Judgment.

Commissioner Cox

said someone needed to follow up with the public defender cases as it seemed they were putting ten minutes into a case and offering a plea bargain, If the plea bargain was not accepted there was no defense. She thought the program needed to be reviewed to have attorneys that worked just for the people they were hired for. John Bosta thought the District Attorney needed to stop adding charges to what people had already been charged with. Michael David Garcia said his cases in District and Justice Court were examples of what a failure was. People did not want plea bargains. They wanted a defense. He thought the Commissioners should take the help being offered. Erika Gerling said everything Commissioner Cox said was right on point. It was not a good thing for someone to meet for the first time the person representing them in the lobby of the courthouse for five minutes. Tim Bohannon agreed with the getting the information as to why 12 were needed.

Commissioner Jabbour

made a motion to continue this item to get the information requested; seconded by Commissioner Boskovich; 5 yeas.

Mr. Kunzi

pledged to sit down with staff to come up with different plans. June 4, 2024

Commissioner Jabbour

made a motion to adopt for Assessor’s Parcel Number 008-81- 03 Nye County Resolution No. 2024-20 directing the transfer of Nye County Treasurer trust property into the Town of Tonopah’s ownership for public purposes and funding $393.31 in delinquent tax from 21101 Tonopah General Fund; seconded by

Commissioner Carbone

; 5 yeas. DISTRICT ATTORNEY

Commissioner Carbone

made a motion to approve as written; seconded by

Commissioner Jabbour

; 5 yeas. SHERIFF

Commissioner Carbone

made a motion to approve the consumer display fireworks permits for items 12 and 13; seconded by Commissioner Jabbour; 5 yeas. June 4, 2024

Commissioner Carbone

made a motion to approve the consumer display fireworks permits for items 12 and 13; seconded by Commissioner Jabbour; 5 yeas. COUNTY MANAGER

Commissioner Carbone

made a motion to make the award to Paypoint HR LLC for $68,400.00 as the best and most responsive bid, and fund out of 10101 General Fund; seconded by Commissioner Jabbour; 5 yeas. June 4, 2024 PUBLIC WORKS

Commissioner Jabbour

made a motion to ratify the County Manager’s acceptance of the Airport Capital Improvement Plan data sheets and supporting information for Beatty, Gabbs and Tonopah; seconded by Commissioner Carbone; 5 yeas. The Board was in recess until 1:30 p.m. COUNTY MANAGER 15. For Possible Action Discussion and deliberation to approve, amend and approve or reject the Lease Agreement with George and LaRene Younghans for leased space at Beatty Airport. George and Lorene Younghans were present. Mrs. Younghans explained they were requesting the Board renew the lease at the Beatty Airport for the hangar they had.

Commissioner Jabbour

made a motion to approve; seconded by Commissioner Carbone; 5 yeas. June 4, 2024 PUBLIC WORKS

Commissioner Jabbour

made a motion to approve and amend Bid 2024-04, Beatty Medium Intensity Runway Lights, and award Bid No. 2024-04 in the amount of $531,450.00, and approve and amend the contract with the selected bidder of Mesquite Electric LLC as the most responsive, best and only bid, contingent on receiving the FAA grant, funding $493,234.38 to 10340 Grants and funding $33,215,62 to 10209 Airport Fund; seconded by Commissioner Carbone; 5 yeas. June 4, 2024

Commissioner Strickland

asked if the information provided on the last item was the same for this item. Honey Strozzi said yes, with the exception of the bid amount and the details within the bids received. Staff recommended approval of Mesquite Electric LLC.

Commissioner Carbone

made a motion to award Bid No. 2024-05 for the Tonopah Runway to Mesquite Electric LLC for the amount of $625,870.00, contingent on receiving the grant of $587,753.13 to 10340 Grants and fund $39,116.87 to 10209 Airport; seconded by Commissioner Jabbour; 5 yeas.

Commissioner Jabbour

asked how often Mr. Boiling or his assistant went out to check on things, to which Mr. Boiling responded every quarter. Helene Williams asked for a moratorium across the board on all hazardous materials to any landfill in Nye County, especially in this area, to protect Basin 162.

