June 2, 2026

Voice Ahear it at 0:02:22

Item two, general public comment, up to three minute time limit per person. Public comment will be for all matters off the agenda. Public comment must be limited to matters that are within the jurisdiction and control of the Board of County Commissioners. Action will not be taken on the matters considered during this period until specifically included on an agenda item as an action item.

Voice Bhear it at 0:02:45

Thank you for that. Come on down to prompt, please.

Voice Chear it at 0:02:55

Good morning, commissioners. Patricia Robb, R-O-B-B. The parable I read, May 19th, regards ordinary people like us having answers that others may sometimes feel they have, but in reality do not. We want to believe concern exists to fix the zombie lot crisis instead of waiting decades more. Sometimes ordinary people help bring solutions. After so much research, the owners, myself and others have done over the last year and a half, it leads us to believe such findings have not been researched by the county. Without a pathway of use, the parcels remain unusable despite tax obligations, which really benefits no one. Did you read through the packet I gave you last time, the May 19th meeting? Did you read that? I see no response. Wow. Okay. The excuses versus reality section shows there is nothing standing in the way to allow a pathway of use. The only thing stopping it is not doing anything to fix it. The SEL overlay can preserve existing VR zoning while providing relief where water and sewer service is unavailable and not reasonably expected. It can do so through special use permits, conditional use permits, variances, or other county approved methods. After all, land use is decided by the county, not by PUCN or Great Basin Water Company tariffs. Parumps. Protecting our land and aquifer through conservation is something that matters to Parump. A pilot area not only allows real data results but may also benefit everyone else especially if a data center comes to town and uses up all the water we rely on. We just may need these owners to show us what works then. The working group committee's final report to the water board

Voice Dhear it at 0:05:04

Board provides no solutions. It serves as a policy protection for the county only. There is no state statute denying anyone their right to have water. The State Division of Water Resources letter and NDEP's email acknowledge that alternative utilities can be explored and used if the county authorizes it, as long as it complies with safe and sanitary systems.

Voice Chear it at 0:05:31

There are many ways to get conserved water and even reuse it. Rainwater capture and cloud seeding also helps. It's time to move forward with regulations that reflect the reality on the ground. Thank you.

Voice Ahear it at 0:05:46

Thank you. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Ehear it at 0:05:49

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Dhear it at 0:05:56

Yes, good morning. Amy Nelson, N-E-L-S-O-N. It's been an interesting year for campaigning, and it's also interesting to see certain people and who they are. People are really out there voting, and it's going to be a year of who the people want. And not just people that are advertising about themselves and how good they are or other people in their category. So you're going to see who we, what we'd like to see and what we approve of at the polls. And I hope everybody else gets out there and votes. And it's early go, but get out there and vote. We need your vote everywhere, no matter who you're going to go vote for. So good luck to everybody. Thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 0:07:02

Thank you. Come on down, Lorraine.

Voice Dhear it at 0:07:06

Oh, you know me by face and name, Lorraine, G-I-L-B-E-R-T. Good morning, commissioners. Last week, the Water District Board approved the Working Groups Utility Challenge Lot report, despite concerns raised which affect property owners, our town, and our aquifer. We do not believe that report should be treated as final word on the zombie lot report.

Voice Ghear it at 0:07:32

lot crisis. That's why I didn't sign off on that report. The report states only three lawful pathways for water exist for residential use, but the state acknowledges that hauled water is allowed under Nevada law and that local governments can consider alternative pathways and zonings. Yes, you can. The report recommended exploring seasonal use concepts which clearly shows the matter is not closed and it will not be closed till owners are given a pathway of use as a solution other than waiting for them to just get tired default and have those properties go back up time and time and time again for auction that does nothing for the community community and I know that the goal is to hold on to those lots for a community well much later after their loss when the aquifer has also

Voice Hhear it at 0:08:41

declined even more. That is not a solution for taxpaying owners. It's considered to be even more taking, taking up land. The report provides no evidence, no evidence whatsoever that modern alternatives, pilot programs, conservation-minded occupancy models, or regulatory flexibility were seriously explored, although homework was given to that committee. To find other counties who have implemented tiny home ordinances using alternative utilities, yet those findings that prove that this has been done were ignored. Ignored. Many counties have made a way for people to live with alternatives which is desperately needed at a time when housing crises are unaffordable for so many and water is a concern as an issue for all of us, all of us here. We can believe our aquifer is unlimited. It is a natural resource. None of us control it. Before the county narrows the future of thousands of small parcels primarily toward consolidation and

Voice Fhear it at 0:10:10

you. Sam, anybody on the phone, please.

Voice Ehear it at 0:10:13

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ihear it at 0:10:20

Hey everybody, this is Seth Suarez Savage, C-O-R-Y-S-E-W-I-C-H. I was going to be there, but I couldn't get transportation. So anyway, I want to know if we have any information on the groom tax, the $88,000 that kind of walked away and how much we've recovered of that. That's kind of important because it's from money.

Voice Dhear it at 0:10:46

and I'd like to make sure we get all of our money. Also, I'm having issues with the PDFs that are getting published for the agenda. When I go to print them, I get half a page, and I don't know why. And there's this new thing that pops up on the right-hand side that says Nye County and a whole bunch of text under it. So I don't know if you've changed and upgraded your Acrobat.

Voice Ihear it at 0:11:13

Blinder or not. So I'm just wanting to let you guys know and you'll be hearing from me throughout the day. Thanks.

Voice Fhear it at 0:11:21

Thanks Beth. I've actually got that same problem. Come on down in front please.

Voice Ghear it at 0:11:28

Good morning, commissioners. Cindy Lake, LAKE, Pahrump, Nevada. It seems like there are a lot of folks here today who want to talk about data centers. They use a lot of water.

Voice Ahear it at 0:11:38

You have to wait till that item. I'm so sorry.

Voice Ghear it at 0:11:41

No, no, no. That's not what I'm talking about. I want to say that we have 7,000 people who own property and pay taxes on it, and they're not allowed to use them. They can't get water. So it's a weird dichotomy that we're all talking about data centers, but nobody's putting the zombie lots on the agenda. So that's what I'd like to see happen instead of coming up here every couple of weeks and talking, beg and plead to address this problem and just put it on the agenda and let's get that fixed.

Voice Fhear it at 0:12:15

Thank you Sam anybody on the phone please

Voice Ehear it at 0:12:19

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Dhear it at 0:12:28

My name is Williams, W-I-L-L-I-A-M-S. Thank you for taking my call. Sorry I can't be there. I'd like to speak to item 22 and that it be removed. It's interfering with the elections. And the people have a right to have this removed so that they can vote and that no candidate get to speak under this item. Thank you so much.

Voice Fhear it at 0:12:56

This is on the agenda, Chair.

Voice Bhear it at 0:12:58

I didn't hear what item she was even referencing, but okay. Thank you. Come on down and prompt, please. Thank you, Commissioner.

Voice Jhear it at 0:13:08

Hi, my name is Rhonda Mendenhall, M-E-N-D-E-N-H-A-L-L, and I am here, I am here, I'm a concerned member of the community, and I am here today to speak on the resource officers at the school. They are there to protect our children, and they are a safe and friendly face for our students. Students trust them. The officers are just not a guard. They are their mentors, coaches, helpers for our students, staff, and our family members. Everyone knows they are there to protect us. When they're in danger, when we are in danger of our school, the officers there are there as a place to go. Regular sheriffs do not have the time to just sit down with students in a regular, if a regular car pulls up with sirens and lights on emergency, it's a crisis. A lot of fear and anxiety are in our schools. If we lose the school resource officer. We'll have to call Sheriff's Department to help. Regular officers are very busy with regular calls. They create dangerous and delays. For example, first, if a child is being abused at home, the school might be forced to send a child back into the home and wait for the officer to respond. Second, School staff do not have the same rights to search the bags as the resource officer. They should be sitting there in the main office until the regular sheriff shows up. This is not going to save us money at all by getting rid of the officer at the schools. It will probably cost us money because while they're on their calls, we are waiting, the people are waiting for them to show up. So it's a regular, we're stuck in dealing with schools and delays. Who will be there to protect us? If the officers have to go to the schools. Thank you, and please save our officers.

Voice Fhear it at 0:15:48

Thank you very much. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Ehear it at 0:15:53

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Khear it at 0:16:01

Good morning, Commissioners. How are y'all doing? So I'd like to begin with the first principles, because

Voice Bhear it at 0:16:12

Can you please spell

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your last name?

Voice Khear it at 0:16:18

Yes. Bruce Johnson, J-O-H-N-S-O-N.

Voice Bhear it at 0:16:20

Thank you, sir.

Voice Khear it at 0:16:23

Yes, sir. Perhaps the government is the protection and preservation of all personal rights, private property, public liberty, public trust, and with that comes fiduciary responsibility. The duty to exercise authority carefully, transparently, and within proper limits. And the Nevada Constitution places political power inherently in the people, meaning government exists as a servant and steward, not separate from the community it represents. And I'll anchor that with scripture. He has used the old man what is good. And what does the Lord require of thee but to do justice and to love mercy and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6.8. Those are practical standards for the exercise of authority. Now, does that matter today? Because across many of the discussions taking place in this county, the larger pattern is beginning to emerge. The residents are expressing concern about communication, transparency, cooperation, and the difficulty of obtaining clear answers or workable remedies. We see discussions involving expanding code enforcement structure, special assessments, and to groundwater bases. large-scale energy and infrastructure projects, water usage concerns, budget deficits, and increasing administrative complexity, all occurring at the same time. And naturally the people begin asking important questions. Are long-term impacts being fully considered? Is public participation occurring early enough to meaningfully shape outcomes? and our authority and resources being managed in a way that truly affects long-term interest in the community. In my own experience involving the Oak Ridge matter, and I'm going to keep bringing it up until we can get some remedy on it, because I know you guys want that just as bad as the property owner. So let's see what we can do on that public works. And Deborah. I've seen firsthand how difficult things become when communication breaks down and there is no clearly defined path to remedy involving county easements, dumping issues, which is a hotbed out there and I can't get a single one of you to talk to me about it and come up with an action plan. And that creates a lot of issues for itself and the county. Those kinds of experiences affect public confidence. Public confidence

Voice Khear it at 0:19:02

because government functions best when the people.

Voice Fhear it at 0:19:07

Oh, thank you. Thank you, sir. Come

Voice Lhear it at 0:19:10

So down. I have somebody here in Tonopah.

Voice Fhear it at 0:19:12

Oh, come on down, Tonopah. State and spell your last name, please.

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Matthew Winterhawk, W-I-N-T-E-R-H-A-W-K.

Voice Mhear it at 0:19:23

You know, I'm here to ask Nye County to set the tone for the rest of Nevada as Reno did yesterday. No data centers are needed in Pahrump

Voice Fhear it at 0:19:31

sorry, but you've got to wait. That's an agenda item. We probably agree with you, but you've got to wait.

Voice Mhear it at 0:19:38

Oh, I apologize. Yeah, I'll be here until that All is heard.

Voice Fhear it at 0:19:41

right, thanks. I'll get to it very quickly. Come on down, sir.

Voice Nhear it at 0:19:50

Ron Mortensen, M-O-R-T-I-N-S-O-N. First off, again, I'd like to thank Bruce DeBoer for forcing a vote on IPMC. That's about,

Voice Nhear it at 0:20:02

okay, and so I want to talk about a public records request failure. I put in a public records request for chipping fee information, and it was supposed to be. Sent to me by May 6th, I'm guessing you haven't sent it because you don't want to be held accountable for the dumping feed monies you've collected so far. Then I got the fact that I'm a crime victim in this community and our DA still has done nothing concerning my victim's rights regarding the crime that's been committed against me. Zombie lots. So you can stop the perpetuation of the zombie lot problem by stop selling zombie lots that would be a good first start. You're taking money from people and they don't get any use out of the thing that they paid money for that's kind of criminal to me.

Voice Khear it at 0:20:54

And finally, I want to see that this Board of Commissioners preserves my rights to vote for public administrators. Thank you very much.

Voice Fhear it at 0:21:02

That's also an item. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please? That's three in one talk.

Voice Fhear it at 0:21:09

Come on down and prompt, please.

Voice Ghear it at 0:21:16

Good morning, Commissioners.

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in the audience. My name is Carol Jones, J-O-N-E-S. I have a very simple question. I would like to know if there has been a recent, current, independent study of our aquifer, our water system. Yes or no? You can't answer that?

Voice Lhear it at 0:21:46

But I'll talk I'll talk to you on our break Sam

Voice Ohear it at 0:21:48

Okay, thank you.

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anybody on the phone please

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Come on down impromptu

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Hi, my name is Paul Greenwald. It's G-R-E-E-N-A-W-L-T.

Voice Mhear it at 0:22:07

I'm a resident here, and I'm here to request that the board direct the Regional Planning Commission to schedule a public administrative review hearing regarding the conditional use permit granted to MetaWaste. So we all know that the facility was approved for a local...

Voice Bhear it at 0:22:07

I'm a resident here, and I'm here to request that the board direct the Regional Planning Commission to schedule a public administrative review hearing regarding the conditional use permit granted to Meadow Waste. So we all know that the facility was approved for local solid waste processing, but the community evaluated the project based on a specific statement which was that 60% of the incoming waste would be processed and captured as a recycled fuel commodity. So while the town was focused on local land use approvals, a completely contradictory state air permit was being processed, which has, in case anybody doesn't know, been approved already. And in that permit, we can see that the facility produces zero commercial commodities, not bio-char or any kind of fuel product. Instead, the 60% of volatile mass is being mixed with the air, ignited in a secondary or what they're calling a thermal oxidizer and being directly vented into the basin.

Voice Phear it at 0:23:10

To hide that, the written email trail shows that the application included information from their paramount California facility, SCACMD facility ID 164820, stating that it uses the same Coronalux machine which has been rebranded, I believe, as the Vulcan. Don't quote me on that. I'd like to submit if possible page 973 of the Federal Register, volume eighty four, number fifty two. Uh the document contains a binding formal determination by the E_P_A_ regarding this exact chronic system. Um whether it's exactly the same or has any modifications is a little unclear. I have a uh FOIA request on that. Uh but essentially because it mixes the waste gases with air and ignites any second and third chambers. The EPA classifies this as a commercial medical waste incinerator. These recycling narrative to obtain local land use footprint while using a machine that the federal government legally classifies as an incinerator. This represents material undeniable departure from the land use scope this county approved. So the request here is to direct the RPC to schedule a public administrative review hearing and force this applicant answer for putting a federally designated commercial incinerator in the valley. Can I hand these to someone?

Voice Lhear it at 0:24:34

Yes. Sam, maybe? Thank you, sir. Come on down in Pahrump, Diane.

Voice Qhear it at 0:24:48

Diane Southworth, S-O-U-T-H-W-O-R-T-H. I'm going to start out with some good news.

Voice Chear it at 0:24:55

If you remember DJ Mills, he used to work at the Nye Community Coalition, a very good worker. He is now vice president of Living Free, which I happen to think is one of the best rehabilitation facilities in the state. I'm a little prejudiced, but there it is. Just got certified to be able to help people out of detention than to get them rehabilitated.

Voice Ohear it at 0:25:20

So I thought that it was an important thing for people to know what a good program that is. Number two is not so pleasant. Mr. Vane, I had to ban you from my Facebook. I was tired of you denigrating another commissioner. I don't approve of that. It lowers and demeans you as a person and is very uncooth.

Voice Chear it at 0:25:44

I hope that in the future you will finally get on a liaison committee and do your job here instead of just picking up trash. Thirdly, I want people to know that I want you to get out and vote. Everybody who can vote and is eligible to vote should vote. And I hope that before they vote they look over their candidates, make sure that they're going to be the ones that are going to be helpful to the town of Prompt and the county of Nye and vote for the best person. Thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 0:26:19

Thanks, Diane. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Fhear it at 0:26:24

Come on down, sir.

Voice Rhear it at 0:26:28

All right, so John Panjenjejo, J-U-N-E, really nice to see you guys again. Good morning. Just kind of wanted to give a little bit of a mental health slash primary care update. So one thing that we've been working on with a little committee, a little team is an FQHC and trying to bring that to Nye County and Pahrump. And the purpose of that would be basically to give, you know, very discounted. healthcare services as well as mental health to the residents here. So we've, in terms of where we are in the process, I'm working with Rita Vaswani, who's the head of the Chamber of Commerce in Clark County, as well as our very own Apostle Rich Lavelle. And essentially what we're doing is taking something that we've already done in Clark County and trying to replicate it over here. So we've already We've done several steps. We've already credentialed with several of the major insurance companies here. Really the last or one of the last steps is to find like the best location possible to have like an outpatient facility. But we're still working on that and hope to see this as an agenda item soon, but really passionate about delivering good health care anywhere that people need it. Not really a partisan issue at all in my opinion. Yeah, just wanted to kind of lend my two cents and say I really appreciate your time. Thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 0:27:48

Thank you. Thank you. Come on down, Daryl.

Voice Shear it at 0:27:57

Daryl Lackey, L-A-C-K-E-Y. I want to talk about loyalty. Today's a great day, Election Day, and we shuffle the Republicans. The only problem is the Republicans are loyal to the Republican, what they're told from up above. Republican Party, just like Democrat Party, they're run from the top and funded from the bottom. funded by fear that that other guy might get in there but it's all under the new world order as long as the republicans they'll just do what they're supposed to do for them not for us there's no loyalty to claim loyalty when you're running for office and a dream without the team yeah but what team you guys say you can't talk when you're out of here you know i don't know what team you're talking about but anyway I want to tell you about, I go to California a lot and I see the Mexican news, it's illegal for Mexican reporters to sell something that's not the truth. But here, every news channel has an entertainment license. There is no implication at all for the lies that they tell, which is about everything. You know, recently they talked about an exploded petroleum distilled. Well, what really happened was three ships of the United States were commandeered by Iran and they stopped and put the Iranian flag on them and sent them underway and then Trump bombed them all. All right, get your head around that for a minute. There's so many things that I've learned from watching true TV, TV where it's against the law for them to lie. So let's go back to the problems that we have. We have the zombie lives. We have all the different things. You get in there, but I ran into a guy at karaoke a couple weeks ago, and he's here at Logistics for a solar company. They paid him over $20,000 to come here and just become familiar. And he's into logistics, how to move things, how to transport things in and out of a place, how to make a project happen. And we know you can't get campaign contributions from these companies. here we all running again running again like i said before i think that the number of terms is a multiplier for the corruption level you know your first term you're running you learn how you know what you can get away with you know and then the older ones are talking oh yeah that's how you do it right and we know you're meeting on the side everywhere with everything Everything. You just want it in. The whole, whatever the New World Order wants, that's what you're doing. No loyalty to the people. I've been involved with vote recounts here in this county, and the voting roads are just torn here and torn there. Without a turnstile, you'll never have a true election here. It's all Republican, but it doesn't matter, Republican, Democrat, all I ask is the same thing. Same thing, and it ain't us. So as long as people are loyal to those parties, they call them parties, so it makes it sound fun and harmless.

Voice Fhear it at 0:31:00

Thank you. Sam do we have anybody on the phone please?

Voice Fhear it at 0:31:07

Come on down and perum, Linda.

Voice Chear it at 0:31:11

Good morning, it's Linda Clark, C-L-A-R-K.

Voice Dhear it at 0:31:15

Good morning, wonderful people.

Voice Chear it at 0:31:17

Okay, today... We get a grammar lesson. Aren't you excited? I know you're waiting for your new t-shirts and hopefully I'll have them next meeting. My daughter helped me with them and she's a graphic artist but she lives in South Carolina so I have to kind of wait for her schedule. Okay, the thing I want to talk about today, a lot of things but I only have three minutes and only limited to this subject in this department right now. So what I want to say is my last t-shirt told you to be nice and just say no. That didn't happen and we see what happened because it didn't happen where we were in depth because you didn't know how to say no. You just kept saying yes on everything. Isn't that true people? Yes. Okay, my, yeah, shake your head, Deborah. Okay, so now what I want to give you is a grandma lesson, and I found this out this week, and it's very simple. It's the word no. It is a self-explanatory word that doesn't need any other things to go with it. It is a sentence in its own. So I want you to pay attention to that word, no, with everything that you look at today and in the future for the benefit of our community. No. Thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 0:32:44

Thank you. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Thear it at 0:32:52

Hello, Commissioners. Dwight Lilley,

Voice Thear it at 0:32:54

LA Oil. Do you have another person?

Voice Ahear it at 0:32:56

Okay, sorry. Go ahead, Dwight. Sorry.

Voice Thear it at 0:33:00

Okay, Dwight Lilly, L-I-L-L-Y. In God we trust. I like that up there. And I'm trusting that you guys can right some wrongs here. Item 12 I ask you to remove from the agenda today because it's interfering with our election. Room tax, $80,000 are brought up. Yes, we need that $80,000. Does it need to be swept under the rug? There's been radiation reported in Crystal Springs outside Amaragosa Valley. I'd like the commissioner to report back to the public about the findings on that. People are up there right now with Geiger counters. The Justice Court NRS Chapter 4 is being violated every day that the court meets here. I'd like you to look into that, and I can meet with you on that if you want. It has to do with counties under 100,000 people. And I'm also looking at five commissioners, but the NRS says we should have three commissioners for a county of under 100,000, so I don't know how that's flipped through. But the main item I want to talk about, if those aren't made enough, is, as you know, I had a public information request in the sheriff's office providing me with the information. It confirmed everything I thought, that the district attorney is not properly doing his job. And I'm asking the commissioners to look into the state about removing the district attorney and have the state appoint a new district attorney for Knight County. There was a case actually was a public dispute. There was a protest yesterday at the courthouse about a Mr. Walsh that was convicted about 14 years ago and sentenced to life in prison without parole. Judge Kim Wanker, in her statement to the Supreme Court on that case, stated that she would like to have him paroled because... The district attorney has now given plea deals to serious felony drug cases and she didn't feel it was fair that this person spent the rest of their life in jail. So and I agree so we have a situation where the district attorney is plea dealing, cutting people loose that are serious criminals and that's not justice in Nye County. That's the aberration of justice. So that's all I got to say today. But look into the radiation it's a serious issue. I don't know if we have mitigation or migration of radiation come to the test site but that is a serious situation. Thank you.

Voice Ahear it at 0:35:22

Thanks Sam, did we find anybody on the phone please?

Voice Ehear it at 0:35:26

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Dhear it at 0:35:32

Good morning. This is Molly Valdez, V-A-L-D-E-Z. I am calling in to second everything that others have already said regarding the utility challenge laws.

Voice Ihear it at 0:35:44

I'm asking for a path forward. I'm asking for a review of the restrictive VR zoning. There has to be a solution. There is always a solution. Make your constituents a priority. You can't just leave people stuck. Please put it on the agenda. Thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 0:36:00

Thank you for that. Come on down and prompt, sir.

Voice Lhear it at 0:36:09

Now for the lighter side of uh this morning's meeting,

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go. Her name is spelled

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N_O_Y_E_S_ I give a name is Michael.

Voice Thear it at 0:36:17

Let's get a little closer to the microphone. This is a public announcement. Our church, the Seventh-day Adventist Church, located at 477 Black, North Black Road on the corner of Gemini, will be having our VBS. That's Vacation Bible School. We hope for those who have young children and or grandchildren all are invited. Again, we'll be starting at 6 o'clock on June.

Voice Lhear it at 0:36:43

The 8th, that's on Monday, it'll go through the week until the end of the week. Again, a little update on this. The program is just not a few sing songs. These are daily lesson plans here. We have refreshments for the kids as well as, like I said, lesson plans. We also have games and stuff for the kids and organizing. I know the churches hold them too and I hope they get an opportunity to come in and let people know. It's a great place for the kids. Also, too, our leadership is also Sterling certified. For those who don't know what that is, these people are trained, also background checked, so therefore your kids are left in capable and competent hands so we can take care of them. Again, any adults invited to sit in the back and enjoy the program, too, and you can also try the snacks, too, as well. Okay, thank you very much, and we appreciate your time.

Voice Thear it at 0:37:34

It's our time this morning.

Voice Fhear it at 0:37:36

Thank you very much, sir. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Fhear it at 0:37:41

Come on down, Dr. Tom.

Voice Shear it at 0:37:49

Good morning, everyone. My name is Tom Waters, W-A-T-E-R-S. I'd like to talk about Pahrump Valley Academy, a charter school that's starting in August of 2027.

Voice Ahear it at 0:38:00

The state of Nevada is still saying that they're asking the question, does Pahrump really want a charter school? So we're looking for assistance. We have an open house plan for June 15th. That's on a Monday from 4 to 6.30 at Valley Electric Conference Center. We're inviting everyone to come out and show that support for this upcoming charter school. We need as much help as possible with that.

Voice Thear it at 0:38:26

The other thing is they like letters, and we need letters by June 11th if any organization or individual would like to write a letter and say that they support the upcoming charter school. This is something that we have to give to the state of Nevada, again to show that people want the charter school here.

Voice Fhear it at 0:38:48

It's a college preparatory charter school. I think everybody is interested in it, but we've got to show that interest. And that'll be done by letters from organizations or individuals. You can make the letter out to whom it may concern. And if you can get the letters to me, I'll make sure that it's handled by June 11th and make sure that they receive that information.

Voice Lhear it at 0:39:10

Again, the open house is going to be at the Valley Electric Conference Centre on Monday, June fifteenth, and we're inviting everyone to come out. It's gonna be from four to six thirty. Uh we're inviting everyone to come out and just show that we want the charter school here. And I thank you for all of your support.

Voice Fhear it at 0:39:31

Thank you, sir. Hi Tammy, come on down.

Voice Qhear it at 0:39:40

Tammy Pittman, P-I-T-M-A-N. So far as charter schools, I think trade schools are where the money's at these days. College degrees are getting replaced by AI. But anyway, that's not what I came to talk about. The wide array rezone from VR20 to VR10. There's a requirement to post backup for a minimum of three days before the meeting. But now we don't do it a minimum before we do it right at three days before the meeting, which is not good for the citizens who are supposed to give our feedback to the planning department and we're doing it without all the information. I think that that's really sort of stinky. So I think that we really need to start planning and putting back up in the. online before the actual three days before the meeting so that those of us who are providing information can make informed decisions. Thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 0:40:35

Thank you. Come on down and prompt, sir.

Voice Fhear it at 0:40:46

Thank you. Good morning, Chair and Commissioners. My name is Chris Valley.

Voice Phear it at 0:40:51

I am a District 5 resident.

Voice Fhear it at 0:40:53

Can you spell it for the record,

Voice Fhear it at 0:40:54

I'm so sorry,

Voice Phear it at 0:40:58

So I'd like to speak briefly on items 6 and 7.

Voice Fhear it at 0:41:02

Can you wait till those items?

Voice Phear it at 0:41:05

I can wait.

Voice Fhear it at 0:41:07

You don't really have a choice, but thank you anyway. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Ehear it at 0:41:15

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Shear it at 0:41:21

Hello, Commissioners. Michael David Garcia, G-A-R-C-I-A. Can you hear me?

Voice Ahear it at 0:41:26

Go ahead, sir.

Voice Shear it at 0:41:29

Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Basically want to really define what your constitutional oath means, you know, especially that pledge, no liberty and justice for all. For six years I've been a father here and I've witnessed firsthand officers and badges and guns going outside of policies and procedures and meeting with our children in a school closet. The unlawful removal of a child, the DA refuses to prosecute, internal affairs refuses to acknowledge a passage.

Voice Uhear it at 0:41:52

Outside of policies and procedures and meeting with our children in a school closet, the unlawful removal of a child. The DA refuses to prosecute internal affairs, refuses to acknowledge the patterns and tendencies of Captain Berkowitz. I've been calling out his patterns for six years now on deaf ears. Subsection 1983, subsection 1985 is worse, folks. That is an alternative alter to spiritual attack against your natural rights in these courts. And it happens in every state. Judge Wayne, Kurt Bedo, Judge Sullivan. Can I go on and on and on? Judge Gill of Thor held my two-hour testimony of Captain Berkowitz on the stand after the FBI got involved and y'all let them continue the abuse and neglect. Which one of y'all stand up best when it comes to fraud, extortion, official oppression? Is it you, Commissioner? Is it that discretionary opinion from your DA, the weak counsel that represents both the school? And your interest, what about we the people? What about all inherent power is granted from us? What about common law? This administrative rule of law is outlawed. It's banned. It has a tombstone. It's called Chevron. If I had one dart to fire, I would fire a subject matter jurisdiction can never be waived. That's a kryptonite against these judges and these DAs that traffic our children and the estates of our parents. It happens. Nobody has an answer. Where are you all at? A vote seems like a good idea, folks, but notification gets it done. And the 10th Amendment is the foundation of the Bill of Rights. And I'm telling you, there's not a team in the state of Nevada, there's still more wages that can hold me back from God's trust. Thank you all.

Voice Ahear it at 0:43:50

Thank you. Come on down, Corey. I think you're not on.

Voice Lhear it at 0:44:01

know that helps. Corey Mary, M-E-R-R-Y. A couple things that I wanted to talk about is growth. Growth in this town has to be done smartly. We do not have water. I'm really not sure how good our electrical grid is out here. So anything that we're going to do, we need to make sure that we take into account how much water it's going to use, what kind of power it's going to pull.

Voice Fhear it at 0:44:29

The idea that we can put two or three hundred people to work building something that might only have ten people working at it when it's done really isn't a benefit. Mr. Bain, thank you for joining us again. That was my other thing I wanted to talk about. When people come up here and talk, these commissioners should be paying attention. They should be listening. Sit down, take a note. I understand that. But there's a certain disregard from certain people up here. And it's really beginning to chafe people. So to some of you, you do an excellent job. You pay attention. Where it goes from there, don't know. But I know that you guys are working. I appreciate the job that you're doing. Do I agree with everything that you do? No.

Voice Lhear it at 0:45:21

But if I want a perfect candidate, I'm going to have to run for office myself because I'm the only one who will ever agree with me 100% of the time. Now, there is a gentleman behind me named Mr. Waters, and I applaud him 1,000% on the idea of this charter school. Charter schools aren't just about getting ready for college. It's reading, writing, and arithmetic. There's not a lot of emphasis on the external basket weaving and color booking. It's to get people ready for life. You can still go to a trade school like Ms. Pittman mentioned, which that's great for some people. But some people are still going to want to get a college prep education. And there is nothing better than a charter school because thanks to the federal government, the Department of Education has turned to crap. Thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 0:46:14

Thank you. Thank you, thank you. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Fhear it at 0:46:23

Alright, we're gonna close public comment and uh move on to number three, please.

Voice Ahear it at 0:46:31

Item three, Commissioner Manager comments. This item is limited to announcements, brief discussions of public comments, correction of actual inaccuracies, direction to staff, or topics proposed for future board meetings. Lengthy deliberation of topics not on the agenda is prohibited by Nevada Open Meeting Law.

Voice Bhear it at 0:46:51

Thank you for that. Sam, do we have any managers or directors on the phone, please?

Voice Ahear it at 0:46:57

All right, we're going to go to Commissioner Jabbour.

Voice Bhear it at 0:46:58

Our county clerk would like to

Voice Bhear it at 0:47:01

speak, please, sir.

Voice Ahear it at 0:47:02

let's go with her first then, please.

Voice Dhear it at 0:47:05

Good morning, commissioners. This is Corey Friedhoff, my county clerk. I just wanted to throw a couple members out there. So far, we have had 1,116 people go into early vote. We've counted 2,457, so our total right now is only 3,573 or 9.7%. You guys get out and vote. Get out and vote. Also, I did want to let you guys know there are 59 ballots that we have received without signatures.

Voice Dhear it at 0:47:36

We've sent letters, so when you get a letter from my office, please make sure you respond. You can call us to make sure that we are going to be able to count your ballot. And I think that's it. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 0:47:47

Hey Corey can can your department reach out to them by phone or do you have to wait for mail?

Voice Chear it at 0:47:54

No, we're going to reach out to them by phone as well, but

Voice Chear it at 0:47:56

we just are a little shorthanded, so we're hoping tomorrow or Thursday we will.

Voice Ehear it at 0:48:00

No, I gotcha. Thank you. Okay, Commissioner Jabbour.

Voice Fhear it at 0:48:05

Oh, thank you. Good morning, everybody. Good morning, Chair. I just like to touch on a couple of items that were mentioned during public comment. The word no.

Voice Bhear it at 0:48:18

There are some cultures that don't have no in their vocabulary. We happen to have no in our vocabulary here, especially in my county. And is Daryl Lackey still in chambers?

Voice Ahear it at 0:48:33

He is still there.

Voice Bhear it at 0:48:34

That's great because I absolutely agree with him because I remember pulling my daughter aside when she was very, very young. And I said, honey, if you don't stop lying, you're going to grow up to be a TV reporter. So I hope we have a great meeting today.

Voice Ahear it at 0:48:59

Thank you, sir. Commissioner Bain, do you have anything? Commissioner Strickland.

Voice Ghear it at 0:49:06

Yes, I wanted to speak to Mr. Bruce Johnson who keeps mentioning Oakridge. Oakridge is the fortress property that was a marijuana grow that has been disassembled by the state. We did not allow them to renew their license. That is a done and done deal. Even though you keep mentioning it, it's still a done deal. Mr. Waters, it'd be lovely if you could send us a draft of who we would send those letters to so we can share that and get you some support by the 11th. And I think that's it. Thank you.

Voice Hhear it at 0:49:38

Thank you. Commissioner Kovic.

Voice Ihear it at 0:49:40

We have nothing at this time. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 0:49:42

Thank you. I'll

Voice Ahear it at 0:49:45

go ahead, Brad.

Voice Fhear it at 0:49:45

if I may, Bradley Richardson, Nye County District Attorney's Office. I must comment.

Voice Jhear it at 0:49:52

respond to a comment made about the District Attorney's Office. I'm just wrapping my forty-ninth year here. Uh done a lot of criminal trials, capital murder cases, all kinds of cases, white collar cases, um worked for several different district attorneys. I've worked a couple other prosecutor's offices including Clark County D-A's office. Uh and uh I I have to say although we have fewer attorneys now than ever, uh

Voice Ahear it at 0:50:20

The office and its deputy DA prosecutors are of the highest quality. They work long hours, nights and weekends, doing more with less.

Voice Jhear it at 0:50:33

aggressively prosecute cases, take on cases other jurisdictions wouldn't even tackle trying to do the best for our community and everybody out there. We had you know if they want somebody has a problem call me and and I respect everybody's opinions but they're way off on on the quality of this district attorney's office to have the highest level Uh, we're known for that. People don't like to tackle with us, tangle with us. Um so I will leave it at that. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 0:51:05

Thank you for that clarification. I appreciate it. Um, the only thing I have is I want to thank you all for being here and, um, forgive me, but this agenda is not going to go in any sort of order because there's extenuating circumstances. With that said, oh, did you have something, Sam?

Voice Chear it at 0:51:22

Yes, Chair, thank you. There was public comment regarding the agenda and backup formatting on

Voice Chear it at 0:51:30

website. So we have had to... install and enable a software called Doc Access to be compliant with the ADA federal mandates. And Arnaldo's here to finish that.

Voice Ehear it at 0:51:45

Oh, hi. Arnold Knightley, Public Communications Manager. As Sam was alluding to, that overlay is um for the federal ADA compliance that's uh coming down the pike. It uh converts PDFs to HTML for screen readers, uh impaired people to be able to access those documents. Um so this is actually just kind of like This is just kind of like the first step. More changes are coming, trying to get away from PDFs and those kind of documents. So I will put out a press release. We've been working out the kinks. You just have to when you when it pulls up the overlay, there's if it doesn't open the menu, there's a little pancake thing at the top. You just click on that. It'll pull out the menu and you'll be able to click on. You download the PDF, print the PDF, that's where all that stuff sits. So I'll get there.

Voice Hhear it at 0:52:42

You're going to have to teach me that on break because I cannot open a damn thing without it puts the other

Voice Ehear it at 0:52:49

saying out of pressure

Voice Ehear it at 0:52:51

because it has

Voice Ehear it at 0:52:51

the screen shots on what I just I said.

Voice Hhear it at 0:52:53

just figured it was me. All right, thank you for that. Chief, come on up.

Voice Khear it at 0:53:05

Good morning, Commissioner. Scott Lewis, daily WIS Director of Emergency Management for Nye County. Those are concerning comment made about some radioactive investigations underway near Amargosa. I've checked with NNSA and NSS and also State RAD. There is no such activity that anyone's aware of. So if there is some concerns, please come forth and we'll investigate them. Thank you.

Voice Ahear it at 0:53:28

Thank you very much. Exactly. All right, we're going to close that out and move to uh number four please.

Voice Ahear it at 3:39:25

Item 06:10AM timed item for possible action, public hearing discussion and deliberation to adopt, amend and adopt or reject Nye County Bill number twenty twenty six-four, the bill proposing to amend chapter 2.52 public administrator of the Nye County code by repealing chapter 2.52 in its entirety and by adding section 2.52.010 elected office abolished by adding Section 2.52.020, employee contract or designate by adding Section 2.52.030 duties by adding section 2.52.040, supervision and compensation by adding section 2.52.050, payments into the county general fund by adding section 2.52.060 board reports, investigations and budget providing for the severability constitutionality and effective date hereof and other matters properly relating thereto.

Voice Bhear it at 3:40:36

Thank you for that. This item I requested to bring forward because I have an obligation to provide transparency and fairness to the families of people in Nye County, and I'm not indicating that they are not provided that currently. What I am indicating is there is not enough transparency by any stretch in this in this current setup that we have. I've had complaints from several people, including realtors indicating that they are being treated unfairly, including title officers who are indicating that they are being treated unfairly, and that the current public administrator is using one realtor and one title company for all of this work. I've also had complaints from decedent's families that indicate if a property sold for $200,000 for example, There are storage charges. There are moving charges. There are cleanup charges. And by the time all of these charges are finished, there isn't much left for these families. I have no, I don't know the current public administrator or anybody she's working with. I just learned recently that one of her volunteers who goes traipsing through people's houses is supposedly unpaid, but the wife of that volunteer has a cleanup company that is also utilized. This is an entire or appears to be an entire situation of a small group of people monopolizing this situation all at the expense of a decedent's family. If anybody in this room passed away and did not have things in order as they should, I would not want unpaid volunteers or other people traipsing through my loved ones' houses or house without active body cam, without a deputy from NCSO, who obviously the estate would reimburse the sheriff's department for those hours. I just wouldn't want that. There's a whole lot of this and again, I'll say it again. The people that are involved in this are trashing me online saying that I'm doing this to insert my daughter into this position, it would be a pay cut for my daughter by a long shot. She's a ten year practicing lawyer who would never, nor would any of my family or friends or anybody else. That isn't what this is about. This position and originally there was talk of it being a contracted I'm sorry, an employed position. In later thinking of that, in later thinking about that, I don't think that's the way to go. We don't need to grow government. All I want is oversight transparency for the families of the people who have passed. They deserve that. So I believe it ought to remain a contracted position. I don't even care if the current public administrator applies to be that contracted person. What it's gonna need to be with oversight, at least in my opinion. That is where we need to be with this. We need to have the oversight and the transparency because everything in the light of day is sanitized, and that's just what it is. My opinion also when when somebody's passed and the public administrator is called in, besides there being a deputy that's reimbursed through the sheriff's department and body cam from that deputy who is an unbiased third party, not related, not friends, not family, anything else. There also should be RFID tags on anything of value. I'm friends with Michael Murphy who is running for PA in Clark County, has worked there for years and years back when Tellus killed Jeff Gerriman. And there are horror stories of this, especially in rurals. I've been here thirty years. I was here back in the Red and Jeannie Dyer days. I don't know how many of you remember that. Clearly, I do not believe that's what's happening here. Again, I have nothing personal against anybody involved regardless of what they say about me. That's just the way it is. So I'm going to leave that right there for this point and ask commissioners if they have anything else. Or Lorena, do you have anything?

Voice Chear it at 3:45:54

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I will just add since I'm the bill is

Voice Bhear it at 3:46:01

sorry, Lorena. One quick sec. Okay, sure. In the three and a half years I've been on up here, I believe there were reporting requirements where the public administrator should have come to us and given us reports. I can't remember if they're quarterly. I think they are. And then annually there is one also that is required not by us, by NRS. In the three and a half years I've been here, I don't know that I've seen two of the quarterly reports. And the one I did see was I don't know if it could have been more vague. Secondly, a month or so ago when I asked on the record where is the audit that you were required by NRS to provide, I was told, fuck Nye County, I'm not doing that, and I lawyered up. That's what I was told. Then I heard that she was bragging about it at the Artesia clubhouse to several people. F. Nye County, I've lawyered up. I don't have to do that. This came up three years ago when I was on this board with Frank Carbone. Frank talked to me a couple different times and indicated that this there's problems that he sees or has heard about with this and it needs to be addressed. Time ran out for him. Everybody got busy and nothing ever happened. So that's why we are here today. Go ahead, Lorena, and I apologize.

Voice Chear it at 3:47:41

Thank you, Mr. Scherer. I just I wanted to add that if the Office of the Public Administrator is abolished, it opens up the opportunity for the county to establish a private purpose trust fiduciary fund, and that's a GASB rule. So and you can't do that while this is an elected office because the government has to control the assets. So if you were to have one of these trusts established, you would then be able to run the funds through county general and include it in the audit.

Voice Bhear it at 3:48:18

Thank you for that. So it would be audited annually

Voice Dhear it at 3:48:21

under those circumstances.

Voice Bhear it at 3:48:23

Thank you. Thank you. Chair? Yes, sir. Go ahead, Commissioner.

Voice Ehear it at 3:48:28

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the information. This is information that I would have thought if there was an audit conducted would have come out through the audit. And this is Jabbour for the record, by the way. Some people confuse my voice with John's and Frank's. But nevertheless, so there was There no was no audit conducted. I had questions then. I still have some questions. Currently, this is, as we know, an elected position. We are seven days until the primary. There are only two individuals that are running for this office. It's no secret to us that they have spent money. They have spent time. People have their constituents have spent money and time on research and on voting. It's on the ballot. This is borderline in my opinion. At this time, because it's premature, it either should have come up, which it didn't, long before the election, But this is borderline into election interference as far as I'm concerned. We say the elected office to be abolished with oversight. If it does become a position of the county, and I heard you loud and clear, Chair, that you don't want to grow government, we're trying to shrink government, we're trying to be creative and figure out because we still have a lot of work to do in regards to our financial status of the county. Well, this position, if it was part of the government, would automatically be frozen as per our vote just last meeting on all positions countywide. So if I think if we wait for this, wait for the election, and whoever is elected by the people, it eliminates us to have to go to the ballot for this situation unless the people come forward and say, no, we want this to go on the ballot to become an abolished position and oversight and a government position through the county. But my opinion, again, is that if we wait for the election results, whoever is victorious would be appointed that position and they would we would have oversight. But I think this is premature at this time just before the election. It's totally unfair to these two candidates. And I'm not discounting that some of the information or all of the information or possibly none of the information is accurate to give them that opportunity to defend themselves. I believe this is unfair to be one week before the election to have this before us. And with that, I will turn it over to you, Chair. Thank you very much, Commissioner.

Voice Bhear it at 3:52:24

NRS requires the timing, and it needs to be before. So had that not been the case, it would have not been the case. But it is what it is.

Voice Ehear it at 3:52:40

Chairman, can you excuse me? Respect this, if you don't mind, because don't see the NRS. And if you would be kind enough, and I'll be happy to look it up so we can It's right here. Not because I'd like to review it. Under staff reports, it's the second page

Voice Dhear it at 3:53:03

behind the agenda item. It's the NRS 253.125.

Voice Fhear it at 3:53:15

While he reads that, could I ask Maybe.

Voice Ehear it at 3:53:20

Is that the one that you're referring to? Maybe? Yes. So when we have our agenda item request form

Voice Dhear it at 3:53:26

for Item six, and on the backside of it, on mine at least, we have this NRS that's quoted here. You're talking about the justification form, Commissioner? No. Yeah. On the backside of the application regulations, it states the NRS No. Do see it right there?

Voice Ehear it at 3:53:47

Yes. And it says maybe by ordinance. Maybe, commissioner. Okay? Oh, sure. Doesn't mean we have to do it. Okay. Thank you. And I was addressing the chair, by the way. I apologize. Thank

Voice Dhear it at 3:53:59

you. I will not address you. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 3:54:02

Go ahead, commissioner Bain.

Voice Fhear it at 3:54:04

I'm just I'm just looking. It's very academically. Is is this we have a lawyer letter here, but it's not part of the supplemental, information. Is is this is anyone gonna speak on this? Is it the the attorney's not present or anything like that? I just I'm just Oh, he is here. Are you speaking or no? Are you just Brett. Are you ready to speak? Or when when does he speak? He speaks in public comment? Okay. Well, can we do something where we ask? Because reading the lawyer letter, there's two objections in, I think. And I just wanna make sure that I'm doing I'm because I'm you know, I have a very short attention span. Everyone knows. So it looks like it's two objections. One is the term. You know? Hey. The term expires 2026. We wanna make sure that we're able to serve it. The second is the financial well-being of the county, which I'm very happy he's concerned. I'm sure they're concerned about the financial well-being of the county. But those are the two objections. And I hate to sound like we're in court because I know we're not in court, but, you know, this like the answer to this. You know, hey, want to abolish this. And the answer that was given is two things. Well, one, term ending, we wanna make sure this and I'm just trying to unreal. I really am not. I would I didn't put this on. I'm not saying it. I'm just trying to look at what's in front of me because it's my job, not always fun to do. And but the two objections are term is ending. We'll make sure that that's preserved, that right is preserved. And two, is this financial well-being analysis. Is is that correct? Does that cover the the objections here? Is that it?

Voice Bhear it at 3:55:29

Go ahead, sir. I think you gotta push the

Voice Ghear it at 3:55:35

there you go. Hi. My name is Rusty Graff. I'm an attorney with the law firm of Black and Graff. I represent the public administrator Ginger Simpson. Please just spell your last name for the record. Graff is g r a, f as in Frank. Thank you. I have a copy of the letter I'd like to I have it ended to the the record.

Voice Fhear it at 3:55:55

Brad? This is this is dated May 29, or do you have a newer one? No. It's the same one? May 29. Okay. Because I think you had two two different ones. Send it to,

Voice Hhear it at 3:56:05

excuse me, my office sent it to you. Has this been posted or circulated, or do we need time to do it? We would need time to do it, chair. Yeah.

Voice Bhear it at 3:56:15

If we're adding it to the backup. This was the letter that was sent out Friday? It is. I mean, '29. I sent it to the board and the clerk.

Voice Ghear it at 3:56:26

I sent it to the board and the clerk. Okay.

Voice Ihear it at 3:56:30

Jerry, if you'd like to add it as additional backup, we would need a vote in about fifteen, twenty minutes to distribute to our locations.

Voice Fhear it at 3:56:37

That's fine. Do we have to do that? Is that alright. If if you want it added to the backup, then yes. But that's up to the board. And I just I'm referencing the letter. I just want people to realize what I'm referencing. I'm not requesting anything. I don't really care, honestly. I I just wanna give this person a fair just up here talking. I just want to acknowledge the objections because she made objections. I just think they should be acknowledged.

Voice Bhear it at 3:56:59

Does this board want to take a vote on accepting that backup or no?

Voice Ehear it at 3:57:04

Yes, please, as I don't have it up here.

Voice Fhear it at 3:57:08

Yeah, we probably should. I mean, do we have to accept it? I mean, can we just pass it or we have to do it? Is that a motion, Commissioner Jabbour?

Voice Bhear it at 3:57:15

Yes. Is that a second, Commissioner? Sure. Second the motion. All right. All those in favor? Aye. We're zayed. Aye. Nay. Four, one, fifteen minutes, four o'clock.

Voice Jhear it at 3:57:29

I brought copies.

Voice Bhear it at 3:57:31

That gal right there will take them.

Voice Ehear it at 3:57:49

Excuse me, Chair? Chair, you can hear me. We're waiting still for the documents, so we'll need a few more minutes.

Voice Ihear it at 3:58:01

Those have been distributed, so you can proceed. Thank you very much, Sam.

Voice Bhear it at 3:58:07

Alright. We're calling this back to order after break time and, oh, that's right. Come on up, sir. I

Voice Ghear it at 3:58:22

got laryngitis. Uh-oh. I would love to talk louder.