Commissioner Strickland

said to her knowledge this waste facility was outside of Basin 162 and did not impact that water and the hazardous waste received was generated by facilities within the County.

Mr. BoIling

added hazardous waste was generated in household stuff also. June 4, 2024 - — Nye County Solid Waste Management Plan (SWMP) 2022 Update.

Commissioner Strickland

mentioned household/hazardous waste collection events that had occurred in the past and said she would like to see that happen again.

Commissioner Carbone

made a motion to approve the Solid Waste Management Plan; seconded by Commissioner Jabbour; 5 yeas. PUBLIC PETITIONER

Commissioner Jabbour

said he had total buy-in with this.

Commissioner Cox

said she could support this very strongly. Tim Bohannon said it was important to continue selling this as he imagined the fight was not done and the County should prepare for the next round. Cameron Mayer, a resident of Shoshone, California, thanked the Commissioners for their direction and leadership on this issue. It was clear that any significant disruption to or degradation of the flows from Ash Meadows and adjacent lands that were hydrologically connected would negatively impact the communities, the wildlife, and the precious and equally fragile public lands. Vincent Congiu said he had extensively studied natural resources for four years at Pace University. He commended Mr. Voehl for an amazing speech and thanked him for the petition. Carolyn Allen said if lithium mining became a reality at Ash Meadows it would simply create another ghost town in Nevada. She thanked the Board for their support. John Bosta said the maps being presented had red around half of the town and blue around Ash Meadows as if it was a separate entity and not included in the Town of Amargosa. He said the Mining Act of 1862 did not include the lithium mining as proposed so the mining code would have to be revised to include the mining for Ash Meadows. Mr. Bosta thought it was important to realize that BLM could not give patents for mining since 1995 and could only do a lease, which he had not seen the elements of. He also said he had vested water rights in Ash Meadows which was not brought out in these documents. Pat Minshall said Amargosa Valley was totally in support of this, however, she thought the letter was very long and it would lose people. She suggested using succinct valid points with a synopsis of what it said. Erika Gerling said the Beatty Town Advisory Board was in support of the mission from the beginning and still was. She hoped the Commissioners supported it as well. June 4, 2024 - — approval of a letter in support of the proposed boundary area to be analyzed as part of an Administrative Mineral Withdrawal necessary to safeguard the groundwater resources of Ash Meadows National Wildlife Refuge, Amargosa Valley, and Death Valley National Park.

Commissioner Jabbour

explained the letter was long because it gave significant information which was requested.

Commissioner Jabbour

made a motion to approve a support letter; seconded by

Commissioner Carbone

; 5 yeas. At this time the Board went into closed session. COUNTY MANAGER 14. For Possible Action Discussion and deliberation to determine if the Risk Management Department should be eliminated and provide direction to staff to develop a plan for restructuring of responsibilities.

Commissioner Boskovich

said he decided to run for this job based on a few very simple principles. He believed transparency in government was needed; the government needed to be streamlined; the government needed to be more effective and cost effective; and everyone needed to get up each day and do the right thing whatever that happened to be. He wondered if Risk Management should be a standalone department, if litigation was managed properly under the auspices of Risk Management currently, and what cost savings could be realized by restructuring Risk Management.

Commissioner Boskovich

asked Brian Kunzi to expound on that.

Mr. Kunzi

said it was the Board’s prerogative to decide how the County would be organized and how services would be provided, although he had been frustrated with the litigation management side of this. He believed some restructuring should be considered as he felt the litigation management side ought to be under and report to him within the legal department. In other counties the Safety Officer and claims manager position were normally under Human Resources. Cassara Bell stated she found the suggestion to eliminate the Risk Management Department to be a gross misuse of power and a waste of resources. The time spent on this item specifically could have been allocated to a plethora of other items with at least an ounce of back-up to provide to the public since ultimately they foot the bill of the decisions that were made at these meetings. It seemed to Ms. Bell that the Risk Management Department and self-insurance was not fully understood. Since the information needed to see how this dissolution would affect the taxpayers was missing,