Voice Ghear it at 3:58:35

Good afternoon, commissioners. My name is Rusty Graff. I represent Ginger Simpson, who is the current public administrator. I should have introduced myself a little bit more formally last time. I apologize for the informality of that, introduction. I'm an advocate. I'm an advocate for my client, and miss Simpson has very good arguments as to why this particular bill shouldn't be passed. But there's two in particular reasons that it shouldn't be passed, and that is that it's unconstitutional. It's unconstitutional because the statute upon which you're trying to base the abolishment of her position, her elected position, states clearly and unequivocally that she can serve out the remainder of her time. Mhmm. Currently, the bill has is the effective date 06/22/2026. That's an arbitrary date. The Nevada Supreme Court, as recently as a couple of months ago, has made determinations as to the ineffectual nature of an effective date within an ordinance or a bill conducted by in that instance, it was Clark County regarding the short term rental situation. So back backtrack one more step too, commissioners. I was the one that wrote the letter about the audit. I know what it says. I also know I didn't get a response from the county. And what I said in that report was you had to make that request for an audit that miss Simpson has to pay for out of her own pocket, which is gonna be approximately 20 some odd thousand dollars to do an audit. And that audit is very expensive, and it was untimely requested by the county. That letter remains to this day unresponded to by Nye County. So when this issue came up, I asked and did some research. There hasn't been any workshops regarding this bill. These other issues that I'm gonna talk about today could have been handled if those issues would have been addressed in a workshop. The date of effectiveness, making it December thirty first of this year through the end of the tenure of the current public administrator might save that bill. But the other issues, it doesn't save. So included in the objections from commissioner Bain were we had I I say there's three objections. The effective date, the issue as to the costs and expenses, and then the issue as to whether or not there was a business impact or a financial impact that was done. One other thing that I didn't talk about in the letter is the fact that the face of the bill states that there was supposed to be an legal review, and none has been indicated that was done. That's fatal. So but it's not agendized, and that's the problem. It wasn't properly this is the the information you produce to the public saying this is what's been done. The face of the document says that the legal review has not been conducted. There has been no business impact, survey done, and there certainly hasn't been any financial impact. And there's going to be financial impact. Regardless of whether or not you employ someone, contract with someone, there's gonna be issues. But the bigger issue, and this isn't in the letter, and I just realized that today, the amendment is trying to change how the fees are paid and to whom the fees are paid. The fees, according to this bill, are gonna be paid into the general fund. You're gonna be paying the administrator. So then you're gonna try and collect from the estates for fees. You're already paying the the administrator through fees, so that's a tax. That's the argument. This board and this commission doesn't have the opportunity to create taxes. That's left to the legislature. The legislature is also the one that decided how long and when, miss Simpson's tenure will be terminated if you choose to abolish her position. So this is a political statement that I'm about to make, not a legal statement. This county is in debt, and it's been in debt for this fiscal year and potentially next fiscal year. You're trying to create a new position, and the the amendment to the bill says that that person's going to be paid according to section four of the Nye County personnel policy. That's gonna cost money. You do not pay miss Simpson or whoever would be elected as the next public administrator. She is paid and reimbursed her costs, and all of that is reviewed by the court. Every estate that goes through intestate and let's talk about what that means. I know the definition is in the proposed amended agenda item, but intestate means that somebody dies without a will. That then creates a situation where those people are unprotected. The court is the one that's been designated by the legislature to review that process. There's an accounting and a final accounting that is submitted to the district court and that is approved by the district court. Some of the commissioner's comments were directed towards the retention of realtors and at to the retention of, title companies. Those are all done on a rotating basis. I'm gonna let miss Simpson address those issues in public comment.

Voice Fhear it at 4:04:53

That's all I have. Mister chairman, maybe we should go to public comments so we can get that out of the way so that if we have a question for him, we can have a productive cover to figure out who is who's speaking, if counsel is speaking or or or what's going on. Right. Good idea. Alright. Let's open public comment on this item.

Voice Bhear it at 4:05:08

Come on down, Bill. Oh, timer.

Voice Jhear it at 4:05:14

My name is William Hockstedler, h o c k s t e d l e r. I have before me six points and authorities in opposition to the Nye County bill two zero two six dash o four. I wanna read this for for to get it done quickly. This submission presents six points in authorities in opposition to the bill as drafted. The central objections are one, NRS two fifty three point one two five section two a expressly protects the term of any person elected or serving as the public administrator barring admonishment until that term expires. The bill's June 22 date effective date cannot extinguish the statutory term protection rights that vest upon the winner's election on June 9. Three, abolishing the elected official office thirteen days after a contested primary disenfranchises voters who participate in that election. Number four, the qualification language mandated in NRS two fifty three point one two five section two c contemplates a natural person, not a corporation or entity. The mandatory routing of all estate compensation into the county general fund under section 2.52 o five o of the bill creates a novel conflict with the fee schedule established by NRS one fifty point o two o. And number six, the board should, at a minimum, defer action pending a formal opinion from the Nye County district attorney. To briefly cover all six of these, I'll just go with the headline. Is NRS two fifty three point one two five two o or section two a mandates that the current or next elected public administrator serve the full remainder of his or her term before abolishment takes effect. Number two, the June ninth primary election creates an invested statutory right under NRS two fifty three one two five two a that survives the bill's June 22 effective date. The June twenty twenty second effective date in the bill was presumably including an acknowledgment that the June ninth primary cannot be canceled. But a post election effective date does not resolve the term protection problem. It actually sharpens it. Moving on to point number three. Abolishing an elected office thirteen days after a contested primary disenfranchises voters and its constituents aggressively. The two candidates filed are actively competing in the June 9, primary for the Nye County public administrator under under NRS two fifty three point one zero. Thousands of Republican primary voters will cast ballots believing that they are electing a person to serve a full four year term. Point number four, the qualification language mandated by NRS two fifty three point one two five two c presupposes a natural person and cannot be satisfied by a corporate entity. This requires the board is, the board is set forth in the abolishment of the ordinance and qualifications of the persons employed or contracted to perform public administrative duties. The statute mandates, at a minimum, age 21, no criminal history, and civil fraud liability. Have to post a bond. Corporations cannot do those things. Thank you, Bill. Thank you. Same, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Ihear it at 4:08:26

Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Khear it at 4:08:33

Hello, commissioners. Bruce Johnson, j o h n s o n. You know, I just want to bring up that the fact that we have seem to have some procedural diversion that seems to take place pretty regularly here amongst these meetings. And I'm gonna bring up the last agenda item as a reference to what I'm talking about, where you take our public comments on this topic matter, and then you come back in with other subject matter after the public comments are done, which raises whole new questions, and we never even get a chance to even comment on those questions. So I'm gonna nicely ask that you guys work on refining that system because it really it's a form of maladministration. So now I wanna raise a procedural concern regarding the structure of public comments. Public is being asked to comment before hearing the full discussion, reasoning, and exchange between all the parties and decision makers involved. That creates an inversion in the process. Meaningful part public participation depends on the ability of the people to respond to the actual discussion take place, not merely speculate beforehand about what may or may not be said. When public comment occurs prior to full deliberation and presentation, participation can become less informed and less effective. I believe that people are better served when they are able to hear the discussion fully and then, meaning, fully respond to it while the matter is still under consideration. Transparency and dialogue function best when communication flows both directions, not only one. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 4:10:26

Thank you. Come on down, Leah. Leah.

Voice Lhear it at 4:10:32

Good afternoon, commissioners. Leah Aldridge, a l d r I d g e. On June 9, Nye County Republicans will go to the polls to vote in a primary election for public administrator. That race has been on the ballot for months. Two candidates filed, qualified, and have been campaigning in this community. Voters know about this race. Some have already cast early ballots. This board is being asked today to vote on eliminating the office those voters are choosing between. I am not a lawyer. I'm not a politician. I'm a Nye County resident who has watched this community grow and who takes election seriously. And I have said plainly, the timing of this action troubles me deeply. If there were legitimate administrative reasons to consolidate the public administrator's duties, those conversations could have happened at any point in the last four years. They did not happen. They're happening now in the final days before contested primary election. That timing sends a message to voters. It says your vote on June 9 may not matter. It says the outcome you choose at the ballot box can be undone before the the winner is even seated. That is not how elections are supposed to work in Nye County, in Nevada, or in America. The people who will vote on June 9 June 9 trusted that their vote meant something when they marked their ballot. One of these candidates has spent months preparing for this office, earning credentials, building community relationships, developing a vision for how this office can better serve Nye County families. Voters deserve the chance to evaluate that candidate and the other candidate and make their choice. I'm asking this board to respect the voters of Nye County, table this bill, let the election proceed, let the people speak. Whatever the outcome on June 9, honor it. That's all I'm asking. Thank you. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 4:12:23

Come on down on the front, please.

Voice Mhear it at 4:12:30

Good afternoon. My name is Robert Thomas, t h o m a s. Most of you know that I am a recovering attorney that I spent well, I I had 225 jury trials to completion in 1982. I've continued to try cases since then up until I retired. I thought I retired in 2017. So I have probably twice that number done. I commend this board for last week having cut expenses, which obviously was painful to some of the employees of the county because their jobs got cut or their pay got cut, at least according to the newspaper. And then I am dumbfounded to see this on calendar today where clearly, if a vote is taken today to pass this resolution, the court will there's know, the board will be buying a lawsuit. Lawsuits are expensive, I can tell you. You don't want that expense. I'm asking the board to please vote this down and if you're still interested in passing an ordinance like this, then please staff it correctly, put it in the, addendum to the agenda item correctly with the DA's advice eliminating any attorney client privilege and giving the public a full and fair opportunity to dis discuss this matter. It's important. So I'm asking you to please vote this down not to just table it, but vote it down and then if you wish to bring it back you can staff it through your staff

Voice Ihear it at 4:14:43

and try again. Thank you very much. Thank you. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please? Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Nhear it at 4:14:54

Yes. This is Tim Bohannon, b o h a n n o n, speaking as a CPA who's audited with PwC, and a few others. When I heard of the concern about paying for the audit and seeing what NRS said, I was a little bit surprised by that. As for the resolution timing and the elections, that's a different opinion. From an audit perspective, audit up, let's go let's make sure that the facts are there, make sure the records are good, check it out, and go forward hopefully. And things are positive, and if there's recommendations, make them. If there's not, likewise. But a good independent audit does not hurt in this situation, certainly none has been done, to my understanding, since at least 2016 and maybe before that. So, you know, that's a gap of time that, you know, that's too long. Even if it's internal, you know, that's better off that we have something, but there's a gap there. From an election standpoint, yeah, it's it's borderline tampering. It's a concern. I'm gonna leave that to the attorneys. But, yeah, I'm I'm a bit concerned of the timing, but I'm not concerned with the fact of having audit for the role or the administrator's office. I think that's important. I think it's important that the people know and that if there's opportunity for improvements or if the books are great, it's good for the people to understand that. Thank you. Thank you. Come on down to prompt, please.

Voice Ohear it at 4:16:42

Good afternoon. Michael Runion, spelled r u n I o n. I'd like to make note of the time. It is currently sixteen twenty six, but I'd also like to make note of all the notes section here. All items are approximate except for bid openings, public hearings, which this is according to the line item, and any other items agendized at specific time. So is this a violation of open meeting law, Ron, Mr. Chair? He who hath willful ethics violations on his record and has dared to accuse somebody who spent 15 years in public service in a position of public trust of traipsing I may enter houses. Go ahead, mister Dea.

Voice Hhear it at 4:17:30

Yeah. As set forth in the agenda, personal ad hoc no personal attacks

Voice Ohear it at 4:17:36

allowed. Well, it is a matter of public record, sir, that he has those violations. Actually, they're not there now. But go ahead. Oh, you've had them scrubbed? No.

Voice Phear it at 4:17:46

Well, fair enough. Okay.

Voice Bhear it at 4:17:49

I would get your legal advice from Leo again.

Voice Ohear it at 4:17:51

Again, sir, your personal attacks on me and my integrity

Voice Bhear it at 4:17:57

from the chair? You posted it, not me.

Voice Ohear it at 4:18:01

Sir, I believe commentary back and forth between a member of the board and a member of public speaking or a member of the public is also prohibited by open meeting law. I'll restart your time now. Thank you, sir. So what I wanna make sure that people are aware is I am a deputy in the public administrator's office, and I take tremendous offense, tremendous offense to the chair stating that I am traipsing through people's homes and taking what I please. Body cams, every one of us wears them. They're self funded because this office is self funded. The NCSO deputies stay on scene the entire time until a priority call goes out because the board has succeeded in underfunding that department, and we have open positions. And they do need to respond to domestics and that type of thing. So those are not true that we don't wear body cams and that we don't have NCSO on scene. We are background checked. We are vetted. Like I said, I have fifteen years of public service with a position of public trust. Further to that, I find that even considering this during the election season disenfranchises your constituents. The people that are voting for you, mister Boscovich and and Deb Strickland, just you as well because you're the two of, the people that are going out and voting for you. Now I wonder if the board would consider the same thing, eliminating one of your positions during the election and how that would be election interference possibly, or perhaps stripping you of the ability for the people to vote for you because the board had a desire to fill the coffers that they drained so effectively. By moving the money from the public administrator, the elected official into the general fund, a general fund which is looks like it will be rated to cover the failings of the board to meet the budget, you know, borrowing from that. You're borrowing from the families of deceased individuals that no longer have a voice. It's unfortunate that the Board is going this direction. It's truly unfortunate. I will yield the remainder of my time to the next individual. Thank you. Thank you. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Ihear it at 4:20:31

Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ihear it at 4:20:45

The caller is unmuted. You can speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Bhear it at 4:20:53

Come on up, Dwight.

Voice Qhear it at 4:21:02

Dwight Lilly, l I l l y. My wife and I voted first day of early voting, so I think that my vote would be disenfranchised if you now eliminate the office that I did the research on and my wife and voted for this person. Secondly, I find it amazing the transparency is brought up in the presentation when the county, before lunch, moved an agenda item to the eighteenth of the month so that we could not hear a very important agenda item. To me, that was a lack of transparency taking place. But I want to commend chairman Boscovich for bringing up an issue, and I've been here for twenty three years, that I've not seen another commission bring up, and that is the issues that we've had with the public administrator office having to do with the assets of people that have passed on, Why they didn't have a will, I don't know why they didn't have a will. But the point is, they're a bit it's legendary, the stories. When I had my talk radio show here for five years, I interviewed people. There's one family that their relative had three homes here in Pahrump, and a public administrator and his clowns managed to bleed all the assets off of the property while the people were out there. And with the present public administrator, I don't know her. I'm I'm not privy to the information, but I've had two different families tell me that they had problems having to do with the assets of their of their accounts. So I'm glad that commissioner Boskovich brought this up. I don't believe that it should be eliminated as an elected position, but I believe there need to be some guardrails, serious guardrails put on there. And I heard the attorney talk about all the expense of an audit. Well, I'm sorry, but I want an audit. In fact, the county talked about auditing our financial situation with a forensic audit, but I've not seen any movement on auditing county on the financial problems we've had. Audits can be expensive, but I think if you're a public administrator, you owe it to Ron Voskovich, Dwight Lilly, Deborah Strickland, Ian Bayall, all of us, John Koenig, an accounting of the assets of that person. Their past, they're gone on, the family might be in Alaska or whatever, Maryland, some place. It's not right to rob the corpse of a person that's taken place in that office. And Ron, you know it and I know it that this has happened. It's happened. It needs to stop. So I would hope the commissioner would not remove this elected office, but meet with the district attorney, the legal people, and come up with some type of guardrail that makes a public administrator position, even though it's a private an elected position, that they have to abide by certain standards of reporting. Because you're right. I haven't heard any audits come forward in the you know? That's what I've got to say, Ron. I hope you make some put the guardrails in. Thank you, Dwight.

Voice Ihear it at 4:24:10

Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please? Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Rhear it at 4:24:19

Yes. My name is Stella Stewart, s t e w a r t. I come here today to strongly oppose this measure. I object to the attempt to take my vote away. If there are problems in the office as are being claimed, then do something to fix that. Do not take my elected voice away. I would like to see that the board of county commissioners address the impact of this action as far as economically, the efficiency, oversight, and accountability. And then I propose that before any definitive action is taken that a series of town halls be scheduled and impact study report be submitted to the public for consideration. At that point in time, then they should put it before the public as a vote whether or not to remain as an elected position or to come under the, jurisdiction of the county commissioners. I also submit that at this time, the timing is not a good look for the board of county commissioners. It does give the appearance of being personal and of possibly being going on. I would strongly urge the county commissioners to vote this down right now and go back to the drawing table and come up with a plan that will work better for the general public.

Voice Bhear it at 4:25:49

Thank you. Thank you. Come on down, please. Toneopal, please. Oh, shoot. Go ahead, Toneopal. Sorry. Sorry, Imparam.

Voice Phear it at 4:26:02

Patty Harhey, h a r h a y. I live up in Tonopah, of course, but I have worked for Ginger for the last ten, eleven years as a deputy for the public administrator. And I know you guys are trying to fix a budget. I understand all that. I wanna talk about what we go on a daily basis when we get a call out. It's twenty four seven. It's not fun when you get out of your car and you can smell somebody that has passed away before you even walk into their house. If you make this a paid position, that person needs to have a very strong stomach. They have to be very compassionate. I've had people call me after I have dealt with them and their family for their greeting from their past loved ones. And it it's horrible that you have to give them that news, but it also makes you feel good that you were able to be there for them and console them. And, I mean, there's times where I should have been from the family. I should have been paid a little extra, but I didn't do it because it's a financial burden for these people, especially if they live out of state. Now I know with the county, if you're gonna get paid for it, you're gonna get paid for it. I don't feel that that's right. I think it's an in your option. But I I mean, I drive all over North Nye County going on calls, and they are not pleasant by no means. So, I mean, Ginger, she's done a lot of cleaning up. I came in after the red dire and all that stuff when I first started working, and she's done a lot. She's done a lot to make it honest and fair. And I know a lot of people say that, oh, she's robbing them and this and that. I could tell you what, she's a very stand up person, and I've never seen anything to make me think different that she was robbing somebody. I get it. You guys need funds, but those aren't your funds. That is not the county funds. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 4:28:13

Thank you. Come on down and prompt, please, this time.

Voice Shear it at 4:28:20

My name is Amy Runyon, r u n I o n. I am a Nye County resident. I am also a current deputy for the office, unpaid. Just so set the record straight, I do this because I believe that this is a service that's necessary for the family members. I don't do this to line pockets. I don't do this to traipse through houses. One thing I want to mention is I was very hurt at the question of integrity. I my day job, which I do, which I missed today to be here, I took PTO. Six and a half hours later, we're talking. But so this is my you know, this is something I do from the heart. I don't like it when our integrity is called into question. I've only been in Pahrump since 2020. So I was not here for the previous public administrators that I've heard awful tales about. But I choose to do this because I believe there is integrity in the office. If I didn't believe there was integrity in the office, I would not sign my name and work for somebody. We do have body cams personally purchased. Obviously, we submit photos. We provide evidence of what we saw when we went to the property. One thing I will say is sometimes when we go to the property and what we take pictures of isn't how the kid remembers it. Sometimes these people haven't been in communication with their family for years. And the kid's like, well, I thought mom had this jewelry and these furs, and where are they? You haven't been talking to your mom for five years. And from what it looks like in the house, it looks like she probably had to hock those to pay the power bill. It's sad, but this is what we see on a daily basis. I do have a problem with the timing of this. You know, doing it during this election season, a, it disenfranchises people who've already voted, who are planning to vote between now and June 9. It also gives you an opportunity to say things about one or both of the people who are up for election for this office. You can say them from your chair position because we're talking about a matter of public record. Gives you an official platform to say things you'd say as a chair, not as an I County resident. So and I will go along with everyone else who has said, timing wise, there's no necessity to vote on this before June 9. It's based on the when the person takes office. It does not say that whoever wins the primary in June 9. It's based on that office period. So there's no reason this has to be decided now. The county has not done what it needs to do as far as legal, as far as fiscal to know what you're getting into.

Voice Bhear it at 4:31:23

Thank you. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Ihear it at 4:31:26

Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Thear it at 4:31:32

Yes. Amy Nelson, n e l s o n. Ron, I listened to everything you had to say, and I've had people tell me horror stories as well. But I have to remember, and I also know I also know the administrator, Ginger, since I moved here. And she's as honest as you are. And you have to remember there are people for example, if this passed and the commissioners appointed someone, then you're gonna have people that are in a position to do something wrong and when they otherwise wouldn't. Just put a person that needs help financially in a position to get that that financial help, and they're gonna probably do it. You have to be careful on Ginger's side and on your side on on who does these kinds of of jobs because they are difficult. It is difficult to get people to volunteer for them, but Ginger's done a good job. And you have to listen to people, Rhonda, complain to you. And the people that are happy aren't gonna go running and say, oh, Ginger did this and Ginger did that. The the three people that are unhappy probably were not even in in touch with the family member when they died. So it's kinda hard to take sides. And I don't know what you were told or who told you, but this is really not a good time. It does make you look like a an ogre, a villain that's attacking a public figure that's in a service and, for the public. It it doesn't look good for you. And I I just am sorry to see that it was brought up, especially now, because now you're talking about election integrity. But I I think it should be voted against, voted down, and fought over and read over and maybe bring it back another time or maybe not. Because I, for one, would not like to see it appointed by a commission. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 4:34:11

Thank you. Come on down in front, please.

Voice Uhear it at 4:34:16

Ginger Simpson, s I m p s o n. I am a taxpayer. I am a voter, and I am your current Nye County public administrator. I believe the office of the public administrator needs to remain elected position to answer to the voters and the taxpayers of Nye County. I have been lucky enough to hold this position for the past ten years, and I believe that I've operated the office in a productive manner that is supportive of the Nye County residents. Being appointed in two and a half years of the board commissioners, then additional eight years to elections, totaling ten years of service I've given to this community. When I was first appointed in 2016, I told the county I was gonna come in this office, make it an office of integrity and honesty, and I continued to do so and follow the same procedures I put in place then. The voters agreed. They voted for me to continue to do so, not once, but twice in the past eight years. Now on the third time of running to continue in this position, the board wants to take that right away from the voters. Why? Now out of nowhere, the board of county commissioners is seeking to abolish the office of the public administrator as elected. Why now? One week before the election, this does seem politically motivated. Because no one has seemed to have been able to answer this question for ten years. As required by Nevada law, every quarter, I provide a report of deaths, cases opened, cases closed, and cases turned over to families. So the past ten years, that's 40 reports. Not a single time did anyone ask to review an estate file listed on those reports. My office and deputies have attended and secured over a thousand homes in the ten years. We've opened and probated and closed 535 cases of Nye County residents. Cases were appointed to me directly by the families of the deceased, the courts, the attorneys, and other county ages agencies, including the attorney general. I have been through three sets of commissioners in the past ten years. The office is open to the public. And in the past ten years, not one member of the public or a single commissioner or a single agency has ever requested to see a file, ask questions, or view accounting of cases. If voted to abolish this position as elected, it will cause our county and taxpayers additional funds being expended to hire employees to operate as the public administrator, staff, and deputies. How's the county gonna have the funds for payroll, PERS, medical insurance, benefits, new positions? Where's this money gonna come from? Are you gonna raise taxes to cover this? How will this affect the community of Nye? This will be need to be done in Armagosa, Beatty, Tonopah, Round Mountain, and other surrounding Nye County areas because it's not just Perump. An area of 19,000 square miles of coverage needs vehicles, equipment, supplies, plus the cost of fuel and maintenance of those vehicles needed to travel the vast areas in the distance. At this time, when Nye County is operating under a huge deficit, cutting police officers, cutting school staffing, cutting budgets in all areas, most importantly, there's a hiring freeze, nothing could be further from the truth. I will not sit by and allow the residents of Nye County to be misled by you. I will fight for the voters and the right to have the decision that they want to be done with the office. Keep it elected or make it appointed, but let the voters choose. What right do you have to take the vote away from the voters? Put it on a ballot. Let the voters decide. Thank you. Thank you. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Ihear it at 4:37:25

Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Vhear it at 4:37:34

Melissa Blundo, b l u n d o. Good afternoon, chair and commissioners. I would ask the board to carefully consider the timing of this proposal. The question of whether to abolish the elected public administrator office is already before the voters. Candidate filing has opened. Candidates have made decisions based on the evidence of this office, and voters are currently operating under the assumption that they will have the opportunity to decide this matter through the ballot process. Moving forward with abolishing the office while the question is actively before the electorate creates the appearance of the voters role in the process as being diminished. Regardless of where anyone stands on the office itself, the public deserves confidence that their vote matters and that the rules are not being changed in the middle of an election cycle. If the board believes this issue deserves further consideration, I would respectfully suggest doing so after the current election process is concluded and on the timeline that allows for full public discussion before candidate filing opens for the next cycle. This is not simply a question about the public administrator position. It is a question about transparency, fairness, and respecting the expectations of both candidates and voters. The public should have a meaningful opportunity to participate in this decision without the process changing after the election has already begun.

Voice Bhear it at 4:38:56

Thank you. Thank you. Come on down a prompt, please.

Voice Whear it at 4:39:03

Commissioner staff, my name is Brandy Matheny, m a t h e n y. I'm gonna go a little bit quickly so I can get this all in. I strongly encourage you to keep and continue the public administrator as an elected position. I'm not gonna harp on you about the timing. It's kind of a dead horse at this point. But, again, the the intention is very questionable. I will

Voice Xhear it at 4:39:29

as a constituent in your district. I it's you should be embarrassed for me to sit here and listen to you say, I heard this. I hear that without any evidence or burden of proof. Most elected officials, they're informed of wrongdoing in a public or county office, state office, either one, would go investigate it and not just spew hearsay as a chairman of the BOCC or banter with any of the public comments. But I'm not gonna lecture you on your actions, but just know we're watching your actions and you should be embarrassed by that. Because you seem to have such a strong personal conflict with this position, you may wanna consider recusing yourself if this does not get voted down or does not stay elected because it's blatantly obvious that you have a personal problem with either the current public administrator or the office, just an outsider looking in. The other things I have to bring up, it seems like many people that are voting for this or should be voting for this, have no idea how the process works or that there are already checks and balances and guardrails in place by the court. The court oversees almost everything Ginger does, as far as who's used, what's used, when it's used, the audits, who is cleaning, who is cleared to do this. So maybe a little bit of homework before agenda items are thrown up to demolish, positions that are not currently funded and that we have no money for. Just a thought as well. If we're gonna be up here, we might as well do our job. And if you have been in office and have had these questions for the past three years, again, goes back to timing. Why now? It's very questionable. And like mister Runyon said, if this was done to your position, how would you feel? Education of the process. Like I said, money going into the general fund. We've already witnessed the general fund and other funding being mismanaged, so that doesn't really leave a warm fuzzy that the estate is gonna be handled properly, depending on who is appointed or who is hired under each different political priority that is hiring said position if it was no longer elected. It it does require public trust, transparency, and accountability, and answers directly to the citizens whom would be voting for said position if left elected. The public has a voice, and that voice is already being heard currently, and it's only gonna get stronger and worse. Hearsay that this office has done this in the past and this office has done that. Thank you very much.

Voice Yhear it at 4:42:09

Come on down and punt, please.

Voice Zhear it at 4:42:16

My name is Laura need this higher. My name is Lorelei Schwartzwalter. It's s c h w a r t z w a l t e r. I was gonna reiterate everything everybody else has said except they have not said the one thing I have experience with. I have lived here since 1991, and all my family has died here. I have seen what past public administrators have done. But my husband passed away in '21, and Ginger was a prosecutor a a public administrator. Sorry. It's still a touchy thing for me. She was wonderful. I don't know who you've all talked to. I have been here for a very long time. But she has integrity and honesty and a directness that I so appreciated. It did not go in my favor because she follows the law. And the way my husband thought that he wrote up his will and what he intended was not what he said. So she had to follow what the law said for what he said, not what he meant. And a lot of people don't understand that. My friends didn't. They all told me that I needed to do something else. She was right. Keep her in office.

Voice Yhear it at 4:43:56

Thank you. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Yhear it at 4:44:02

Come on down and prompt, sir.

Voice B2hear it at 4:44:06

Good afternoon, board. My name is Jeffrey Dye, d y e, Pahrumpian and small business owner here in town. Through my business, I work through the estate process pretty fairly. This year alone, we've lost about seven clients to passing and about three to guardianship because of dementia and Alzheimer's. I don't believe anybody truly understands the process that needs to happen through the estates process. First off, there are going to be things that weigh on the cost of your estate. If somebody passes away, it's about a $5,000 remediation fee to make that house sellable if you find them in the first twenty four hours. After that, the cost greatly appreciates. One of the things I didn't like hearing was your first comment, mister Boscovich, that there are real estate agents and title people not getting business. We're talking about the families who have lost people close to them. I don't care who's getting business or not. I wanna make sure that it's handled properly. If you want an audit of the office, absolutely, you deserve that. But if you're thinking that the probate attorneys and the probate judges cannot offer you at least insight to find out which of these families actually know where something has gone wrong versus I had a client whose son was upset because his father was worth a $150,000 less than he thought. Well, his dad spent a $150,000 on the divorce lawyer for his son. He never told him that, but that sounds like a complaint that could come up in general conversation. If you wanna bring up complaints against the office, how much research have you done? Have you talked to your probate judges and reviewed those files to start slinging the accusations in the conversation? But, also, we do have to talk about the fact that we are here to protect the voting rights of Parrumpians, which all too often, this board of county commissioners has moved forward at reducing the opportunity for Pahrumpians while not looking at the fiscal responsibility in the conversation. The fees for the trustee or the administrator, they're set by the state. Unless you get 11 to $12,000,000 to pass through that office, you cannot finance it without going into the county fund. And guess what? There are trust attorneys in this town. There are people like me who are doing everything they can to make sure that their clients do not wind up with the public administrator. Not because they don't do a great job, but because family can do it better. But whenever family can't be there or simply there is no family left, it is nice to know that it is an appointed position. Because you also mentioned about getting NCSO in there for review. Let's talk about cost. Whenever you have a public administrator running her own fund, making sure NCSO is there and paid versus now I've got a county employee running as the administrator, and you're gonna have NCSO there and paid, who's more likely to create a conflict of interest in that conversation?

Voice Yhear it at 4:47:08

Thank you. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please? No, chair. Come on up, Linda.

Voice C2hear it at 4:47:20

Linda Clark, CLARK. This is obviously not a very pleasant conversation for anybody, and I feel sorry for anybody that has to be involved in it. I do not and want not for any of you or any of your appointees to have anything to do with anybody's estate. You can't handle our county. You put us in debt. Why would I wanna charge you with my estate? Absolutely no. As far as Ginger and whoever else wants to run against it, Bill, It's an election. Why should we be robbed from the point of an election that we already were planning on and probably already voted on? It's not right. And we don't want any more money coming out of our general fund. Do we, Zena? We don't have that money to take any money more money out of. It's just common sense. I'm hoping that somebody around here has some or can at least find it somewhere. Why you wanna do this? I don't understand. Again, we don't wanna give it to you or anybody you appoint.

Voice Yhear it at 4:48:31

We don't trust you. Thank you. Thank you. Come on down in front, please.

Voice D2hear it at 4:48:40

Good evening. My name is Alina McGough, m c g o u g h. As you know, we live in a very small town. So everybody has an opinion. Everybody says, oh, I don't like this person. I don't like that person. And I genuinely don't get involved in politics. I've been out of politics for a very long time in this town. At the end of the day, my result is this. When somebody starts saying ill foul things about other people, I look at them and say, have you taken the time to sit down and talk with them? Do you really know who that person is, how they are, and their being in general? Everything that was mentioned in the opening statement as to why you want to abolish this position came from, I feel a point of hearsay and accusations. My question is is has anyone gone to that office or any for the veterans office, to the guardianship office, to the public administrator office? Has anybody sat down with them and seen their policies and procedures? What things did happen before they took that position? What have they changed and how do they do things? As a resident, I feel that it is not fair that it is last minute as you guys have been beat up about. I feel that it's something that is being taken away from our right as these constituents to choose on. And I feel that information needs to be looked at. You guys need to do your homework. Do your research. And I'm not just speaking to you commissioners. I'm speaking to everybody in the Nye County. Do your research. Find out who's done what, how they handle things. I'm also an escrow officer here in Pahrump, and I have the the pleasure of working with Ginger and the families on these estates and when it goes into escrow to sell. I can tell you that Ginger and I put on a class every single year with local brokers and agents only. With leaving it to Nye County agents, keeping those Vegas agents out. I work with them on a daily basis. I love them. I have no hard feelings against them. But she's choosing to keep that business local for our community. Doing a class, learning what the NRS statutes require, what the court orders require, everything else from a title standpoint, manufactured homes, liens, everything that needs to be addressed during a probate situation and during the sale of a property. There's so much involved in that. So I just ask everybody to sit, take a look at this, think about this. Don't jump to an assumption based on hearsay. Do your own research. Sit down with these different offices before you guys make an informed decision. Thank you. Thank you. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please? Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice E2hear it at 4:51:44

Amanda Dickerson, d I c k e r s o n. Just for public awareness and to touch a little bit on the subject of the real estate side, there is an annual class which I've attended for the past several years, which is conducted by the NCPA regarding the probate process, the roles and responsibilities of NCPA, and there are many real estate agents and different brokerages in attendance. And properties are assigned at that time to all the participating agents, and they continue on the rotating roster. There are very few requirements for participate for participation. Agents must be a local perm realtor, and their brokers required to attend the class. This seems almost like an election attack. I think the BOCC should definitely revisit the situation at a later time and get some of the real facts, not the hearsay. Thanks.

Voice Yhear it at 4:52:42

Thank you. Come on down and prompt, Tom.

Voice F2hear it at 4:52:50

I'm glad so many people spoke ahead of me because I can delete half of my content. My name is Tom Waters, w a t e r s. I asked Ginger, what the commissioners thought when they came by our office. She stated that none of the commissioners have ever visited her office. So I ask each commissioner, how can he have transparency without communication? It's tough. Here's a fact. There's no one in Nye County, besides Ginger, who can effectively take care of the families who have lost a loved one in the case that we've been talking about all day. I consider myself a fast learner, and I'm pretty intelligent. But I nor anyone else can learn the public administrator's job while trying to do the job without being detrimental to the waiting families trying to get through a mountain of paperwork, to get through the mourning process until they bury their loved one. Anyone who tells you that they can step in this job without being detrimental to the county and to the families is taking and talking fantasy. The public administrator handles the states of people who die without a will or executor, especially when there is no known heirs. Here are some facts about the 17 counties in Nevada and how they deal with the public administrator's position. Of the 17 counties, 11 have elected public administrators, and six use a clerk or the district attorney. Let's look at those. They vote for you have 11 that vote for vote that vote every four years for the county public administrator. Clark County, we've got over 2,000,000 people. Churchill County, Douglas County have 50,000 people. Echo, Elko County, Esmeralda, Eureka, Lyon, Mineral. Knight County has 57,000 people, the fifth largest county in the state. Pershing and Washoe County has half a million people. Those are the 11 that have elected public administrators. Then you have the six. Carson City, they've got 59,000 people. They use the clerk as the public administrator. You have Humboldt County, Lander County, Lincoln County, Storey County, and White Pine County. They all use the district attorney as the public administrator. When you think about all of this, we don't want Nye County to go backwards. We have somebody that's doing an outstanding job. We have people who have voted for that person that's worked there for ten years. I say, let's leave it alone. You've heard what everybody else has said. Yes. Get rid of this. You can fix what you think is wrong. There's so many ways to fix it. And I think one of the ways of doing Thanks, that Tom. Is communication.

Voice Yhear it at 4:55:55

Thank you. Come on down, Tammy.

Voice G2hear it at 4:56:02

Tammy Pittman, p I t m a n. This is not a glamorous job. There's not enough fixed VapoRub in the world that would allow me to go to a into a house after somebody had been sitting there deceased for days. We're in the middle of a hiring freeze, been has been noted. So where would we get the money? The audit was ordered. I have not seen any results, but it would be nice to see an audit. But the candidates have invested their own money into their campaigns, and people in the county have put money into their campaigns and their efforts all in good faith. So I think the timing is a bit unethical. And I think you could do yourself a lot of favors if you had a workshop once a year on how to do a will and have everybody attend because then you could make this position go away. We need people to know they need wills, and that would help a lot.

Voice Yhear it at 4:57:11

Thank you. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please? No chair. Come on down and put up, please.

Voice H2hear it at 4:57:23

Hello. My name is Denise Arceo, a r c e o. I don't come talk to the in these things. The last one was for chickens. Go chicken law. Anyways, I am a big fat no on this. When you had said, Ron, commissioner Ron, about the cam, if you watch US cops, you see they have cameras on them, that the sheriff's department stays with them, that they put a sticker across to block everything. They show you everything on that. So maybe you might wanna take a Saturday and watch that, but they give you information. I just find that it's very, very frustrating that I already voted, and then you guys are trying to do this. It's very frustrating. You know, I just I think that the timing is horrible on this. It should have went through patterns on stuff with the amount of money that audits cost. I do know because I worked in an automobile dealership and it wasn't cheap to do an audit. Timing on stuff needs to be done. So I think that this really does need to be tabled and that it needs to be looked at at a later time. You know, go over the things that you need to do this. But to take away somebody that's our vote and then put somebody in there that you're gonna pay is absolutely ridiculous when we're already in the red with everything. Thank you. Thank you. Come on down, sir.

Voice I2hear it at 4:58:52

Robert Jones, j o n e s. I'm a former public sprint administrator for the county as well as a former department head. I was a facilities manager for ten years. I've been listening to everybody today. I'm last in line for a reason. I agree with what most of them have said today. I don't think you realize it's not a big big moneymaker for the public administrator's office. I know probably 75% of the estates that I handled for the four years I was the public administrator, there wasn't even enough money to pay me at first call. I think I had four cases in four years that actually paid me any kind of money at all. And I know Ginger has some cases, but they're all on a percentage. Even if it's a million dollar estate, if you jack that up to the 4% that she collects on the first $15,000 she would only make $40,000 on a million dollar estate. And she doesn't make anywhere close to that, I know. I'm not sure why you think that you should take this under the county, but I can tell you for certain as a former administrator and a former department head in this county that you'll be bleeding money out of it because you will be having a whole department. This is not a one man job. There's a lot you don't understand about it. And it's just crazy for you to even think about taking this on. You're going to be bleeding money. You're not going to make money on it, I can assure you.

Voice Yhear it at 5:00:56

Thank you, sir. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please? No, chair. We're going close public comment, and I want to address a couple things real quick. First of all, this is nothing personal for me against Ginger or or Bill or anyone else. So much so that I would be willing whoever won this election, June 9, to offer them the contract first under the umbrella of the county with oversight and transparency. There's that. None of this would be this way had the audit been provided. Secondly, this was legally reviewed by Brian. Thirdly, it would not be a county employed position. It would be a contracted position, and it would completely self fund itself just like it does now. The effective date, if there were a motion, could be made twelvethirty onetwenty twenty six. Yeah. So I'm going to leave any I'm not going to go into I'm not going to go into a whole lot of things that people have said or that I've witnessed myself. I've had complaints that there's an impound yard over on Money Street, which is not legally able to exist because it's not registered with the DMV. I've been told there's no business license for the town of Pahrump. I mean, there's just all kinds of things. But again, it is not personal. I I want the transparency. I want the oversight. And I really, you know, I wouldn't care at all. Whoever won the election, first dibs at the contract because it comes with oversight and transparency. So that's what I have. Commissioners, what else? Bring it on. Whatever I just want to interject one thing.

Voice J2hear it at 5:03:10

The effective date's only for noticing purposes. There's a requirement. That's where the twenty second date comes in. But the actual effective date would have to be before the general election. So couldn't be '12 '31, but I just wanted to The current public administrator, even if he did anything with this, still would finish out their term Finish their total term. Which is December 31.

Voice Yhear it at 5:03:36

Anyway, that's where I'm at. Go ahead. Do you have anything, commissioner? I

Voice K2hear it at 5:03:44

yeah. Yeah. I moved here five years ago. This is kinda weird, but and here I sit up here. But what the good thing about moving here five years ago is that I'm really not part of whatever. There's fights I've walked into, and I wasn't even aware. It's like being the new kid in school. I don't know the administrator. I don't have a history here. That gives me a great deal of objectivity that I I bring to this this job, and I I really try very hard and pray that that I bring it to this job. And so when I look at this, you know, I can see both sides. It was particularly negative, which is very odd. It it just is really what was weird to me just seeing all that really personal sort of and and no one's been attacked in this room more than me, honestly, by people sitting up here. And I'm not turning to them and, you know, screaming at them or grabbing their neck or whatever. So or or calling them names. So that's just weird to me, and that just gives me pause. It gives me a tremendous amount of pause when I see something like that. I I do know that we asked for an audit. I understand it's really expensive. And if you're doing a job, you're like, hey. How about $20,000 for an audit? You know? Boy, that's it's got a lot of money to do. I I get it. You know, I go back to the objection. I wanna make a just a comment on this in a minute as far as voting purposes, but for myself or supporting purposes. But going back to the objections that were stated, and if the attorney wants to if you wanna correct me if I'm wrong, please, I I don't wanna deprive anyone, and not that I legally have to do that, but I I don't wanna deprive anyone of their ability to speak. I really don't, especially on something like this. Again, this wasn't something that I I did. I didn't write this up or calendar this. But the objections of the the term ending thing, it it seems very weird to me because it says in the law that they're entitled to serve out the risk. So no one's suggesting that we're going to go contrary to state laws. It's just a weird thing to bring up. Everyone's so concerned about the financial well-being of the county, and I appreciate that. It's just I've never seen so many people more concerned with the financial well-being of the county than in this room today. And it's appreciated. I get it. But it's just still it is a little weird. This particular administrator was appointed, by the way. It's like it's kind of interesting. Everyone's like, well, you got to be elected. Well, this one was appointed. And and and we have won subsequent elections. Get it. But to say that you're against appointment is strange because this one's appointed. So many people in office were appointed at the beginning. I've always had a problem with that. I like special elections, but unfortunately, don't do enough of that. There's never a good time to do this. I just don't know what people people will say or imply that they're saying, well, you know, I'd support this, but just not right now. And okay. I mean, I guess that makes sense. But right now, we're in this holding pattern where we can't get for whatever reason, and I'm not blaming the current administrator, we can't get the the audit, so we don't know whatever the audit is that we're statutorily allowed to have. Okay. So when do we get that? Well, whenever. And then an attorney called us up and then wrote this three page thing and kept writing a new one every couple days. Now he has another objection that happened since yesterday from when he wrote the last letter. That's fine. But, again, it's like with our DA who's not here. One of the things that I butted heads with him quite a bit at the beginning, and some of it you could see here. And I just kept telling him, like, this is not personal. This is just looking This at things. I don't look at the players in the field. I look at the field, and I look at, you know, what's going on here. When I came in here, I felt like the DA had a lot of implied power that shouldn't have been there. And we still I'm glad he's not here, so he doesn't cut in. But I I I still think the the DA has a lot of implied power that maybe is a little bit more than the power the office itself should have. So when I look at this, I really don't look at the in individuals. Everyone's trying really desperately to drag this into purse personal personality stuff, but I don't even see that here. So when I see the objections as they are and this is where if the attorney wants to jump in, I'd I'd welcome that. And if not, that's fine too. The objections seem to be the term ending, which is, as a matter of law, this is already decided. I don't I don't really know what what that how that's an objection. The the financial well-being of the county, I mean, suppose that I read that and and I appreciate that. And the argument is that, well, you know, you put this person in here and they won't make any money. And then you and then you'll be bleeding money. Okay. I'm but I mean, I'm assuming you're not working pro bono. Right? You were hired? No. I'm being paid. You're being paid. Okay. So someone has money to pay an attorney. I mean, I'm just looking at it like, I don't think this you know, obviously, you can you know, someone's making money. The volunteers, it's just a little weird. I I gotta be honest with you. Volunteer deputy, unpaid deputies is, I don't know what that is. I've never heard of such a thing. I mean, it's great if people want to do that, but it's, you know, and again, as an appraiser, I go into homes and I've said this many times here before I go into homes for U. S. Treasury when certain people like, this might be happening soon here, and I'll deny that one opportunity. When they go to federal prison for, you know, money laundering I got a lot of those in 2021, 'twenty two. And you have to go through these steps where you get access to the property, and and it's a little weird. And you go in, and it looks like a crime scene in there because it was a crime scene. There's clothes on the floor and things like that. And it's a little freaky. So, you know, I I understand what the process is. I get it, you know, basically. So that being said, I I guess I and I'm not holding that against anyone in what I'm saying, but I'm trying just desperately to address the concerns. I would not support something like this if it didn't allow for whoever won this election to be appointed. I would I would want that. We cannot have any kind of oversight in this position the way it's written in the law now. We can't do it. Some people have said that as well, you know, just get to just get together and, you know, sit down and figure out what kind of oversight you can. We can't even, know, we just asked for an audit, and then an attorney showed up and said, hey, we're going sue you if you keep asking for an audit. Okay? We can't do that. And that's fine. I'm not even faulting anyone, but that just doesn't seem to be an option. So we have to look at the law. The law has been set up however it has been set up. So I would not I would not be supportive unless we we somehow ensured that the winner of this election was appointed. I I would want the person protected so that they aren't yanked out of the position. I that does mean something to me. It it does. And that's the same reason I'd oppose furloughs for anyone in this county. I don't want people being penalized. There is never a good time to do this. So that takes care of the let the voters choose that everybody keeps repeating. And I get I agree. Let the even though it's appoint this was appointed first. Voters did not choose this person, by the way. That's incidental, but it is an interesting point. Let the voters choose. I agree. So that's where I'm at. I I I would like to see oversight in something like this because I think that people deserve oversight in such a fragile and such a vulnerable position. So I don't know exactly what maybe Commissioner Jabbour is thinking of something. I also like to hear what he has to say, and maybe if you have something or someone else has something say it. But that's where I'm at right now, at least in my in my mind. Do you have anything to respond to on that? It just to close me out.

Voice K2hear it at 5:10:54

speak at the pleasure of the commission if you want me to. I want you to speak at the pleasure of your client since you're here as a as an attorney. Right? I am. Oh, there you go. Try try doing that. So the letter that I sent to the county

Voice L2hear it at 5:11:05

didn't say, I'm not gonna we're not gonna do an audit. What it said was, we read the statute, and the statute says you made the request in 2026. So then it's due on or before 03/01/2027. And we said you will get your audit on or before 03/01/2027. That's what my response was back in January. I didn't say we weren't gonna provide you with a Ginger's also spoken here today and said that she's given you 40 different accountings quarterly since she's been the public administrator. Also, they can cover offer to cover the cost. Here's the thing. I don't know who the gentleman was that spoke that said he's a CPA and everything else, But I venture to say, because I know my CPA, if I called him a week before April 15 and told him I needed an audit of several 100 files,

Voice K2hear it at 5:12:07

I would get charged way more than $20. Well, you probably wouldn't expect to have an attorney return the Ray, you wouldn't expect that as attorney. If you called someone and said, okay. An attorney calls back, hey. Let's talk about this audit. I got my attorney on the phone. You can understand how that's a different response than you'd expect. I'm I'm talking talking about about calling the CPA. I'm all for attorneys. But when you ask somebody whose whose job it is to provide an audit and then an attorney calls back, you can see with my point. Right? Because it's a A little confrontational. No. Well It's not confrontational? It's not. Okay. Well, that's fine. I see. We don't agree on that one. I think if you we did a poll, I'd probably end up being on the majority side of the poll, but that's fine. We can disagree. If

Voice L2hear it at 5:12:43

you're interpreting a statute and putting your interpretation on paper like I've done It's not a statute. Like I've done with this letter and like I've done with letter in January, I put my name to it. I said that that's what I think. If you disagreed

Voice K2hear it at 5:13:00

That's not that was not reasonable. Write a letter and say, no. You're wrong. It's due on this day. You're not you're not listening to we're having a different you're answering a question that wasn't asked. I'm telling you if you ask someone for something and in response, they didn't give the response. Their if I asked Ron for something and his attorney called and said, hey. This is Ron's attorney. I'm gonna give you that answer. Within hours. You know, that's a little weird. And you're saying, oh, no. That's perfectly fine. That makes sense, and I just disagree and that you didn't write that. So and that's not a legal interpretation.

Voice L2hear it at 5:13:26

Is it? And and so somebody, especially a public official, is not entitled to hire an attorney. Is that what you're telling everybody? That's what you're saying is that you get a letter from the county Thank you. As a public official. I'm not here. Thank you. The other comment is that I'd like to address is this. Sir?

Voice Yhear it at 5:13:48

Sir? Invited me to respond to And now he's cut it off. Okay. Commissioner Jabbour, do you have what do you have for us? Thank thank you.

Voice M2hear it at 5:13:56

Thank you, Chair. I will be quick. I was on the record by identifying myself as this is Commissioner Gibor for the record. And I appreciate everybody's feedback because I think we were on the same page, just said a little differently. And so before you ask for a motion and call for the vote, I would please ask everybody to consider all of the information, all of the facts that were presented. And if there are problems and issues, we have to prove them. And once proven, we find solutions and allow this election to go forward. That's my opinion. And thank you for recognizing me a second time.