Ms. Bell

advised the taxpayers that the County’s insurance rates would increase and litigation filed against the County would increase without a Risk Manager to mitigate risk and actively fight against false claims or abuses of those insurances. She encouraged June 4, 2024 14. Cont’d. For Possible Action Discussion and deliberation to determine if the - — Risk Management Department should be eliminated and provide direction to staff to develop a plan for restructuring of responsibilities. the people to inquire how much of their funds had been and were currently paid out to claims made against Nye County before and after the creation of the Risk Manager role. She asked the Commissioners, specifically Commissioner Boskovich, why they would present this item to the public without first going to the department to look at exactly what this proposal was going to cost the constituents. Ms. Bell implored the Commissioners to do their due diligence before considering this hastily thrown together item. Tamie Pitman said Risk Management was an aspect of Human Resources. While Human Resources did not bring in revenue, a well run Human Resources Department would save money well beyond the salaries of the people in the department. Risk Management looked at things such as employee safety, auto accidents, potential for lawsuits, and property damage with a magnifying lens. Their goal was to eliminate or at the very least significantly reduce the risk and identify ways to save money. For the last three years the County had been self-insured, which had saved the hefty cost of the premiums. Ms. Pitman felt with the combined cost savings to date the department paid for itself and Nye County could not afford to not have a Risk Management Department. Tim Bohannon said he would like to see more transparency overall as the County went through the reorganization process, not just with Risk Management. He had not heard what the criteria of Risk Management was, what the expectations were, and if they were hitting those nor not. Matt Sadler noted Risk Management was part of the County’s budget. This move would show him the Commission was trying to hide things, to be inaccessible, and to be incompetent. Mr. Sadler hoped the Commissioners would not destroy an agency that objectively saved tax dollars and provided a level of transparency. He knew checks and balances were needed and thought Risk Management provided that. He also believed Jake Skinner was arguably one of the most qualified people for any position in the County and it would be a shame if the County lost him and the highly qualified Risk Management team. Dee Mounts asked who in the County would do the things the District Attorney’s Office could not do such as the OSHA 300 logs, the C-1IC-3 packets, the risk analysis, motor vehicle registrations, insurance, administration of the Hepatitis B program, the OSHA inspections, and the traffic study. She also wondered if it was a coincidence that Clark County was looking for a risk manager and Nye was trying to get rid of one. Ms. Mounts stated this was probably one of the worst agenda items she had seen in a long time and the County could not afford to not have risk management. Patrick Lazenby from the Department of Emergency Management said he had been on the Safety Committee for a little over five years and worked with Mr. Skinner and Brian June 4, 2024 14. Cont’d. For Possible Action Discussion and deliberation to determine if the - — Risk Management Department should be eliminated and provide direction to staff to develop a plan for restructuring of responsibilities. Bell for about the last year. He said this was the first time since he had been on the Safety Committee that they had actually been able to accomplish anything. Mr. Lazenby thought getting rid of the Risk Management Department was a bad idea. He did not see how the County could be self-insured without a Risk Manager as it was his job to try to keep the insurance costs down and prevent litigation before it happened. Ally Williams said eliminating Risk Management would not eliminate the need for rules or eliminate any lawsuits or claims. What it would do was increase the likeliness of insurance costs rising as well as added instability in departments that were already stretched too thin. There was a good structure and department in place that was already fully funded for FY2025 and now was not the time to be discussing whether or not Risk Management should be eliminated. Risk Manager Jake Skinner stated this blindsided them as just a week before they received this information the budget was funded so they felt they were in a good position to move forward. He understood from Commissioner Boskovich that Risk Management may be a part of the budget problems because of the personnel, but they were spending money on personnel to save money. He had worked hard as Risk Manager to save millions of dollars and that had happened. His department considered the taxpayer dollars as sacred money. His department did not have overtime and did not splurge. Another savings would be in terms of the professional capacity because the duties of four staff members had been consolidated into the Risk Manager role. Mr. Skinner then reviewed the safety numbers noting the County was 42% better this year than last, which Safety Officer Brian Bell had a lot to do with. Mr. Skinner’s belief was the department would grow and he thought the Commissioners should probably start getting used to that idea. The only thing the County was not self-insured for right now was medical health benefits for the employees and he wanted to bring that in-house like Clark County and other places had done. He had began discussions with the County’s broker about possibly going in-house with the health insurance to save millions. The County would have to hire people, but Mr. Skinner thought the taxpayers would be okay with that if the County saved millions. The hard truth was the County’s insurance liabilities were going to increase and the State was downloading a lot of obligations that the County did have local control over but had to pay for. Mr. Skinner said the most important message he was trying to send to the County’s carriers was that the Risk Management Department was a stable program. This literally dropped the bomb on his negotiations at the 11th hour when tomorrow he was boarding a plane to go to the Risk Managers Conference in Nashville to meet with those same carriers to convince them that Nye County was a good bet. Mr. Skinner said he was open to figuring out how Nye County could be more efficient and effective as an organization, which he believed was probably the primary desire of Commissioner Boskovich by bringing this item forward, but he did not think this was the way to do it. He would love to sit down with

Commissioner Boskovich

or any member of the Board to discuss how a more June 4, 2024 14. Cont’d. For Possible Action Discussion and deliberation to determine if the - — Risk Management Department should be eliminated and provide direction to staff to develop a plan for restructuring of responsibilities. organizational approach to the problem could be taken. He would also love to have a conversation with Mr. Kunzi about how they could work together better.

Commissioner Carbone

asked Mr. Skinner if he believed any kind of restructuring of the department would be detrimental to the success of Risk Management.

Mr. Skinner

said that would depend on what that looked like. He noted they were newly minted and still trying to figure things out a little, and he foresaw an expansion.

Commissioner Jabbour

pointed out the agenda item was if the Risk Management Department should be eliminated and if so provide direction to staff to develop a plan for restructuring of responsibilities.

Commissioner Strickland

asked Mr. Skinner if he was to restructure this what it would look like.

Mr. Skinner

said if he had an opportunity to look at some models and bring back something if it was assigned to him to do he would. However, he thought it would be wise for the Commissioners to maintain the current model and resist divvying it up because in the future the Commissioners were going to want to bring it back together again because they would learn that this was actually the better model. Beth Borysewich said it seemed the departments did not talk if there was an issue and suggested the directors hold monthly meetings to discuss issues. She did not agree with getting rid of a department because one Commissioner thought there was an issue.

Ms. Borysewich

thought there should be an investigation as well as meetings held and then eliminating a department looked at. Nathan Simmons from Stroker Insurance stated they fully supported Mr. Skinner and the amazing things that he was doing for the County. Structuring a risk management program was incredibly difficult and came with lots of trials and tribulations. As Nye County grew there would be some of those trials and tribulations. Mr. Simmons stated the structure that Nye County was putting together was second to none and was one of the preferred structures that carriers liked to see. As a whole the path that Nye County was on moving from an insurance to risk management perspective was incredibly positive and Mr. Simmons hoped it continued down that path. Samantha Tackett said the Nevada Commission on Ethics training which she administered talked a lot about how actions, behaviors, and things done as public officials could be perceived as unethical. For her as a taxpayer this was one of those times. She did not think the Commissioners fully understood the impact this decision would have on staff. This was clearly ill thought out and ill prepared to have reached an June 4, 2024 14. Cont’d. For Possible Action Discussion and deliberation to determine if the - — Risk Management Department should be eliminated and provide direction to staff to develop a plan for restructuring of responsibilities. agenda, and it seemed highly personal. The fact that budgets were being talked about after the Commission just approved the budgets showed Mrs. Tackett how little the Commissioners understood the budget process or how important risk management was. She recommended this item not be passed. If restructuring was in order, it should be done in the proper way, not in a public setting that was highly embarrassing and highly personal. Melissa Godfrey thought the Commissioners should have spoken with Mr. Skinner before this item was brought forward. She thought he was the right person for the job and the department had done a lot of good for the County.

Commissioner Cox

explained where this originally started from and how things went sideways. POOL/PACT had been a problem from day one. It was started for the smaller counties that could not afford the big premiums that were being charged to larger counties. Although Nye was the largest county, it got caught up in it because it had a small population. Over the years POOL/PACT went from wanting thousands of dollars for deductibles to millions of dollars and that was what this was about. It was not about Mr. Skinner or staff. Commissioner Cox said it took her a long time to convince people that the County needed to be self-insured to save money. She did not know how it got to a Risk Management Department in the first place when it was supposed to be done in-house, which was what she thought the County was all this time.