Voice K2hear it at 5:15:01

Thank you, sir. Can I make a quick point? Nothing can stop this election. The ballots are printed. There's we can't say, you know, stop the election. We're not going it's going happen one way or

Voice Yhear it at 5:15:10

I don't know how much Excuse

Voice M2hear it at 5:15:12

me, chair. Yeah. Excuse me. When I say allow the election to happen, allow this position to move forward as an elected position one way or the other, it's going to be one of two people. And if we discover that there's issues, let's find those solutions and prove those issues, not just by hearsay. We have to prove them.

Voice Yhear it at 5:15:40

Thank you. Speaker Commissioner Koenig or Strickland, what do you have? Anything? All right. I'm ready for a motion if there is one.

Voice Yhear it at 5:16:01

Allowing it to move forward with whoever wins. Having a contract.

Voice N2hear it at 5:16:06

That's a good trade off. It really is because the contract would give the oversight. Yep. Which we will not have if we don't. That is actually a really good idea.

Voice Yhear it at 5:16:18

That way the voices of the voters are still heard and the oversight and transparency is still there.

Voice N2hear it at 5:16:24

And we can end up with a great administrator that we currently have, just the oversight that we're lacking. That's actually a good idea. I agree. Yeah. They would get to vote. The people would decide, and then we'd go to contract. So the people the people would decide. Yep. Right? Yep. Agreed. So the people would decide by vote, and the person who won goes to contract under the county. Yep. So we have oversight. Order.

Voice N2hear it at 5:17:05

That's what that's what's been suggested.

Voice Yhear it at 5:17:19

Is iconic about Deborah's thought? I think the easiest one is what we just talked about. It solves that.

Voice M2hear it at 5:17:48

It's about to die for a lack of emotion. Are

Voice Yhear it at 5:17:53

you making a motion?

Voice K2hear it at 5:17:56

I'll make motions, but I would only support if she if the winner and we're assuming it's her. I mean, there's an election. So if this I I I said my,

Voice N2hear it at 5:18:05

my piece. I would like order, though. I mean, is really Yeah. This is really weird. I'd to able to hear you speak. Yeah. Because you guys are not being in order. We can't hear each other. Can you please? Thank you.

Voice K2hear it at 5:18:18

Now I would support it if in the event that the the because the objections from the people themselves said it, let the peep the voters choose. I want that. I want voters to decide who gets a contract. My only concern is that the contract will be yanked from the person. I don't like that, but I don't know how to guarantee that. Maybe if it's a a contract and depending on perpetuity, you can't do that. But contract for a specific time, maybe four years, you know, I don't know. That's your that's your. I don't see a difference between this being appointed for four years. Originally, it was appointed. Right. So we appointed it here. This board appointed this person in 2018, and then four years later, they ran. And everyone's saying, well, it's it's good. It's just not the right time. You know, if you do it next week, I'd be fine with So if we did this now, but had a four year contract, as long as that was in the in the motion and it was the winner of the election, I I don't see any I don't see any difference. Is that a motion? No. I I would just make the motion because it's not a motion. I just wanna see that. I don't like I don't make motions. Everybody knows. You don't

Voice N2hear it at 5:19:16

make you have to make motions. You can make a motion. You're allowed. You refuse to make motions. Chair,

Voice M2hear it at 5:19:22

may I ask you a question? Yeah. Go ahead. So I'm following Commissioner Bain. Commissioner Bain, question, sir, is this: If you were to move forward with that motion, how does this solve the allegations of any any issues at all that have come up and surfaced.

Voice K2hear it at 5:19:45

Well, my understanding to be proven. Arena. I I could be wrong, and and maybe this is where that happens. I don't I don't know. But I I know that we do not have any oversight in elected capacity. We just don't have that cut off. In the event that this become a contract position, we will be able to build in oversight. I don't know what that would look like, and no one's guaranteeing that there's no oversight, certainly. But there would be oversight in a contract position. That would have to be something that people who know more about me would have to figure that out and what that is. But it does seem clear that going back well before this person was appointed in 2018, there were issues. And like I pointed out many times, in the last fifteen what? Ten years, we've had 15 public officers in this county who were arrested, charged, thrown in jail, ethics problems. You've got a sitting Republican Party chairman who's going up for money laundering in a couple weeks or something or months. I mean, it's crazy. Crazy. And so I think point of point of order, please. Point of work. You know what? I'm not going to continue if if we're going to not control this. I want to. I'm not going to continue. I really am not.

Voice Yhear it at 5:21:10

I'm going to make the motion as stated by Commissioner Bain, which was whoever wins this election on June 9 or what I assume it was their it's over. Whoever officially wins will be offered the contract for this position for four years and with the oversight and the transparency that comes with being under the umbrella of the county. Lorena, am I missing anything?

Voice O2hear it at 5:21:54

No. If this is adopted, we would have some work to do to create the trust fund and identify other financial methods, but that doesn't need to be part of the motion.

Voice Yhear it at 5:22:10

So my other question for the DA is I was told when this first came up that it had to happen now because of the election prior to the election. So if we were or do we have the option of tabling this and talking about it more, or is this it and then we're done for four years starting next January?

Voice P2hear it at 5:22:33

I was not part of that discussion. So I don't know what led up to that determination. So I I there I'm sure there was a reason that was thought out. Lorena, do you know the answer to that one? The advice was given. I could, you know, research it very quickly, But I would need I don't want to put you on the I'd need about half hour.

Voice Yhear it at 5:23:08

Not to put you on the spot, Lorena, but do you know the answer to whether or not we have to do this today or if it can be tabled and thought over and maybe even met?

Voice O2hear it at 5:23:20

My understanding is of the opinion that we did receive from our district attorney. The Office of Public Administrators abolished prior to the general election, the position will not exist, and the winner of the general election is not entitled to a new four year term. They will fulfill their current term.

Voice Yhear it at 5:23:40

But hold June 9 is the primary. Do we have to do this to General. No, General. Or do we have time to work on this potentially even with Their either. Their term ends the first, according to the DA,

Voice J2hear it at 5:23:55

the first Monday in January. That is when the new term would start. But the general election is obviously gonna determine who starts that term,

Voice K2hear it at 5:24:08

not the primary. Yeah. The primary has no no bearing on this. Don't think that's correct. So

Voice Yhear it at 5:24:14

here's what I'm gonna suggest. When I asked for the audit, I was met with the attorney, or we were, so that illegally prohibited me from talking to them. That's right. That's right. So when I met up with Tom Waters the other night and we chitchatted, I'm like, you know, dude, I just want the transparency and the audit so we know that people are being taken care of properly. That's I'm not asking too much. It's NRS. It's not me, and it isn't us. To be met with an attorney and told basically to f you, that's not cool. Hold, please. I didn't say you did. No. No. Being met with the attorney from your letters and being told the county told f u about the audit.

Voice L2hear it at 5:25:14

That was what was said. I was not so inarticulate to use anything of the sort of f you. I said you What part of I did not say you did? Care. You untimely That's out of order. Out of order. Please. Please. Stop. You're telling me. Please. Sir,

Voice N2hear it at 5:25:29

sit down or I have to have you removed. I'll have a sheriff remove you. Please. We need to we need to talk without your input, please.

Voice Yhear it at 5:25:46

Anyway, that's where we are on this situation. Had we had had what we needed provided been provided, we wouldn't be here. And again, if we can get beyond this and just have the transparency and the oversight that we need without being met with a bunch of angry people because we're asking for transparency and oversight for decedent's families? This is absurd that I'm even having to explain this.

Voice K2hear it at 5:26:20

May I Oh. Is is there any way to get some kind of a summary, nonconforming, what is it, audit from from the administration office at some point in the next three months? Is that is that possible? Can anybody answer that question in the room?

Voice N2hear it at 5:26:43

Sorry. Do you want him to respond? I I prefer to hear from someone that's actually doing the job. Respond, please, to his question. Oh my gosh.

Voice K2hear it at 5:26:58

Is that is that a possibility? I've been trying to I'm trying to solve this Please, Thank you, madam. I appreciate that for you doing this. I'm sorry.

Voice A2hear it at 5:27:04

For the public that is online and who knows here, this is Ginger Simpson, s I m p s o n, your current public administrator. And I will clarify for those that don't know, this process started with nasty email threats from this board and the commissioner's manager, assistant manager, don't start. I have the emails. My attorney has emails. Everybody was in the email saying, you need to do this. So I looked I never heard of this thing. Never saw this. Don't even know anything about this. So I looked up the ordinances. I can't understand this stuff. I'm not a lawyer. So I tried to reach out to you several times, and Lorena even emailed back, said, I don't know. I'll have to get back to you on that as well. So I reached out and hired an attorney to read the statute that you put oh, sorry. Not you. None of you up there put this thing in place in 2015 and enacted in 2016. So I asked an attorney to read it who does this stuff on a regular basis, and that's when he said it's improperly done. And that's when you came back and you put it on the agenda after you got the letter, which no one ever reached back out to my attorney to even say, we're gonna redo this the right way, and then we'll put it on the agenda and vote for the audit, which is what you did finally after the fact. Your ordinance says you are to notify me of an audit requested on or before January 1 for the preceding year. If you wanted 2026 or 2025, you needed to let me know by January 1 per your own code. So I'm making sure through my attorney that I follow your code to the law, which says I have to provide it to you 03/01/2027. Now there is no NRS, wherever people are getting that says the public administrator will personally pay for it. The NRS, we also went over with my attorney, says the county commissioners can determine how it's going to be paid. How you're reading that could be general fund, financial fund, wherever you wanna get your money from to pay for an audit. That's what it says. The Nye County Commissioners in 2015 said, we're gonna make public administrator pay for it. That is not a law. The Nye County code is not a law. The law left it vague. So we're trying to figure that out. Do I have a problem with an audit? Absolutely not. Every single case let me finish We listen to you. No. I understand. So every single case is audited by the families, the attorneys, the judges. Every single one of them. Every single case is listed on my report to you. If you didn't see it, that's not my problem. Everybody else did. So why have you never come to me and asked me? Obviously, this is coming out of somewhere. So where is it coming from? Is it people telling stories? Is it people that are upset on Facebook and some apps? I get it. People don't like the law. I don't like the law half the time, but I guess what? I'm gonna follow it. So if so is if Susie Smith is upset because her daddy didn't leave her the car because daddy had a bill that was owed to the state of Nevada, then that's what has to happen, and I'm the bad guy. So if you're believing all that and then you're not one of you not one of you has ever come to my office and asked me. Not one of you has ever asked to see a file. Maybe start there before you turn around and start bashing me, making it personal on me. You started this, not me. I simply wanted to follow the law because that's what I've done for ten years. Everything is to the law, which is why I had to hire an attorney because no one could give me an answer. Not even Lorena could give me an answer. So I hired an attorney, and that answer said, I have to you have to do it the right way. And instead of keep going on, let's figure this out, not one of you reached out to the attorney. The next thing you did is it's on the agenda. We're gonna abolish this office. Does that not look like retaliation? This is something that has never come up. I didn't know it existed. You didn't know it existed. Somebody brought it to you. Something that was done in 2015,

Voice K2hear it at 5:30:42

I took place in August 2016. Okay. Can I see ever sent it? Just very quick. So could you turn off your microphone? Do you mind? Just can I just talk just for a second without people interjecting because everyone's mad for some reason? Is it possible so we don't is it possible I have learned about this a couple days ago. I'm not sitting here. Do I I didn't I didn't know any of this. I this has dropped on me, and I'm just trying to navigate this. I I don't know you. I have nothing against you. I just I and I fight these people more than you do. I guarantee you. Every single person up here, I have fought far more than you have. And the 15 people on Facebook, hate me with the 25 fake accounts of each of them. I I get that too. Trust me. And probably some in the room here. So my question for you, is there a way that you and I could just kinda work together in the next month or two just to find something? Is there something we could do to try to just present something like informal thing that we can work on that doesn't cost you money? Would you be willing to do that? That's I'm willing to do that. The other thing is that's again what my attorney wrote in the letter back in March. I didn't see the letter. I'm sorry. There's a lot of stuff on my desk. Hey.

Voice A2hear it at 5:31:43

I wanna audit. I

Voice K2hear it at 5:31:45

Do you want an audit of this case? Do you want an audit of that case's counting? Do you want an audit of the balance of the checkbook? It changes do you want? I wasn't everyone hated me in March, so I wasn't talking to anybody. But, yeah, if you could could I talk to you? Could could we work can can we really do that? Can we maybe get together in the next maybe after the election, sit down and just figure out what we can present to this board? Do you have enough time to do whatever you wanna do if you wanna do it? Because I believe it's November, not June. I don't know where that came from. And so Opposed. Is that acceptable? Can can I work with her on this audit thing and just figure out what we can do? Is that acceptable to this board and to the administrator?

Voice A2hear it at 5:32:18

And my only thing is I do have an attorney that I'm paying for because I want everything by the law. So this whole, oh, we need to talk without an attorney. Why? Well, that's why you need talk to me without an attorney. Our problem is we're represented by the district attorney, and as soon as you hire no. Well, he is. There's a deputy district attorney.

Voice N2hear it at 5:32:37

The moment you mentioned We're gonna let

Voice K2hear it at 5:32:39

him talk. We don't get to talk. Are you okay with me talking to her and working through her or you or somebody? I just wanna try to fix this, and this is not gonna fix this if we keep doing whatever's going on. She's an elected official. You guys are elected officials. Okay. You're okay. Sure that there's a conference room big enough to hold her, me, you Okay. Whole boy I I will take you up on it. Mister Richardson. I will take you. Can I reach out to you in the the week after the election? I'm in the middle of doing a lot of things too with the election. Can I can I reach out to you within a week after? Is that acceptable to chairman to get some kind of a update and then maybe calendar this for one of the 15 meetings we're just gonna randomly have in the next couple weeks or something like that. Don't know. All

Voice Yhear it at 5:33:16

I want is transparency and the reports. That's all. And since I've been here, Ginger, there's been at least several times that I have went to Sam and said, do we have the public administrator on the phone? Is that correct, Sam, or not? And I've been told no.

Voice A2hear it at 5:33:34

It's because she's been in court. Okay.

Voice Yhear it at 5:33:38

Not here with the reports, though. We didn't have the reports, did we? I still send the reports. Oh, they weren't They were sent. Distributed to me then. Chair? Yeah. Go ahead.

Voice M2hear it at 5:33:50

Excuse me. Just to clarify, the reports were always submitted under the public administrator. But because now we find out that the public administrator was in court, there was nobody to go over the reports with us for us to ask any questions, formally sitting as the EOCC. But the public administrator absolutely submitted reports to us in as agendized items.

Voice Yhear it at 5:34:24

All right. So there's that. And as far as why we're here today, again, I was told it had to be before it had to be right now. I don't care if we do it at all. I really don't. I just want the oversight to make sure that the families of these people are protected. And I have not accused you of anything. I've literally said I've lived through Red and Jeannie Dyer, and the shit they've done is off the charts. Never have I said that. In fact, I think I've only met you once, and Brett always liked you. I've never said a thing.

Voice K2hear it at 5:35:02

Mister chairman, do you wanna calendar this, or are we just leaving it a a dying, or how do you wanna do this? I will still reach if you want her Never. Me to, I'll reach out to her and try to get something. I'll tell you what. Let's put a place Or someone else can do it. It's fine with me too.

Voice Yhear it at 5:35:14

First meeting in second meeting in July.

Voice N2hear it at 5:35:17

How's that? Sounds good. Can I get a motion? Motion to table this until the second meeting in July. Second.

Voice Yhear it at 5:35:23

All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Moskovichai. That carries 50. Thank you. Good God. Next, whatever we are. County clerk is asking for comfort break, please. Speaker Yes, comfort break it is. Ten minutes. Serena, are you ready? Commissioner, are you ready too up there? Let's go to number eight. We're ready. Thank you. Thank you.

Voice Ahear it at 3:00:05

Item 07:10AM timed item for possible action, public hearing discussion and deliberation to adopt, amend and adopt or reject on Nye County Bill twenty twenty six -five, a bill proposing to adopt DA-twenty five-three, an amended and restated development agreement between Nye County and Adevin Development Inc. For Mountain Falls South and providing for the severability constitutionality and effective date thereof and other matters properly relating thereto.

Voice Bhear it at 3:00:39

Thank you for that. And staff, I will get you to lunch very quickly. I promise. And what I'd like to do is I'd like to I realize we're going to public hearing, but I'd like to make a motion to continue this item till 06:16 at 10AM in Pahrump.

Voice Chear it at 3:00:53

Second. Motion and a second on the floor for that.

Voice Dhear it at 3:00:57

Did we get a did we get the commissioners to have a meeting? I only received a response from me and two commissioners. I don't know if we'll have a quorum. I don't know if we'll have legal coverage, and I don't know if we'll have a clerk.

Voice Bhear it at 3:01:09

I'm in. Alright. Clerk, are you in?

Voice Bhear it at 3:01:14

Will you be available?

Voice Ehear it at 3:01:17

I will be available.

Voice Bhear it at 3:01:19

Thank you. Alright. I will be available. You'll be available. You guys will be available. Commissioner Jabbourg, are you available?

Voice Fhear it at 3:01:26

I'm good. 06/16

Voice Bhear it at 3:01:30

is our other scheduled meeting, isn't it? Eighteenth. The eighteenth because of canvassing the boat. It wouldn't be our normal scheduled meeting anyway. The eighteenth is for canvassing the boat. Is this Now, chair, that I need to make a correction. Our our second meeting

Voice Dhear it at 3:01:48

of the month was scheduled specifically for the eighteenth. There is no meeting scheduled at the on the sixteenth as of right now. Right. That's what we're That's what we're trying to work out. Not a regular meeting. Tuesday. Oh, it's the second. It's the third Tuesday. And there's

Voice Bhear it at 3:02:03

reasons also we need to do that. We have to do that. Yes. So I'm sorry. Did we No. Commissioner Jabbour, were you going to be available?

Voice Fhear it at 3:02:10

Just a quick piece instead of the twenty ninth or so?

Voice Fhear it at 3:02:17

are you suggesting that we have just this one item on the sixteenth at 10AM?

Voice Ahear it at 3:02:25

There'll be others. We we can move some of the other items that would have been on the eighteenth also, but we still have to have the meeting on the eighteenth for the clerk for canvassing.

Voice Chear it at 3:02:38

In essence, I like the eighteenth very short. Clause one moment, please.

Voice Ghear it at 3:02:50

Thank you. Chair, I've made a motion to

Voice Bhear it at 3:02:55

continue this side. I'm looking, if you don't mind, for a second.

Voice Chear it at 3:02:58

I'll second that.

Voice Bhear it at 3:03:01

Maybe John did. We have a motion and two seconds. We're not voting yet, but I want to let the public know that's what we're doing. Thank you. So let's do public comment,

Voice Chear it at 3:03:10

Sam, do we I'm sorry, Kiana. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 3:03:15

Anybody? Come on down, Mary Next chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Fhear it at 3:03:23

Hi. Tim Bohannon, b o h a n n o n. I just didn't hear rationale of the move by the time I'm good with it, but I I just didn't hear why. Thanks.

Voice Hhear it at 3:03:34

Go ahead, Maryann.

Voice Ehear it at 3:03:36

Maryann Hollis, h o l l I s. I went through the previous agreement side by side with the current amendments. And just two pages, number ten and eleven, of all the amendments screams the pimping of pahrump for this project and the personal positions with no regard for the burden on the limited medical and sheriff's department and our safety and well-being that the ongoing development will impact. Expecting expedited review just because you have deep pockets and you can pay for that or a dedicated resources for inspections because you have deep pockets to pay for that is unacceptable. And suggesting that there's a special cozy little room for all of this discussion to take place with inspections, said the spider to the fly. I'm glad that you have tabled this, and they'll be presented at a future date because those amendments are just unconscionable.

Voice Chear it at 3:04:45

Thank you. Thanks. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Hhear it at 3:04:49

No, chair. Come on up, Dwight. Here you go. Dwight Lilly, l I l l y. Yeah. I was hoping we'd hear this item today because I have about two hours I could speak on. For years, I spoke against continued development at Mountainfall only to be told that well, Dwight, you know, commissioners a long time ago went ahead and approved that monster out there, so we're just gonna live with it. Well, I don't have to just live with 5,100 and some homes going in. And a development agreement was was designed in 2005 that wasn't even adequate there then to deal with the issue. So I guess if you're gonna move it forward, I'll be prepared to address it going forward. But three minutes is never gonna be enough to talk against this monster out there, Same outfit out there. The adevent that took the state all the way to the supreme court while they were playing games with the water rights out there and had to forfeit, I believe, over a thousand acre feet of water. Now they're talking about water rights. Is this just a joke? How about we got 5,000 some more straws going into the valley out here? But we'll I'll address it then. I'll wait. Thanks. And I won't stop shutting up about it. Thanks, Sam. Do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 3:06:13

Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ihear it at 3:06:21

Hello, commissioners. Bruce Johnson, j o h n s o n. Looking across these consent items and the broader agenda, I think many residents are beginning to recognize that Dye County is entering a period of major transition. We are simultaneously discussing groundwater basin assessments, development and expansion, infrastructure projects, mining impacts, energy projects, code restructuring, administrative growth, long term planning decisions that will affect this county for decades. And because of that, the footing matters. The purpose of government is not merely administration, it is stewardship. Stewardship of public trust, stewardship of resources, stewardship of liberty, it's stewardship of long term future of the community. Water especially stands out as foundational. When groundwater assessments, large scale development, mining, energy, infrastructure, and possible future data center pressures all begin appearing within the same broader timeline, the public naturally begins to ask long term questions regarding sustainability and can cumulative impact. These are not unreasonable questions. They are responsible questions for people who care deeply about the future of Nye County. I also believe the county should recognize the growing concern regarding communication and transparency across multiple departments and issues. Residents are describing difficulty obtaining clear answers sometimes, meaningful dialogue, and workable remedy structure. Public confidence weakens when communication weakens and public confidence strengthens when government remains open, accessible and willing to involve the people early enough for participation to genuine worry matter. That is one reason the Nye County PIC committee has begun assembling, to encourage peaceful civil, civic participation, constitutional literacy, public understanding, and constructive dialogue regarding the future direction of this county. And I would encourage the residents themselves to read the Nevada constitution, study the common law foundations recognized in Nevada's early legal tradition, and become informed participants in local government. The very first law Nevada wrote was to accept common law. I'll close with scripture. Where no counsel is, people fall, but in the multitude of counselors, there is safety. Proverbs eleven fourteen. Public counsel matters, public participation matters, and stewardship matters. Path forward is not conflict. Path forward is clarity, accountability, honest communication with the people in Nye County. Thank you.

Voice Chear it at 3:09:20

Come on up in in Parum, please.

Voice Jhear it at 3:09:34

I hope that this comes up again very soon because that's a lot of water that'll be used on those 20,000 net acre feet of lots. Figuring about four people in a house that will be very hazardous to our water table. Thank you. Thank you.

Voice Hhear it at 3:10:00

Come on up, Linda.

Voice Ghear it at 3:10:04

I know you're drooling for lunch. I'll hurry. Linda Clark, CLARK. After we get through all this stuff, every meeting, I always say to myself, government for the people, by the people. We should have some say in all of this. Unfortunately, it seems like a lot of that's being taken away from us and it's wrong. Thank you. Sam, do we have anybody else, please? Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Khear it at 3:10:42

Yes. Amy Nelson, n e l s o n. I'm wondering where's the humanity on this board. It's, all these things that come up on the on on the agenda just seem to bypass people and how it affects other people, not just structures. We're not putting in 5,000 structures. We're putting in 5,000 buildings that will take away from the quality of the other people in Pahrump. This kind of structuring cannot continue. We cannot sustain it as two and a half times more than what we can really put up with now. So I know this is gonna be brought up in a future meeting. I'll be there, And I I hope that there's some forethought about people when you go into it. I I just wanna get you out to lunch. Thank you. Thanks.

Voice Chear it at 3:11:50

Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please? No, chair. Closing public. All right. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. That carries five-zero. Thank you. We're breaking. 03:00, we'll be back. Please.

Voice Chear it at 3:12:20

All right. We're ready. Let's do I've been asked by Serena, as kind as she is, to do twenty two, please. Or 24. I'm sorry. 24, please.

Voice Fhear it at 3:12:42

Yeah. I thought I was listening to The Wizard of Oz.

Voice Ahear it at 5:35:57

Number eight, 10AM timed item for possible action. Public hearing discussion and deliberation to adopt, amend and adopt or reject Nye County bill number twenty twenty six-six, a bill proposing to amend Nye County Code Title 15 titled Building and Construction by amending Section 15.16.10 titled International and Uniform Building and Construction Codes adopted by deleting the International Property Maintenance Code and by deleting in its entirety Section 15.16.015 titled Section G twenty eighteen International Property Maintenance Code and providing for the severability constitutionality and effective date thereof and other matters properly relating thereto.

Voice Bhear it at 5:36:51

Thank you. Who's,

Voice Chear it at 5:36:53

oh, hello, Steve. Good evening, commissioners. Steve Osborne, OSBORNE, planning director. So this, bill basically removes the IPMC out of Nye County code. I don't really have any more more to add to that and glad to answer your questions. This was because

Voice Bhear it at 5:37:18

when we did it, we didn't do it properly.

Voice Chear it at 5:37:22

Right. Last meeting, it was a direction to staff item,

Voice Bhear it at 5:37:27

but this is an actual Yep. Ordinance that will remove it out. Well, this is housekeeping to clean up one: what we had created last time. Speaker Correct. Okay. Let's open public comment. I hope there's not much or there shouldn't be, but come on up.

Voice Dhear it at 5:37:47

My name is Kenneth Martin, k e n n e t h m a r t I n. I am a peer recognized expert in the door and access systems industry. I work in standard development and serve on technical committees such as UL three twenty five and various ASTM technical committees. As outlined, I have brought a copy of my CV, if anyone would like a copy of that. My work focuses on ensuring safety and compliance in public spaces, particularly gates and doors, which are critical for protecting our residents and assets. I stand before you today to strongly oppose the removal of the property maintenance code from our ordinances. This code is not just a formality. It is a critical foundation for maintaining public safety, preserving property values, and showing the state that we can enforce and uphold recommended standards. Without it, we lose a vital tool that demonstrates we can manage growth and eventually pursue city development. I believe this code is vital for our future. In addition to the structural and aesthetic safeguards, doors and gates pose significant risk if not properly maintained. Statistics show that a large percentage of injuries, including crush injuries and falls, occur around improperly secured or maintained gates or doors. Without a property maintenance code, these risks would only grow, endangering residents and straining emergency services, thus keeping the code in place is vital to prevent avoidable harm and liability. Furthermore, removing the property maintenance code does not absolve property owners of their duty to maintain a safe environment. In fact, it removes one of the key tools they have to understand and meet those safety obligations. Without clear guidelines, owners may lack the framework they need to prevent hazards, making it harder to ensure everyone's well-being. I want to be clear. I'm not here to oppose progress, but rather to offer my expertise. I'm fully qualified and ready to assist in amending this code so that it balances enforcement with flexibility, allowing us to grow responsibly. And in conclusion, we rely on this commission and your stewardships to make decisions that protect and benefit our community. By keeping the property maintenance code in place, you are ensuring a safer, more resilient future for all of us. And God bless our nation, this commission, and

Voice Bhear it at 5:40:13

our wonderful community. Thank you. Thank you very much for that, sir. Come on down in Pahrump, please.

Voice Ehear it at 5:40:24

Are we on? Yep. You're on. Okay. I just want to say Oh, got spell your last name, please. Oh, I'm sorry. Daryl Wade, w a d e. Like, Wade in the water. There you go. Get rid of it. Table it. Don't table it. Get rid of it. Kick it out of this county. We don't need it. This will affect ninety nine percent of the population who's got an old garbage can or something in their field. We do not need it. We have the talent right here to take care of what we need done. Get

Voice Fhear it at 5:40:57

rid of it. Thank you, sir. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone? Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record. Oh, yes. Amy Nelson, n e l s o n. I say get rid of it. We don't need an OHO governing how we live on our property. I'm 80 years old. This year, we had a lot of weeds, and it took me a long time to afford someone to come here and help me get these weeds out of my yard, or I would not be in compliance. I I take great pride in my property. There's people that I know, like JV, that works on old cars, restores old Lamborghinis, restores old Porsches, and very valuable items, And he does that, you know, to make money to pay for his taxes and his living because he has no income thanks to policies like this. He can't afford to have a lot of things done, and I can't afford to have a lot of things done in a timely manner. So somebody might complain and say, oh, look at that trashy yard. And all of a sudden, I'm in a in a a a situation that cost me more money than I could afford, and I lose my property. This this item needs to be definitely we need to get rid of it. We don't need it. It causes harm to the majority of the people, and we don't live in an OHO. I don't care how much you do or what kind of line of work you're in. This has got to go. Thank you. Thanks, Sam. Do we have anybody else, please? Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ghear it at 5:42:57

Hello, commissioners. Bruce Johnson, jail at Desmond. I'd like to speak is for removing the international proper scope. Explain why from the endpoint of process, authority, public residents have come to feel that the IPFC framework has moved beyond addressing genuine health and safety concerns and into an area of subjective enforcement, administrative expansion, and inconsistent application. And when standards become be brought or unclear, the result is often confusion, conflict, and growing distrust between government. In my own experience involving the Oak Ridge matter, by the way, mister Chikwyn, it's has nothing to do with the pothouse. It's the 7200 Block Of Oak Ridge. Just ask Susan. She's got the code compliance site agents on it. And let's get together with the public works. Let's figure out the remedy, the solution. I'm still waiting for that meeting. So don't give me the phone. Call me. I want you to call me. Okay? You got the information, all the emails, and everything. Let's get this thing resolved. So I have seen firsthand how difficult it becomes when enforcement actions move forward without a clearly coordinated remedy structure, meaningful dialogue, or practical cooperation between departments and residents. And just to remind you all, the people own the jurisdiction over all of you, over every department, the people own the jurisdiction. K? Don't forget that. Don't laugh either because I'm getting reinforced that with some new notes that's coming up just so that everybody is on the right education here, and you guys can't come back and deny it. So his protect rights, property, liberty, and the public welfare with a redefined lawful limits.

Voice Ehear it at 5:45:11

It have been new to

Voice Ghear it at 5:45:13

concerns under limited county authority without relying upon structures that many residents feel disconnected from or unable to reasonably navigate. And you know what? Everybody needs to learn how to talk to their neighbor. Even when there is a problem at your neighbor's house, people need to have the courage to go to that neighbor and say, hey. Listen. We have a problem right here, and we need to get to a resolution. And when that resolution cannot be made, then you go to the alternative steps. And I want I'll land it there. Thank you for your time. Sam, do we have anybody else, please?

Voice Bhear it at 5:46:00

No, chair. Closing that out. Commissioners?

Voice Hhear it at 5:46:06

Now I have one question, Jeff. When this goes away, what do we use for plumbing code, mechanical code, electrical code?

Voice Ahear it at 5:46:17

Those remain in there. Those building codes remain in there. Just checking. Yeah. Thank you. Make a motion to

Voice Ihear it at 5:46:25

I have a quick question. It's not really a question of the statement. A lot of this stuff this is not like the I guess I'm just struggling to understand. The nuisance stuff, like, over on weeds, junk cars, that's not part of the building codes. So I'm just confused where like, what is this like, what's this gonna do? I'm just don't understand why people hate it. I guess I just don't because it someone said that had some kind of weird thing in there about constitutional. But anything that is contrary to the fifth, fourth amendment, you know, obviously, it gets stricken. So I I just what is it that's gonna change? I mean, I'm fine with voting for it. I'm just wanting to ask in a public forum.

Voice Chear it at 5:47:01

So as far as all of the nuisance type,

Voice Ihear it at 5:47:04

And that's not part of the international building club. So I'm just That's still covered under 17 o 4. Wait. That's my whole point. Is it's people are going, yeah. When that's gone, I'll be able to put stack 14 cars in my backyard. Like, that's not the truth. So I don't I don't wanna mislead people and think they can they can't stack. The other people are think they're gonna stack a bunch of cars in their backyard and let them on fire and dance or something, that's not the case. You can't do that. Not not in Pahrump. In Pahrump, that's still gonna be You can do that also. Gonna be outside. Go to Crystal if you're gonna do that. Right? Right. I'm kidding. I'm sorry. That's something that's true. Not the most humorous staff member. I'm sorry. I got a laugh out of you. Thank you. Alright. That's it. I so I so answer my question my initial question other than trying to get a laugh out of you was, what does it do? So it doesn't do what he's saying. Like, there's no there's no safety issue where this and I'm just curious if we can replace it with something that's not so, what, contentious with the public? Is there some kind of of an issue that you can see that will go away with this? Because I have no idea what it even is.

Voice Ahear it at 5:48:02

Well, I'll bring one up to you. You you yourself report burned out houses and abandoned homes or buildings that are unsecured. Yeah. Interproper international property maintenance code requires securing the property, requires, you know, blocking off doors, windows, and stuff to keep people out of a dangerous structure, albeit it still can be declared a nuisance. The process with our code is seventeen o four. Yeah. We can address it through co compliance and go through the love letter process. Yeah. It's still a nuisance. But to get it actually remediated, it still has to come to the board. Yeah. And so it takes a little bit of teeth out of those kind of situations.

Voice Ihear it at 5:48:54

Yes. It is considered overbearing when it comes to weed heights and stuff like Oh, so it's the it's the height. It's the specifics of it. Yeah. So the 17 is very vague. It says they'll be not be a nuisance. It's it's not this whole 17 inches high. So actually, may actually possibly make it worse because now you have no restriction. So now how are we to know that That is correct. Actually, now without the IPMC, any weeds could be considered a nuisance. Whereas before, the IPMC was protecting certain people. I don't believe seventeen o four covers weeds It does. In our nuisance. It actually says anything that's like it takes away from the value of the property, which is very subjective. Well, that's yeah. That's ambiguous. Right? Yeah. Very ambiguous. So my my concern is that it does the opposite of what people think it does. It's just really weird to me. And that's that's fine. IPMC

Voice Ahear it at 5:49:41

I'll vote for it. Dials it down to specifics. Weed heights over 12 inches,

Voice Ihear it at 5:49:47

you know, accumulate Do you anticipate some kind of thing and not having to do with that, but, like, building codes or whatever stuff that I don't I hate, and I'm glad I'm not in that business. Do you anticipate us having to figure out how to replace that? Or are we working on that? Or do you think we're okay without it? I don't really understand that question. Like, we repeal this, there's not gonna be something that's gonna pop up like all of a sudden all the toilet explode in town ten years from now because there's no IPMC. I don't know what that even does. So there's nothing. Okay. I'm so I'm fine with that. I just wanted to ask now would be the time. Yeah. There's still other nuisance codes. It doesn't abolish every We're still building codes. What the IPMC

Voice Ahear it at 5:50:22

did because 1704 is PRPD. It's only Pahrump area. Oh, I see. The IPMC was a county wide

Voice Ihear it at 5:50:32

code. Now. Okay. I understand. So it actually doesn't really so it really affects more people that are outside of Pahrump?

Voice Ahear it at 5:50:39

Yeah. There is no regulation. I see. Understood. Once

Voice Ihear it at 5:50:42

this was repealed as far as property maintenance, there's no regulations anymore. That's fine. Okay. Yeah. Okay. No. It's fine. I I'm not I was just curious because I at first, I thought maybe it was something else, and everyone's saying, oh, no no more will I have to. But that may be people who are not in pahrump saying that, that they can do these things because they're not covered under this section 17. And now I learned something great. Thank you all very much. Thank you.

Voice Hhear it at 5:51:08

Yes. I believe commissioner Koenig made a motion. Is there a second? I start wait. I started to make a motion, but I never finished it. I don't like to make a motion to adopt my county bill number twenty twenty six dash o six.

Voice Bhear it at 5:51:23

Two more seconds. Motion, second, all in favor. Aye. Aye. Aye. Who's aye? Oscar Chai, that carries five zero. Thank you. 19, real quick, please, for for Is there a clip around here? Well, yeah. Yeah. Oh, shit.

Voice Ahear it at 6:03:14

Item 10 for possible action discussion and deliberation to a, accept proof of the issuance of the state gaming license to Timothy Cogswell with United Coin Machine Company, DBA Century Gaming Technologies for a slot route at Green Valley Grocery located at 51 East Highway 372, Brompton, Nevada as evidence of the suitability of an applicant pursuant to Nye County code five point one four point one hundred e and b, issue a county gaming license.

Voice Bhear it at 6:03:48

Thank you. Is there anybody?

Voice Chear it at 6:03:52

I will speak to the item. What's that? I'll speak to the item. I don't know that we'll have the applicant on the phone due to the time. They've been hanging in there all day. Lucky them.

Voice Bhear it at 6:04:04

So have we.

Voice Chear it at 6:04:07

So oh, we we do we do have them on the phone. I'll I'll unmute them in just a moment. So this is a just a request to approve the Nye County gaming license based on the approval of the state's gaming license for them to become operational while we wait for our investigation to be completed. The state approved the gaming license on May 21. This board also approved five other licenses at the beginning of the year for this applicant. They just missed a a small deadline in getting this application in with the rest. The department recommendation is to approve. As you can see in the back of the state's disposition was included. And I have unmuted the employee representative if you would like to speak to them.

Voice Bhear it at 6:05:02

Just gonna open public comment first, I think. Anybody in the public like to comment? Nobody nobody on the phone? Nobody on the phone? We're good. Just have them introduce themselves, and we'll move it. Okay.

Voice Dhear it at 6:05:19

Good evening. My name is Debbie Carnein. I'm the director of compliance for Tension Gaming Technologies, and I, first of all, want to thank everybody for all the time that they've put in today. It's just been amazing. I have actually been on this call all day long, and it's been quite enlightening. But I wanna say a special thank you to Samantha for all her hard work on this application. I really appreciate everything that she does for us through this process, and I greatly appreciate appreciate

Voice Bhear it at 6:05:49

you taking the consideration of this application. Thank you. Thank you. Do I have a motion? Chair, I'd like to make a motion to accept the proof Thank you. And to issue a county gaming license.

Voice Ahear it at 6:06:15

Oh, 25, please.

Voice Ahear it at 5:53:19

Consent agenda items, these are items that staff recommend for approval. The board reserves the right to move any consent agenda item to the regular segment of the agenda should issues arise that need to be addressed. Discussion of any item from the consent agenda items that needs review before a decision is made. And this is item eleven-one, eleven-two, eleven-three, eleven-four, eleven-five, eleven-eight, eleven-nine, eleven-ten, eleven-eleven, eleven-twelve, eleven-thirteen.

Voice Bhear it at 5:53:53

Thank you for that. Let's open public comments. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please? No, chair. Closing public comment. I'd like make a motion. Motion to approve all consent agenda items. Second. Motion, second. All those in favor? Aye. Moors, aye. Moskovich, aye, four with one absent. Thank you. Fine. No. I'm gonna save that. I'm gonna keep rolling on my my end. 20, please.

Voice Ahear it at 0:58:58

Item 12 for possible action, discussion and deliberation to A, approve or amend and approve one contract for public defender services from the following list of applicants. I was told that Michael V. Costello was withdrew from that, so the only one to consider is Mark Van. Babel Esquire and be fun from 10101 judicial other so is this so is Lorena with us hello sir oh

Voice Bhear it at 0:59:32

I'm not going to Babel and I'm trying to see if I can find him.

Voice Ahear it at 0:59:36

sorry I think your mic's not on go ahead his okay hold please okay

Voice Chear it at 0:59:46

Thank you. V-A-N, capital B-A-V-E-L. I learned a long time ago, the best thing you can say sometimes is nothing, and if the other person is withdrawn, anyhow, I'm not going to just rely on that. My name is Mark Van Babel. I am an attorney with over 50 years experience. I practice criminal law in the state of Maryland.

Voice Bhear it at 1:00:10

For 50-plus years, I did everything from capital cases to trespassing, several hundred jury trials. I did four death penalty cases. I retired here to Nevada. My wife and I began vacationing here probably 20 years ago, loved the state, retired here.

Voice Chear it at 1:00:33

As she, who is sitting in that row with me also, said to me, the worst decision, Mark, you've ever made in your entire life was retirement. I didn't like it. I contacted Didge and started taking, I'll call them random cases that were conflict cases or overloads and loved it, enjoyed it immensely.

Voice Bhear it at 1:00:58

I've come to Pahrump more than any other place. I've been to Winnemucca, to Yarrington, to Elko, to Carson City. I absolutely love this work because I think of the increase in personnel, the amount of cases that become available to someone like me who doesn't have a contract have dwindled and it is...

Voice Dhear it at 1:01:24

Something I did not care for. I wanted more work, and I became aware of this position, applied for it immediately. I have the credentials. I've done criminal law, all aspects all my life, and I love dealing with clients, and I would appreciate the opportunity to represent DIDS in Nye County very, very much.

Voice Chear it at 1:01:48

Thank you. Motion now or you want public comment?

Voice Chear it at 1:01:58

Yes, thank you, sir.

Voice Chear it at 1:02:02

We'll take public comment now. Anybody like to speak, please come up to the mic.

Voice Ehear it at 1:02:25

All right, good morning, Commissioners. My name is Robin Holseth, H-O-L-S-E-T-H. I'm an attorney here in town. I'm also a board member of Nevada Outreach and ACORN and actually volunteer as an advocate myself. The only thing I'd like to add to this, being an advocate for the last four years, is with the public defender's office, their clients are these kids in the foster care system.

Voice Fhear it at 1:02:45

My particular case I've had for four years, finally the parental rights were terminated and their attorney has never met these kids once and this is a consistent problem with kids. I understand the PD's office is busy but these kids are innocent. They need to have their attorney step up for them and I really hope that people applying for this PD position take that role seriously and make the time to visit these kids. Thank you.

Voice Ghear it at 1:03:23

Can I ask something, please?

Voice Ghear it at 1:03:26

Lorena, are you there?

Voice Ghear it at 1:03:30

Lorena, I'm seeing all over everything that this gentleman that's made application is not a resident of Maryland. Can you answer how that would work for? The system. Sir.

Voice Chear it at 1:03:50

Sorry, I thought you were calling me.

Voice Chear it at 1:03:55

live in Henderson.

Voice Ghear it at 1:03:57

Excellent. Thank you. Evidently the audience is going to tell us what's going on. Assistant manager, I understand that.

Voice Chear it at 1:04:08

would like to make a motion please. Excuse

Voice Dhear it at 1:04:12

All right, call the chair. If your assistant county manager would like to speak,

Voice Dhear it at 1:04:17

it's her right

Voice Dhear it at 1:04:17

after she's finished.

Voice Dhear it at 1:04:20

And is public comment closed at this time officially?

Voice Chear it at 1:04:28

me hear it.

Voice Chear it at 1:04:30

Lorena, go ahead before I

Voice Chear it at 1:04:33

make a motion.

Voice Jhear it at 1:04:33

thank you. He is local and Mr. Van Babel is actually qualified through the Department of Indigent Defense Services and he has been in rotation currently as he mentioned for whether it's conflict or the hourly cases. He is participating in our public defender program.

Voice Chear it at 1:04:56

Thank you for the comments.

Voice Ehear it at 1:04:58

Excuse me, Chair.

Voice Dhear it at 1:04:59

Yes, I am going.

Voice Ehear it at 1:05:00

You did not ask for public comment on the phone, and we have multiple calls.

Voice Dhear it at 1:05:04

Oh good, let's go.

Voice Chear it at 1:05:05

Go ahead, we'll reopen public comment.

Voice Ehear it at 1:05:07

Thank you. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Khear it at 1:05:13

Yes, Amy Nelson, N-E-L-S-O-N.

Voice Jhear it at 1:05:18

Like it or not, my opinion is it's just on hold, re-advertise, and get more candidates. One person, as you know, sounds like it's somebody you really want to put in there, but we want to see more options, and that's my opinion. Thank you.

Voice Ahear it at 1:05:36

Thanks, go ahead, Dwight.

Voice Bhear it at 1:05:40

Dwight L-A-L-I-L-L-Y. I think we need more public defenders. From discussions I've had, we've got an overload of cases right now. And from what I heard from the gentleman, he sounds like he's more than qualified to be a public defender. Maybe you need to add the other lady too. I think the courts are overloaded right now and you need to add more public defenders than you're probably considering. Thank you.

Voice Lhear it at 1:06:06

Thanks, Sam. Anybody on the phone, please.

Voice Ehear it at 1:06:08

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Jhear it at 1:06:14

S-W-O-R-Y-S-E-W-I-C-H. From what I heard in the audience there, it seems that this gentleman lives in Henderson. However, he has 50 years of experience, but in Maryland. And I'm not sure how that's going to, you know, translate over here to Nevada law because we aren't our own special people. So I know that, you know, doing the job. challenges one thing but following our law you know is another thing but I'm sure he could educate himself but I do think that maybe we should have a couple other people in the running for this thank you

Voice Ahear it at 1:06:55

Thanks, Beth. Go ahead, Linda.

Voice Mhear it at 1:06:59

Sorry. Hang on. Linda Clark, C-L-A-R-K. Okay. I seem to recall, I think in 1922, 23, we had a candidate rush over the border, put her name on something, and then you voted her in for our justice of the peace. This guy could do the same thing.

Voice Lhear it at 1:07:25

Are we a state in 1920?

Voice Mhear it at 1:07:27

2023, excuse me. My numbers are mixed up today. I'm getting old.

Voice Chear it at 1:07:32

that old. Not that old.

Voice Mhear it at 1:07:36

I know you're older than me. Go ahead and brag about it. Okay. Anyway, we took... I

Voice Mhear it at 1:07:54

turned it on. It went off. You approve that person over a person who was already in our court doing the job because you wanted the shiny thing. So my opinion is if we have a person coming in, people move all the time for jobs. If he wants to move here, he could. If he has a house in Henderson, why people transfer all the time or travel, we don't need every single person to be living in Pahrump to run a job. I bet we have tons of people here in town that don't live here, but they work here. So is that going to be a stipulation now that people have to live in Pahrump? To run for an office or be a corporate person? I don't know. That makes sense to me. I think the person seems qualified and you guys spend so much time on this diddle-dally stuff instead of the stuff that's important. Thank you.

Voice Dhear it at 1:08:51

Thanks, Sam. Do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Ehear it at 1:08:57

Yes, Chair. The collar is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Bhear it at 1:09:03

Hello Commissioners, Bruce Schott with JOHNSON. I'd like to begin with a scripture that has weighed heavily on many people in this country as confidence in institutions continues to decline. Woe unto you.

Voice Chear it at 1:09:22

Also, ye lawyers, for ye lay men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers. Luke 1146. That warning was not against justice itself, it was a warning against systems becoming disconnected from fairness, humility, and the people they are supposed to serve.

Voice Ohear it at 1:09:47

Which brings me to item 12 regarding public defender services. The right to counsel is fundamental within our constitutional structure. It is tied directly to due process, fairness, and the integrity of the justice system itself. And I would actually, I'd like to add the law onto that due process. And because of that, the public naturally expects these systems to operate with competence, accountability, transparency, and genuine concern for justice, not merely administration. Across the country, many people are increasingly concerned about confidence in institutional systems, generally courts, enforcement structures, and administrative systems and legal process. Which means local government has an opportunity and a responsibility to ensure these structures remain grounded in fairness and public trust. People understand the need for legal representation, but they also expect careful stewardship of public funds transparency and contracting confidence in the process itself remains just and properly grounded. Because justice is not measured by outcomes, it's measured by whether the people believe the process itself is fair, honest, and accountable. And I'll close with this scripture. Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy, Proverbs 31.9. Justice requires integrity, integrity requires accountability, and accountability requires transparency and humility in the exercise of authority. And I'd like to also ask these people that are applying for the position, what is your background in common law? Because it's going to be very important for you all to know these things in the very near future, as Michael Davis Garcia has often pointed out, Chevron deference is dead. Thank you.

Voice Dhear it at 1:11:45

Sam, do we have anybody else on the phone, please?

Voice Ghear it at 1:11:47

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ohear it at 1:11:52

Hello, Commissioners. Michael David Garcia, G-A-R-C-I-A. Hopefully you can hear me okay, correct?

Voice Ahear it at 1:12:00

Go ahead, sir.

Voice Ohear it at 1:12:02

Thank you. Thank you. Maybe now might be a time to reflect on the Fifth Amendment. You know, I think Council could use that in his belt as well.