Commissioner Cox

said she wanted Nye County and the Town of Pahrump to be in- house self-insured. Her idea was never to make this Risk Management Department and then have it mushroom into what it had going from one employee to now apparently four employees and more employees down the road. Commissioner Cox referred to the issue with the Sheriff’s Auxiliary. She received an e-mail from Mr. Skinner who said he was open to going to other carriers and asking them what they thought. Commissioner Cox said that was an issue because there was no need for other carriers if the County was self-insured. Commissioner Cox felt this department needed to be eliminated and the process started over. She would like to see it put under the District Attorney and possibly the Human Resources Department.

Commissioner Strickland

stated she was absolutely not for this. She thought the Commission was moving in the wrong direction when talking about getting rid of this department. She thought the Risk Manager could work closer with the District Afforney to get improvements done, but she did not agree with eliminating the department when it was in the development stages and would improve over time. She did not know how the Commission thought that all of the moving parts could be done without the department. The only thing Commissioner Strickland could come up with for this item was all litigation went to District Attorney and the employees in the department would go to Human Resources, but she wondered how that made sense. June 4, 2024 14. Cont’d. For Possible Action Discussion and deliberation to determine if the - — Risk Management Department should be eliminated and provide direction to staff to develop a plan for restructuring of responsibilities.

Commissioner Carbone

said he sat down with the folks in Mr. Skinner’s organization to understand what they did and to make sure he understood all of the issues. He felt Mr. Skinner needed to be in front of the Board more and that was kind of the conversation they had. He needed to start presenting more data so the Commissioners knew what he was doing and what the savings were. Mr. Skinner also needed to work a lot closer with the District Attorney’s Office because he could not litigate anything if he did not have the information. Commissioner Carbone also did not see the reason for the change yet or even a change in the future. As to being self-insured, Commissioner Carbone said the County was self-insured. The last piece of the self-insured process was the medical. If the department was dissolved then Mr. Skinner would not fly to where he needed to go to do that negotiation. If the Board cancelled the program and the organization the County would lose the opportunity to take care of the last piece.

Commissioner Cox

stated the County needed an insurance department, not a Risk Management Department.

Commissioner Boskovich

said the District Attorney just spent 14 minutes explaining why it would be smart to do this, which he would not ignore.

Commissioner Strickland

clarified the District Attorney stated the litigation should be going through him instead of paying outside litigators. He did not say get rid of Risk Management. He said they needed to communicate more.

Mr. Kunzi

stated he did not tell this Board to do anything. He had concerns with how to handle the litigation cases that needed to be addressed. Risk management did not have to exist as it did today and changes to that structure could be made if needed, but

Mr. Kunzi

was not suggesting the vote be to eliminate the department today as that was not his purview.

Commissioner Boskovich

made a motion to dissolve the Risk Management Department and provide direction to staff to come up with a plan for the restructuring of the responsibilities of that department; seconded by Commissioner Jabbour.

Commissioner Strickland

asked what would happen to the employees in the department.

Commissioner Cox

thought that would be up to the County Manager as they worked for him.

Commissioner Strickland

asked who would do the duties of risk management. June 4, 2024 14. Cont’d. For Possible Action Discussion and deliberation to determine if the - — Risk Management Department should be eliminated and provide direction to staff to develop a plan for restructuring of responsibilities.

Commissioner Cox

suggested having the District Attorney and staff get the restructuring done in 30 days.

Commissioner Strickland

wondered why direction was not given to staff to develop a plan rather than dissolve.

Commissioner Carbone

congratulated the students for graduating. He reminded people that they may have opted out of receiving a ballot which meant they would not get a paper ballot in the mail have and would to go to their polling place to vote instead. Based on the numbers the turnout was very low so far at 16%.

Commissioner Boskovich

said it was indicated that he refused to speak to Jake Skinner. That was absolutely untrue and he talked to Mr. Skinner last week.

Commissioner Strickland

adjourned the meeting. APPROVED this ATTEST: Of ,2024. Chair/