Voice Phear it at 1:12:13

Anyhow, it's a great point to point out that Chevron, you know, some traced it back to 1984 and some can trace it back into the early 1920s and say it's been alive for 85 years and we're really missing the boat on the administrative law that hijacked common law. You know, I believe in a natural right to practice and Bruce Johnson is right on target. Jesus rebuked the lawyers because he specifically knew they. They have the key to knowledge, the linguistics. They twist it, folks. And that's what we've been exploiting. The number one traffic of our children is in these courts. It's data driven and it's proven. Nobody talks about that. I don't know if spiritually you're not strong enough or you just identify as a lukewarm Christian, but it's coming, folks. And the other thing I want to point out is what about your eight minute failures? These public defenders are only spending eight minutes per case. How is that representation or counsel? They totally been failing the people. And I don't understand, you know, somebody needs to put their boots on and start walking, you know, stop reading scriptures, pick it up and start carrying it. You took an oath to defend the Constitution, foreign or domestic. We are rotten internally by these judges and DAs and nobody's stepping up. So y'all just stay over there and be quiet, wink in the dark with a deaf ear, you know, but all this corruption, it is alive and well and y'all are sitting there. Sitting there having a parade. It's disgusting. Thank y'all

Voice Ahear it at 1:13:49

Sam, do we have anybody else please?

Voice Ahear it at 1:13:53

Closing that out. Cheers.

Voice Ghear it at 1:13:54

Chair, the reason I brought this up is because Mr. Van Babin's attorney at law, it says Marilyn right on it. It hasn't been updated to a Henderson address. So. I got fooled by

Voice Ghear it at 1:14:08

submitted. Thank you.

Voice Ahear it at 1:14:09

That makes sense. Thank you.

Voice Chear it at 1:14:10

Chair, I'd like to make a motion,

Voice Dhear it at 1:14:16

Mr. Vice Chair, give me a moment, please.

Voice Dhear it at 1:14:20

Thank you. Thank you. In response to possibly thank you, so do I. Did you have anything else, sir?

Voice Chear it at 1:14:33

I'm waiting for you, Mr. Chairman,

Voice Dhear it at 1:14:35

Thank you. Thank

Voice Chear it at 1:14:36

or whatever you are.

Voice Dhear it at 1:14:37

you. In response to one of the suggestions is a few months ago we had a list of public defenders in front of us and we were borderline in violation not to fill but one position. And so in order to stay in compliance. We had two unfortunately, one withdrew. I do have a question for the Councilor please and I know he's sitting up front. Councilor, if you don't mind I have a personal He's coming

Voice Dhear it at 1:15:12

question for you sir. Thank you.

Voice Ihear it at 1:15:14

Please turn your microphone on.

Voice Dhear it at 1:15:15

Councilor in writing.

Voice Ihear it at 1:15:16

Turn your microphone on.

Voice Lhear it at 1:15:19

Now it's on. There you go. Go ahead,

Voice Dhear it at 1:15:21

you. Councilor in writing, you put here that

Voice Ahear it at 1:15:27

that you are willing and able and ready to perform your duties in Beatty, Pahrump, and in Tonopah. Are you comfortable where you're living, you're residing in Henderson, to travel to the courts in Beatty and also in Tonopah if necessary?

Voice Dhear it at 1:15:49

I am absolutely comfortable. I enjoy it immensely. As I stated, I've traveled...

Voice Chear it at 1:15:55

Four times so far to Winnemucca, three or four to Yarrington, two to Elko, Carson City, Fernley. I've enjoyed exploring the state immensely. I mean, for a person born and bred in the East, this is one beautiful state, and I have loved every minute of it. I have to, I was coming back from Winnemucca after it was five inches of snow the night, during the night, and I traveled 200 miles, I tell the story to everybody, 200 miles with snow-capped mountains to my left. So you can't create that experience. You just, it's, it just, I was just lucky it was that night and it was a little fluffy, just 200 miles of driving looking at beauty and at least if my wife goes with me probably 75% of the time we enjoy traveling the state. We traveled to Tonopah. Before all of this lawyer business started, we stayed at the, I'm going to blow it now,

Voice Chear it at 1:17:06

no, Ms. Poph, Ms. Poph, we stayed at Ms. Poph in the Lady in Red Room, et cetera, et cetera, and we stopped many times in BD, so I'm familiar and comfortable.

Voice Dhear it at 1:17:20

So thank you for mentioning the other townships within my county and yes, Nevada has an unusual and unique landscape and we too have snow, snow kept mountains surrounding us here in Tonopah. Sir, besides you enjoying traveling, did you experience the court?

Voice Ahear it at 1:17:43

the courts, plural, in Tonopah, in

Voice Ahear it at 1:17:47

and in Pahrump.

Voice Chear it at 1:17:48

in court in Pahrump many, many, many times. I've probably handled upwards of 50 cases there. Most of them have been in front of Judge Fito. And I love going to Pahrump. I think the lawyer who mentioned client... Not spending enough time with their attorneys, not spending enough time with their clients is perfectly correct. I can't begin to tell you how many times I've been talking to a client and talking to them about their family, their history, how they got where they are, how they got involved in crime, and they say, In fact, there was one the other day, you are the third attorney on my case and you're the first one that asked me those questions and has talked to me. I have learned that through my experience. That is the way you get to truly represent a client is to dig into them and know all about them. You can't stand up in front of a judge or a justice and relate to your client and say.

Voice Qhear it at 1:18:43

Where you get to truly represent a client is to dig into them and know all about them. You can't stand up in front of a judge or a justice and relate to your client and say and turn and say, Mr. Jones works for, who do you work for Mr. Jones? Or, you know, you have to have that information at the tip of your fingertips and know your client like you know, not exactly family, but know your client like you know a good friend. That's a must.

Voice Lhear it at 1:19:16

Thank you, Councillor. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Chair.

Voice Ihear it at 1:19:20

Thank you, Commissioner. Commissioner Koenig.

Voice Chear it at 1:19:22

Mr. Chair I'd like to make a motion again. I would like to appoint, I'm sorry, I would like to approve one contract for public defender services for Mark Van Bevel Esquire and fund from 10101 judicial other.

Voice Ihear it at 1:19:41

Motion and a second. All those in favor,

Voice Dhear it at 1:19:45

What was I?

Voice Ahear it at 1:19:51

Item 13 for possible action, discussion, deliberation, and possible direction to staff on forming an ad hoc committee to advise on fairgrounds development.

Voice Bhear it at 1:20:02

Thank you for that. Who's presenting?

Voice Ahear it at 1:20:07

This would be Commissioner Koenig's

Voice Chear it at 1:20:09

Is there a request from the public to form an ad hoc committee? to advise us on what the public would like to have on the fairgrounds and when, et cetera, et cetera. So I turn it back to you for public comment.

Voice Bhear it at 1:20:29

All right. Thank you for that. Let's open public comment on this item. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 1:20:36

Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ehear it at 1:20:43

Hello Commissioners, Michael David Garcia, G-A-R-C-I-A. I just think it's really important that we stay within the guidelines when we're redirecting these state and federal funds. Are we classifying this as a civic center or a community center? Thank y'all.

Voice Ahear it at 1:21:00

Go ahead and prompt, please.

Voice Ghear it at 1:21:02

Linda Clark, C-L-A-R-K. I seem to recall at our last hearing or the one before.

Voice Hhear it at 1:21:11

Hmm That it was announced that the fairgrounds would be for the fairgrounds would be ball fields Is there more that was going to be added to that that we weren't told about because it seems to be like we already decided we don't want

Voice Ahear it at 1:21:34

This is about the ad hoc.

Voice Ghear it at 1:21:37

about the fairgrounds,

Voice Bhear it at 1:21:38

it's about the committee.

Voice Ghear it at 1:21:41

I'm trying to figure out what this committee, how are they going to be directed based on what we were already told? I know that's confusing. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 1:21:54

Uh, Sam, do we have anybody on the phone please?

Voice Dhear it at 1:21:57

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ihear it at 1:22:03

That's for a savage. Before I say anything, commissioners, is it okay if I kind of fill people in on what our overall goal was going to be?

Voice Bhear it at 1:22:15

Yes, but can you spell your last name for the record, Beth, please?

Voice Jhear it at 1:22:24

for the public, you're welcome. Just for the public knowledge, there was a pre-meeting yesterday with me and another lady in town and we spoke with Commissioner Koenig and Strickland and the county manager and we said that we thought that it would be a good idea to have an umbrella over this committee and have representatives from the OHV and from the arena come and you know tell us what's going on and we can track all the money and everything and it is not going to be a sitting center no

Voice Ihear it at 1:23:07

no civics in it right now ever in my opinion but anyway i don't get to set the rules but we are going to be talking about everything and we are looking to put together a town hall um to get as many people in to so that people can express their desires um so the first thing we have to do is get the people that want to work on the committee to put in applications and then after that

Voice Jhear it at 1:23:34

that then we'll have our first meeting and move on from there thank you

Voice Ahear it at 1:23:39

Thank you. Come on down, Mary Ann.

Voice Khear it at 1:23:41

Are you going to disclose yourself? Mary Ann Hollis, H-O-L-L-I-S. I am the other lady in town. I've been called worse, but I guess I'll take that. Yes, I was there. And Beth has done a lot of work putting together what this would mean in the form of an advisory committee. She went big. but settled for an ad hoc committee. She went big. She wanted advisory committee, but the sense was that participation would fall off from the other advisory committee meetings. Which is a plus and minus, but on the plus side, there will be an advertisement for people to sign up for this and then you, the board, would look through those applications and appoint the people that you would like to see. And at that meeting yesterday, I suggested to Commissioner Strickland that Perhaps, especially in the case where she is liaison to both OHV and ARENA, that during commissioners' comments that liaisons to different advisory committees just give a snapshot of what's going on in that advisory committee. You know, you can direct me to the minutes sometimes they are three, four months behind and the business is ongoing and it's two more meetings to have. You have to go to do what you have to do, I guess, but I think that could be a remedy right now is to start just a snapshot of this is what we discuss, etc. And hopefully people will sign up and I will say this to everyone who's been asking to see the half million dollar plus design build for the... civic community whatever you want to call it center will now be made available so it's been asked for and it's been told we will have it so there's a start thank you

Voice Ahear it at 1:25:50

Thank you. Come on down, Tammy.

Voice Lhear it at 1:25:55

Tammy Pittman PITMAN so my request for this ad hoc committee is first of all ad hoc committees have no teeth whatsoever so there were in my opinion just something to placate the masses and I would like to see that nobody on the committee if you're going to if you're going to make one is on another committee because I think there's too much cross-pollination people trying to railroad whatever they want and I think it needs to be have fresh eyes thank you

Voice Bhear it at 1:26:27

Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 1:26:30

Yes, chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Mhear it at 1:26:37

Quite lily, L-I-L-Y. Hey, I volunteer for that committee. I live in the 5th District, and I've got my ear to the ground quite a bit, and I think the committee should...

Voice Dhear it at 1:26:57

Mr. Johnson, you can proceed.

Voice Nhear it at 1:27:03

Okay. Reclaiming my time. Commissioner?

Voice Bhear it at 1:27:08

Sure. Yeah, go, please.

Voice Ohear it at 1:27:10

J-O-H-N-S-O-N. Are you done?

Voice Ohear it at 1:27:15

Are you done?

Voice Ohear it at 1:27:17

Okay. Thank you.

Voice Nhear it at 1:27:21

I'd like to speak briefly on item 13 regarding the proposed ad hoc committee on fairgrounds development. First of all, I don't think that any of you up there on the sitting on the bench should be have any any doings in who gets picked or not. That needs to be done by members of the body. And I believe this item touches on something larger than a single project. It touches on how public planning, representation, community participation are structured moving forward in that county. Whenever committees are formed to help guide development or long-term public projects, transparency and public trust become extremely important. People naturally want to understand who is involved, how decisions or recommendations are being shaped, what interests are being represented, and how the public itself remains meaningful and included in the process. Because public projects function best when residents feel informed and are involved thoroughly, not simply notified after major directions have already been established, and as we've heard repeatedly across many issues in this county, there has already grown concern regarding communication responsiveness and access to meaningful dialogue with government structures. That makes openness even more important here. I would encourage this board to ensure that any committee process remains transparent, publicly accessible, balanced in representation, clearly accountable to the people in that county, because committees should strengthen public participation, not unintentionally distance the public from the process itself. And I also reiterate that in the committees that I mentioned to you that has already been formed and has assembled to look into the public information request. You know, committees, Tammy, with all due respect, committees do have a little more authority or strength behind them in being able to move the body of the community when the people come together. And I would like to spend some time with you and show you that if you would be willing. But I'll close with a scripture where no council is the people. multitude of counselors there is safety proverbs 11 14 public council matters open dialogue matters and trust is strengthened when the people can clearly see and participate in the process shaping their community thank you yes

Voice Mhear it at 1:29:59

Go ahead, Dwight. You're up, sir. Thank you. Dwight Lilly, L-I-L-L-Y. Like I said, I volunteer for that committee verbally. I live in the fifth district. I have my ear to the ground and one of the biggest issues that I've seen on the turmoil surrounding the fairgrounds is that the people have not been advised what's going on and the people have not been asked how they would like fairgrounds and there's literally thousands of people living adjacent to the fairgrounds and another probably 25,000 people plan to be right by their fairground so people living in the south end probably have more At stake here, as what goes on in that property out there, I appreciate Commissioner Strickland's efforts to get the ball rolling. And if it wasn't for her, we wouldn't have Kellogg Park over there. We'd probably have a blueberry field or something that's whatever it was that one time. But I think that she dropped the ball in one area is that she didn't get the people involved enough. And that may be John's suggestion we have an ad hoc committee makes sense. So I'd volunteer to be on the ad hoc. And again, I'm in the 5th District. You know, what happens in the 5th District affects me more so than somebody in the 5th, 1st or 2nd District. It's in our neighborhood out there. So that's all I got to say, but I hope you put this together. And again, thank you, John, for lending your effort here.

Voice Ahear it at 1:31:27

Thank you. Come on down, Diane.

Voice Hhear it at 1:31:37

Diane Southworth, S-O-U-T-H-W-O-R-T-H. I think it's a great idea to have an ad hoc committee. I think the idea of getting some fields out there for soccer and for other different things, baseball fields, maybe even some basketball courts would be a wonderful solution to giving kids in town places and things to do. I'm also not against having a civic center there. We need a larger civic center. Bob Rudd is too small for the size of this town. I don't think it has to be immediate. I think it needs to be thought through, but I do think that it's something that needs to be logically considered. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 1:32:21

Thank you. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 1:32:25

Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Jhear it at 1:32:31

Yes, Amy Nelson, N-E-L-S-O-N. An ad hoc committee is a great idea. I'm curious if we're going to have a liaison, and I'm curious if the people are going to be given ample time to put applications in for this committee. Maybe they can have a voice at public comment on the ones they would like to see on the committee and not just have people the commission wants to put on there, you know, like somebody that will vote their way. But I think it's a great idea. Thank you.

Voice Ohear it at 1:33:14

Thanks, Amy. Come on down, Lou.

Voice Chear it at 1:33:20

Hi, my name is Lou Baker and I'm here, it's going to be very short, okay.

Voice Bhear it at 1:33:25

Lou, I need you to spell it just for the record. I'm so sorry. Your last name? Spell it.

Voice Chear it at 1:33:33

Oh, Baker, B-A-K-E-R.

Voice Bhear it at 1:33:35

Thank you, sir.

Voice Chear it at 1:33:37

Anyway, the reason I'm here is a couple of reasons. The most important one is safety on the highway. And there's one road in particular off of 160 that goes between Walgreens and Denny's and Albertsons. That is one of the most dangerous intersections we have in town. I've talked to you guys before about somebody taking care of that. How can it be such a big thing to get it?

Voice Ahear it at 1:34:07

Yeah, so I'm sorry, Lou. This is on item 13 only.

Voice Ghear it at 1:34:17

not talking roads right

Voice Chear it at 1:34:18

for your comments.

Voice Ghear it at 1:34:18

now but we do have an item for roads and Commissioner DeBoer will be handling

Voice Bhear it at 1:34:22

Oh, there you go. Yeah.

Voice Bhear it at 1:34:23

Well, hang tight

Voice Bhear it at 1:34:25

there. Okay, sir.

Voice Bhear it at 1:34:28

Very nice to see you.

Voice Chear it at 1:34:30

well, I didn't understand what you said, but it's okay. I've made my point as far as that road is concerned.

Voice Bhear it at 1:34:37

Thank you for that. Sam, do we have anybody else, please?

Voice Dhear it at 1:34:43

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Nhear it at 1:34:49

Hi, Robert Adams, ADA and at this point this is a town park that's going to serve all the residents of Toronto and it's not simply a district park that matters that those positions should be able to do every citizen of Toronto. And there's been committee activity on this topic over the past few years, and a lot of grants have been applied for and the money accepted and so we're not really looking to clean slate on that. There's plans that have been built over many years and it's just a matter. follow through on many of them but anyway thank you

Voice Ahear it at 1:35:46

Thank you, sir. Sam, do we have anybody else, please?

Voice Ahear it at 1:35:50

All right, closing that out.

Voice Ahear it at 1:36:01

Okay, go ahead, somebody. Chair. Yes, sir. Thank you. You may have forgotten. So great idea. I hope that the people that are going to be interested in applying realize that ad hoc has different rules and regulations than another committee, advisory committee elected committee, etc.

Voice Bhear it at 1:36:30

that it's usually temporary and once there are resolutions to the issues, the ad hoc committees usually disband. But I'm also curious to know who the proposed liaison's alternate will be taking care of the fairgrounds issues in Peru.

Voice Ghear it at 1:36:57

Will we even have liaison?

Voice Bhear it at 1:37:02

Well, the ad hoc committee commissioner would certainly need some guidance and some assistance.

Voice Ghear it at 1:37:09

They don't do agendas. They don't spend money. They don't. They would bring ideas to the commissioner. So it's a good question that hasn't been addressed yet.

Voice Bhear it at 1:37:22

Okay, then that's the answer. Thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 1:37:27

Thank you, sir. Commissioner. May I examine the motion? This is typically Something like this is called, where I'm from, it's called a blue ribbon panel. And what happens is an undesirable idea is taken in order to divert away from an elected official and then placed into a blue ribbon panel so that the blue ribbon panel will come to the conclusion that the elected official wants them to. And of course the blue ribbon panel is stacked by the person who has the unpopular idea. Then the blue ribbon panel comes forward and says we've decided to do this unpopular idea So then when another elected official says we don't like that idea Then the person who's responsible for it the elected official who created the blue ribbon panel They don't have to take the heat That being said that aside. I'm not really too concerned about this I would support it. It's fine. I just don't my only question is is there a statutory framework for this specific kind of How formal is this? Does anyone know if there's a statutory framework for this kind of committee?

Voice Fhear it at 1:38:28

very It has mine.

Voice Chear it at 1:38:28

informal. It doesn't have anything to do with open meeting laws or any of the rest of that stuff.

Voice Fhear it at 1:38:34

So there's not not a chairman or a person who runs it, it's just people who get to 'cause I think it is a positive thing to have people being able to discuss it because it is sort of cloaked in secrecy. Mostly I believe because of the open meetings laws which create weird undesirable effects in government which i don't like um

Voice Chear it at 1:38:52

I brought this up because it came from out there. They wanted it, so I put it on the agenda.

Voice Fhear it at 1:38:58

and i'm for i just want to be able to you know if any one of us i just want to be able to come into this meeting and discuss with this group and not have that group turn into some secret group that sort of meets and nobody knows where when they're meeting so that any elected official um would be able to access that group that would be my would be my only concern. Commissioner Strickland, do you want this? Is that, I mean, this has been your thing. I I I'm not opposed to it. Is that something that you're you're okay with?

Voice Ghear it at 1:39:21

Yeah, the people want it, and but I'm like you, I'm not sure that we uh should be liaisons to that. I think we should be something that comes and goes and and

Voice Fhear it at 1:39:31

Are you okay? I would really prefer, if you're okay with that and there's not one person who's it's sort of their committee, I'm completely

Voice Ahear it at 1:39:37

Committee, I agree.

Voice Ghear it at 1:39:37

on on uh It would we do that as liaisons we sit there and get guide and help the committees and this is totally different This is ad hoc. This is like bring ideas bounce

Voice Ahear it at 1:39:49

Yep, this is

Voice Ghear it at 1:39:37

it would, we do that as liaisons, we sit there and guide and help the committees and this is totally different. This is ad hoc, this is like bring ideas,

Voice Ghear it at 1:39:51

I think that we need to be hands off, there shouldn't be a liaison.

Voice Ghear it at 1:39:54

In that respect, I would, I would support it.

Voice Fhear it at 1:39:57

Okay, I would support it too under that. So if they could be somehow read into the whatever.

Voice Ghear it at 1:40:01

Good idea, read that back.

Voice Bhear it at 1:40:03

Cool. Okay, Commissioner. Go for it, sir.

Voice Chear it at 1:40:08

Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion to direct staff to form an ad hoc committee to advise on fairgrounds development.

Voice Ghear it at 1:40:18

Without a liaison.

Voice Bhear it at 1:40:19

without a liaison.

Voice Bhear it at 1:40:20

A board liaison.

Voice Chear it at 1:40:22

I'm not gonna add that.

Voice Chear it at 1:40:25

We can decide that at any time. We

Voice Ghear it at 1:40:27

we just talked about it.

Voice Fhear it at 1:40:32

I mean we're gonna stick a liaison in there some point. I mean we're telling them it's I think

Voice Ghear it at 1:40:35

It's in my district

Voice Ghear it at 1:40:36

so I'd be stuck in there and you're saying that that would be a blue ribbon group and I would drive that and that wouldn't make sense.

Voice Chear it at 1:40:43

Without a liaison, how's that?

Voice Fhear it at 1:40:44

There we go.

Voice Chear it at 1:40:44

Are you Thank going to

Voice Ghear it at 1:40:45

I can second

Voice Ahear it at 1:40:46

Motion second all

Voice Fhear it at 1:40:47

a liaison. I don't know why

Voice Fhear it at 1:40:49

we'll never know why now.

Voice Ahear it at 1:40:49

motion second all those in favor.

Voice Ohear it at 1:40:52

It was a

Voice Fhear it at 1:40:53

All right, Moscow Chai Dai carries five zero. Uh, we're gonna take a potty break, ten minutes.

Voice Fhear it at 1:40:58

Huh? Sorry it took so long.

Voice Hhear it at 1:41:00

Oh my goodness.

Voice Dhear it at 1:45:14

to do is start a meeting. Okay.

Voice Ohear it at 1:45:15

Let's do that. How you doing Commissioner, you ready up there?

Voice Phear it at 1:45:22

I am, thank you.

Voice Ohear it at 1:45:23

Okay. Alright, let's uh Where the hell are we? I gotta get I think it's twenty three.

Voice Bhear it at 1:45:43

16, all right. We're going to do 16, 23, then 14. All right, 16 please, manager.

Voice Ahear it at 1:54:01

Item 14 for possible action discussion and debate to fund an additional $35,000 towards the program that has been removing abandoned junk trailers and RVs.

Voice Bhear it at 1:54:11

Thank you for that. Commissioner Bain. Yeah, let's do public comment first. Good idea. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone please for 14?

Voice Dhear it at 1:54:24

And seeing none in Tonopah, Pahrump. Okay, closing

Voice Chear it at 1:54:29

A hand raised right after I said no. Do you want to take it?

Voice Dhear it at 1:54:33

Yeah, let's take it.

Voice Chear it at 1:54:34

Thank you. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ehear it at 1:54:40

That's for S-B-O-R-Y-S-E-W-I-C-H. My problem with spending the $35,000 has been... enabling one commissioner to take credit for cleaning up his only district, his district, and patting himself on the back on social media. It's gotten to the point that I'm getting sick and tired of seeing his ad. And $75,000 from the LATCF fund, wasn't that supposed to be used for the ball course or something out at the fairgrounds? I mean, it's like, let's take and rob Paul and give it to Peter and it's getting ridiculous. Money needs to stay where it's at. And I don't think that what the commissioner is doing is really helping all of my county or even pro health. It might be cleaning up some fires and things, but I don't, I think there are bigger, bigger problems like the roads. and all of the other things that are going on in town, saving metal waste and so on. So I think this is a bad move. I think it should be stopped. How much does it cost to take these trailers to Vegas and get them smashed or whatever, you know? That's another thing to find out. I just don't think it's a benefit to us. Thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 1:56:13

Thanks. Come on down.

Voice Ghear it at 1:56:21

Tammy Pittman, P-I-T-M-A-N. I would like to hear from Ms. Teach, do I say it right? How we're going to pay for this because we is broke.

Voice Fhear it at 1:56:35

Sam, do you have anybody else, please?

Voice Chear it at 1:56:36

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ehear it at 1:56:42

Amy Nelson, N-E-L-S-O-N. We have to be pretty careful where we're spending all this money. One commissioner wants to give money to Nye County Sheriff's Office, wants to clean up her own by sending all the homeless people that need help into other districts, not cleaning up a thing. She's wasting our money. I hope this is not going to be going to what he wants to do again. I don't know why you cave in, because we don't have the money. We need it for infrastructure. We're homeless. We need it for a lot of other things rather than something negative. Thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 1:57:24

Thanks. Go ahead, Linda.

Voice Hhear it at 1:57:29

Linda Clark, sale ARK.

Voice Ihear it at 1:57:31

You know what? It's barely been a week and you're already back to saying yes. What happened to the no?

Voice Fhear it at 1:57:38

I don't have my shirt yet. I'm kidding. Come on down, please.

Voice Ghear it at 1:57:49

This is Lori Wilson, W-I-L-S-O-N. I didn't come here thinking I was going to say anything today, but I just have to say we have so many bigger problems in Nye County that we should spend our money on. We have potholes all over our roads. Our roads are the worst roads that I've seen in a long time. I mean, so spending money on this is just... It's not shouldn't be a priority. Thank you

Voice Fhear it at 1:58:18

Thanks. Come on down to Perum, whoever's next.

Voice Jhear it at 1:58:25

Deborah Thomas, T-H-O-M-A-S. The problem with the homeless is one problem.

Voice Hhear it at 1:58:36

The problem with the dumped vehicles and the stuff dumped out in the desert maybe should belong to the BLM. I don't know. You guys would probably know better. But I think that would be a good place to get the money to clean up the desert in Nye County. Thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 1:58:57

Thanks. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Chear it at 1:59:00

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ahear it at 1:59:11

Okay, go ahead, Dwight.

Voice Khear it at 1:59:13

That was another person. Okay, Dwight L.A., L-I-L-L-Y. I sat through two commission meetings dealing with a budget that was in the red, and I heard comments that we're going to watch spending, and now we're talking, in fact, there's multiple items on the agenda here. Let's spend some more money. I think people need to study what the homeless situation and the RV situation is. I watched the study of just 900,000 plus working poor living in dilapidated trailers and RVs in the United States right now because the wages haven't kept up with what housing costs. So these people aren't bums out there in any sense of the word, but I think that stigma has been attached to this situation. I don't want to see anybody spend on this. In fact, I don't want you spending any money until we get our finances back on the sound. Every item having to do spending needs to be denied. Or the last two meetings I went to are just a farce, and you're going to continue on down the same path that brought us right to the doorstep of insolvency in this county. Thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 2:00:22

Does the name derive anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Chear it at 2:00:26

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Lhear it at 2:00:31

Hello Commissioners, Michael David Garcia, G-A-R-C-I-A. Can you hear me?

Voice Ihear it at 2:00:40

Please go ahead.

Voice Lhear it at 2:00:42

Hello? Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. I hate to point out the elephant again in the room, but besides this administrative overreach, I really think there needs to be a freeze on all your spending habits, you know, considering you are in NRS violations when it comes to your own budget. So I would think you'd want to get that straight first. Thank you all.

Voice Fhear it at 2:01:06

Thanks. Come on down, Chief. Scott Lewis, Haley W. I.S. Town of Front Fire Chief. I would like you just to consider the other the flip side of this, that the number of fires that we are experiencing with these discarded trailers is really impressive, and I don't mean that in a positive way. This includes last night. So the cost, I understand that's something you'll have to decide, but there's a flip side cost, which is the cost of operating at these incidents that's costing us fuel and manpower hours of both fire and law enforcement.

Voice Mhear it at 2:01:37

enforcement just on a trailer fire last night in a little field fan the risk to our community is great so we need to come up with a way and maybe there is an alternate funding source i don't know that's really for you to decide but i i don't want everyone to think it's just a waste of money because we've had some positive results as a result of you know taking some actions thank you

Voice Fhear it at 2:01:56

Sam, anybody else on the phone please?

Voice Fhear it at 2:01:59

Close it out again. Go ahead,

Voice Mhear it at 2:02:02

appreciate it. I was actually at the fire yesterday and it was a trailer that was up in Commissioner Jabor's district way up north. Yeah, there were two police officers, two vehicles. We had numerous trucks that went up there and I... I want to quickly give just a brief report on where this is from my understanding. I don't have control over this, but I've been monitoring it very closely. So we had a struggle with how to dispose of these. We've got a couple of options now. I believe there's around $16,000 out of the $35,000 left. It has been one of the challenges is because the DMV decided to change the process of taking abandoned trailers. And again, these have been out in the woods. zoo desert for years and years i remember driving up at the sheriff he's not here driving up at the sheriff a long time ago and he pointed at one and said this has been here for since you know 1975 um i was two years old in 1975 so i think that that's uh just to sort of provide an overview of this one of the things that i know people didn't either acknowledge and follow is that the letcf which is which is federal grant money which you want to take 35,000 of that can't be used to balance a budget so there are different budgets it's very very complicated and many of a lot of the public you'll see people come up and they'll sort of you know this is what I would do you know because they want to run for office and that's that's fine you can use this as a springboard to run for office historically it doesn't really work I never showed up in a meeting before I won so I don't think that would necessarily work But I do think what works is taking crime scenes out of the desert. And right now these are crime scenes. This isn't grandpa's out there, lost his job and he's out there cooking his meal and he's going to Smith's to work a night shift and he comes back and oh, the RV's gone. These are you've got and there's some things I won't say because I don't know where we're at, but needles, drugs, every time we roll up on one of these things, I am communicating these are drug. good crime scenes. This is not grandpa out there with a sandwich trying to get back on his feet like some 1920s movie. So what this is is we're about 16,000 now. We can still do more. I have been trying to help with this just as really as a citizen just trying to say, hey, here's what we have here and then the deputies have been doing a great job and we I think have stepped up and figured out. How to solve the problem of disposal, which has been great, and right now what we've done is the center of the town, a lot of it has been taken care of as far as some of these junky, trashy crime scenes that have been here for decades, and now, you know, with the eye up there on District 1, Commissioner Koenig's district, Commissioner Jabbour's district, I think it'd be really great to sort of start targeting those areas. That was last night. I drove up there I think it was about 10 o'clock and you know there was one right next to it that looked like it was going to be next next to the one that was on fire so again my ask here and I'll just make a motion we'll see where it goes but I would like to take 35,000 as LATCF that cannot be used to balance any budgets it can it we do have 1.5 million we're thinking about as a possible bailout for the jail fund in the event that we cannot make cunts that's all very separate there's a lot going on not appear. Um and most of the work, you know, we have to do work outside of these meetings. So these meetings are really just here to sort of present things, let the public know what we're doing and move on from there. And sometimes people will come up and try to, you know, unravel things and have a big I mean, did we would be here for four days if we did everything up here, uh talking back and forth with papers flowing back and forth. So I'm going to make a motion w whenever we're ready

Voice Mhear it at 2:05:41

to do I make a motion to pass Item 14. Make a motion to pass item 14, fund an additional $35,000 toward a program that has been removing abandoned junk trailers and RVs funded out of the LATCF fund. I think Mr. Chairman.

Voice Fhear it at 2:05:56

Mr. Jabbar, do you have anything before I...

Voice Fhear it at 2:06:00

Go ahead, sir.

Voice Dhear it at 2:06:01

Thank you. Thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 2:06:05

I was just gonna say we don't have a second yet, but go ahead anyway

Voice Nhear it at 2:06:08

Thank you. I understand there's a motion on the floor. And thank you for giving me the opportunity. I want to thank Commissioner Bain and Commissioner Koenig for doing what they've done since Commissioner Bain brought this forward. And he brought it forward because the people were screaming that people are dumping in Pahrump.

Voice Bhear it at 2:06:32

And to help, what can we do to help clean up Pahrump? And a lot of this, yes, has been in some, some, not all, has been in District 1 cleanup, District 2 cleanup, District 3 cleanup. I mentioned a few months ago that I was contacted, and it was actually in District 3 where an abandoned trailer filled with trash.

Voice Nhear it at 2:06:54

A four-tier high was behind the dairy farm on a road right across the street from residents and they were quite upset and we had that removed once I was aware of that. So we're...

Voice Ahear it at 2:07:08

We are listening to you. We are being proactive. And Commissioner Bain is absolutely correct is that there is certain funding that we can use for certain things and absolutely out of the question for other things. So I wanted to reiterate and help clarify that as well. So thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 2:07:29

Thank you, sir.

Voice Mhear it at 2:07:31

Sorry, very quickly. I also want to mention, and this is something that the general public wouldn't know, and I don't even think anybody in this room really knows, is there's been this kind of push-pull on our visas have been abandoned in right-of-ways, and it's, you know, the tow trucks don't want to take it, people don't want to take it. What this program has done is it really has given another avenue so that in the event that there's something in a right-of-way that can't be handled or quickly or something, there's dangerous RVs that are dumped, and what it does is it kind of takes money out of whatever budget would normally pay for that. that allows this so we I believe we've taken at least two out of right of ways that have been just dumped there that otherwise there's just been a fight who is going to take this nobody wants to take it sits there for days and days so it really is not just about trying to clean up crime scenes but just in general things dumped even on right of ways I think it alleviates whoever's budget otherwise would come from because it sounds like there was some kind of you know concern there about budgets thank you mr. chairman thank you

Voice Fhear it at 2:08:23

Go ahead. Commissioner Koenig.

Voice Ohear it at 2:08:24

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'd just like to make a comment first. Again, some of this stuff is in my district and some of it's in Commissioner Jabor's district. And I witnessed this fire last night from my bedroom window. I saw them pull up, I saw them turn around and come back down 160 because they went, missed the dirt road turn off to go up there with the fire trucks and the vehicles and stuff. I'm guessing there were at least six vehicles that were there at one point in time, which means there's probably nine or ten fire and police there also. I can't say no. I believe me I get it but I guarantee you we spent more than 35 bucks last night going up there and putting the fire out and when I came to work this morning there was still smoke coming up from out there so it's a hard place to get to it's up on the fan you have it's all dirt roads there's no paved roads up there it's I won't go up there in my truck so Again, we spent more than $30,000, probably spent $35,000 in fuel.

Voice Ohear it at 2:09:39

$35,000. No, we didn't spend that much in fuel, no. But it's a danger to our people. You're going up there. I won't go up there without a gun because they don't like us up there. Based on what I saw last night and knowing what it's cost me to do that and what it's going to cost because it happens once a month, chief at least up there. So based on that, I'll second it.

Voice Fhear it at 2:10:06

All right, so we have a motion on the floor and a second and all I'm going to say on the on the topic is that when our units whether it's uh Chief Lewis or Sheriff McGill's people are responding to these things, they're not able to respond to other things. So

Voice Ihear it at 2:10:23

I got one thing.

Voice Hhear it at 2:10:26

Uh that latch remaining funds is one point seven million and we've already spent or we've allocated one million dollars for potholes. There was a comment about we should

Voice Hhear it at 2:10:34

be spending, and we are spending out of that fund.

Voice Hhear it at 2:10:37

So I'm ready for the Okay. vote.

Voice Fhear it at 2:10:39

I'm gonna call for the vote.

Voice Dhear it at 2:10:42

Where was I?

Voice Fhear it at 2:10:43

Oscar Charlie, that carries 5-0, thank you. 15 please manager.

Voice Ahear it at 2:10:51

Item 15 for possible action, discussion and deliberation to place a moratorium against accepting applications for any data center or anything associated with the data center until such time as an ordinance is created and approved by the Board of County Commissioners to regulate said facilities.

Voice Bhear it at 2:11:10

Thank you for that. All right. Before I open public comment, I'm going to say I have no idea how this board will vote, although I have a very good idea. So How

Voice Chear it at 2:11:24

did you do that? Make the motion for okay. Why don't you then then? They'll make They'll know. This is my item. I'm gonna make a motion to actually Wait. You're gonna let. I'm gonna let John Can I ask a quick question? It's just a curiosity. I met with these people. Did anyone else meet with these people or am I the only I'm just curious. I met with him. Every one of us know. Well, Rob, commissioner Bosch, know. I did not. Okay. I just was curious. Oh. I didn't I didn't know. I did on the phone. That was all. Okay. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Yeah. Go ahead, commissioner. These people Mister chair, I'd like to make a motion

Voice Dhear it at 2:11:52

and move to place a temporary moratorium, which excludes the town of Tonopah on accepting any new application for data centers or anything associated with the data center until an ordinance amendment is approved by the board of county commissioners to regulate such facilities. Second. Excluding Tonopah because it's my understanding they wish to be excluded.

Voice Bhear it at 2:12:16

Is what I heard as well. We have a motion on the floor and a second. I'm gonna call Excuse me, chair. Go ahead, commissioner.

Voice Ehear it at 2:12:23

I hope you're not gonna call No. Was gonna call for public comment. Oh, okay. I I would like to, clarify, please. Okay. There was comment because I too met with and over the phone and texts The and request of Tonopah was not just Tonopah. The request was to respectfully allow the governing boards of the areas of Nye County outside of the PRPD and Pahrump And Basin 162 to decide what would happen with this situation of data center, and data center has not been clearly defined for clarity. So the motion that was made, including the rest of the county with Tonopah exempt, is incorrect because that was not the request. That has never been the request, especially from me, the liaison to these other areas throughout Nye County, as they've not had a voice to do some moratorium at this time. Would be inappropriate. Okay.

Voice Fhear it at 2:13:45

So can I add on to this conversation? I've been back and forth with a community leader there in Tonopah, and my argument is this. We need something in place. We need to do a a moratorium long enough for us to form an ordinance, and then each one of the townships make their own decision if they want to be a part of that ordinance after it's written or not. But if we don't get in front of this and have a moratorium for all, then they won't have a choice. They'll be after the fact going, wait a minute. We we have one going in right now and we should have gotten in front of it. That's my only concern, commissioner. And that's what I had been texting back and forth. Because there's concern, of course, in water, sound, air quality. There's a lot of different concerns here. And we if we do a well job, like we did with solar, we can we can do a well job. So that's what I have. Thank you, chair. May I ask something procedurally? Yeah. I don't if maybe the DAA the

Voice Chear it at 2:14:50

deputy DAA can help us with this. Having a a county, wouldn't that be something that the towns would I guess having the county and then having the towns as ascent to that law, that doesn't sound right. Is that something that that sounds like it's what's being presented. We have a county master law, and then the towns all decide whether they wanna join the county law. I don't think we can do that. That doesn't sound unless I'm misunderstanding. It just sounds kinda weird.

Voice Ehear it at 2:15:18

Well It's backwards. This procedure is backwards at this time.

Voice Ghear it at 2:15:23

Expert on that is my boss, but I would say that

Voice Chear it at 2:15:28

I don't think they have the power to do In a specialized

Voice Ghear it at 2:15:31

area, without researching it, it may be something that the county would have preemptive authority

Voice Chear it at 2:15:41

over the town, but I I have not researched this question. I think, mister Jay, I appreciate it. I think just if just to be cleaner, I I don't know why I don't just do the moratorium. I I understand the concerns. It's fine. If we do the moratorium with a motion to get all the towns to pass some kind of ordinance, then it just puts freezes everything in place. I don't think anyone's interested in Tonopah right now anyway, so I don't see how that would do anything as long as it's a a moratorium is temporary by by nature. So is that just procedurally? Is it okay? I I just don't know. Just passing and they're telling all the towns, please, you have until whatever to figure out what your law is.

Voice Bhear it at 2:16:16

So we have a solar ordinance that was developed a year or so ago. And basically, I think the thought is that the data side could be included and integrated into that Well, you didn't exempt anyone in that solar moratorium you did. I don't think I was here when you did it. No. The the

Voice Ahear it at 2:16:38

moratorium at that time was countywide. Yep. The solar ordinance is countywide, and it that is the thought. That's my thought anyway since I'm the one that drafted that solar ordinance is that this would become part of that same ordinance, the same process, same approval process, same review process, etcetera. And we would just be adding a section that pertains to just data centers

Voice Chear it at 2:17:07

to address the concerns with data centers. You know? Well, sounds like it should be the language moratorium and then there's language that's in there. If the towns want to adopt it, the county would do any uncorporate whatever is not part of those towns. They if they want to adopt it, they can. If not, fine. But if you put a if you put a county law that exempts certain places, I I don't even know. I've never heard of anything like that. And maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I don't know everything. We have other ones who do that. But

Voice Ahear it at 2:17:34

with the way the solar solar ordinance was drafted, the counties are involved and have a say. It's got requirements for anything proposed within their Yeah. They have to give us within their town boundary to to you know, they have to get a presentation Yeah. By that company. They write a letter of support or opposition that goes to the board because the board of county commissioners is the final say

Voice Chear it at 2:18:00

Yeah. Or or approval or denial. I mean, if you wanna do it this way, it's fine. I just I just I'm proposing to use the county wide blanket so it's not some weird I don't know why that is someone trying to get a data center in Tonopah right now? Is that what's going on? There there there I have not heard of any of that, but I have been approached by people in Tonopah that do not want Okay. That's fine. That's fine. I That's all. I'll do whatever you want. That's fine. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 2:18:24

So I forgot where we were. We'll get a motion in a second. Okay. And we're ready to hear from you. Okay. Let's start with public comment. Sam, well, come on down. We'll start with you.

Voice Hhear it at 2:18:41

Well, my name is Nancy. Last name is Yanda, y a n d a. And I'm definitely against a data center. You need to put a moratorium everywhere, everywhere in Nevada. We do not need it. It's a disaster for anyone to bring it.

Voice Bhear it at 2:19:03

Thank you. You, Nancy. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Ihear it at 2:19:07

Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Jhear it at 2:19:14

Yes. Amy Nelson, n e l s o n. Anybody that's been on Facebook can see and understand the public's disdain for any data centers and the damage that they cause. A temporary moratorium sounds good. A permanent ban is even better. We don't want them here because of the destruction to our water and our infrastructure. They they cause brownouts, and we just can't afford to do that in this valley. And I hope you understand that the public wants a permanent more moratorium, not a temporary one.

Voice Bhear it at 2:19:59

Thank you. Thank you, Amy. And by the way, we're if if we ever finish with this item, we're gonna break for lunch right after this. Come on down in Prunt, please.

Voice Khear it at 2:20:11

Steven Pittman, p I t m a n. You all have mentioned water sound and the disruption to the local environment near any housing area. But also when you take up this moratorium documentation that you very carefully define what a data center is. For example, the hospital could be defined as a data center because it has multiple computer servers serving the hospital. So just please be careful and set a limit to anything over x amount of terabytes worth of processing.

Voice Bhear it at 2:20:49

Thank you. Thank you. Tonopah, please go ahead.

Voice Lhear it at 2:20:56

Matthew Winterhawk for the record. You know, I'm here today to ask Nye County to set the tone for the rest of Nevada. Can you spell it, sir? In Pahrump Valley? Can you spell it, please? W I N T E R H A W K. Thank you. I'd like to set the tone for the rest of Nevada with Nye County. No data centers in Pahrump Valley. No data centers in Basin 162, period. No temporary permits. No conditional approvals. No loopholes. No phased applications. No we will study it later. No closed loop buzzwords, no self powered distractions, no grandfathering without full public view. Nye County does not have the water to deal with it. Brump residents already live under restrictions that prove the problem ordinary families cannot simply drill into new domestic wells like water is unlimited. The state engineer, who was fired by the way for no reason, order one twelve excuse me, twelve ninety three because the Pahrump Basin needed protection for groundwater and existing domestic wells. Nye County Water District explains that new domestic wells in Pahrump Basin require relinquishment of two acre feet of water rights. So here's a question. If a family has to prove that the water is there to protect the home, why would Nye County even consider a massive industrial data center that could place more pressure on the exact same basin? And by the way, the Admin Street, assembly in 2024 allowed connected waterways and connected basins to be used. So it will not stick to January. They will be playing with water from the entire county of Nye. That would be backwards. The data center is not just a building. It is a water demand, a power demand, a backup generation, a fire risk, a road burden, utility burden, wastewater heat, chemicals, tax abatements, emergency service strain, and long term risk shifted onto local people, my Nevadans. And the people most likely to pay this will not be the billion dollar companies. It will be my homeowners. It will be my small businesses. It will be my property owners. It will be my domestic well owners, my ranchers, my farmers, my seniors, my workers, my families who cannot hire corporate lawyers to protect their well or their basin. Do not fall for these lazy arguments. Using Google does not mean we need to consent to reckless data center expansion inside of Nye County. Using the Internet does not mean we need to agree to risk perumps wells or water permanently for the next twenty five to fifty years. Using technology does not mean that corporations get a bank check to carve up Nevada, which they are doing up north. You've seen it. Trick, Lyon County. It's going on. This is not anti tech. This is pro water. This is pro homeowner. This is pro small business. This is pro rural Nevada. This is pro common sense, and it's data centers that wanna come here to make them prove their impact before they even get one inch of this land forward. What basin? What water rights? What priority dates? What annual water use? What peak summer water use? What construction water? What cooling water? What fire suppression will be used? What power demand? What backup generation? What emissions? What hazardous materials? What domestic wells nearby will be destroyed by it? What senior rights are going to be affected? Who pays if the whales are going to fail? Who pays if utilities need the upgrades? Who benefits in here? Because it's not Nevadans. Who carries the burden? Because that is Nevadans. And if they cannot answer every one of those questions clearly and publicly, the answer should always be no. Nye County has already watched reckless spending, bad planning, and outside interests, but pressure Thank you very much. Go ahead, Dwight. Do not add a permanent water burden to and the

Voice Bhear it at 2:24:05

or this county. Thank you. Please.

Voice Mhear it at 2:24:08

Go ahead, Dwight. Dwight Lilly, l I l l o y. Yeah. The reason I have this hat on here was an effort to break rural Nevada away from Clark County and their wild ideas over there. The governor's position on solar farms and data center cost him my vote. I won't vote for anybody from Clark County because I think they're crazy over there. We don't have any enough water over here to support data center. The Valley Electric annual meeting is coming up, and I'm upset with them for going behind our backs and running over to California to get power so that they can provide power to these data centers. So I agree with Amy Nelson's comment. A moratorium, how about just an outright ban on this and then work on a ordinance and brainstorm any wild ideas that the governor and people of Clark County have that would affect our way of life here in rural Nevada. We tried doing this with a new Nevada, but it never went anywhere. But we are at the mercy of politicians from Clark County that have these while this this status center is not going next to governor Lombardo's house. Neither are the solar farms. They're going right next to my house. What they would do, they wanna suck my power, run the rates up. Hoover Dam's running out of water to replace it with natural gas electricity five times the wholesale cost. They don't care about that. They just want to appease the billionaires over in Clark County. So I say no for data centers, no for solar farm, and no for any other wacko ideas that come out of Clark County. So I ask you to do an outright ban and then work on an on a on some type of ordinance that tries to encompass any other wild idea that come out of Clark County. Thank you.

Voice Ihear it at 2:26:04

Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please? Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Nhear it at 2:26:12

Hi. This is Tim Bohannon, b o h a n n o n. Couple of things I like to make sure that we're fully in tune with. To note what commissioner Boscovich was talking about, I've had people from up north approach me and say, hey. You know, we we welcome the idea of a data center and, you know, don't don't put it as an exclusion for a total area in the North. So what I would say what I would suggest is respect the rights too. We have down in front, we have certain opinions on this. I'm very strong in those opinions about not having data data center and base on 1 60 2, which I would agree with. But, we have other areas in the county that say, hey. Now wait a minute here. We have rights too, and we want to express our opinion. Make sure you get that. You do have a commission in District 1 who has noted that as well and something to consider. The other thing is actually, there's several things. One, making sure that the facts that are presented regarding data centers and water consumption and also jobs is accurately and properly communicated not only to the public but also to the commission. You've gotta you've gotta vet it. You've gotta make sure it's right. And you push back on as hard as you can to make sure that the facts are are given to you and provided. If they're if they're saying one thing with water, and this also goes for us, the people, if we're you know, we may have a strong opinion about how much water consumption is, but we may not have all the facts either. So I wanna make sure the facts are presented, they're vetable, they can be relied upon, and push back hard. And that push back hard is designed to get the proper evidence and the proper facts that we need to have. And we rely on you, BOCC, to get the job done. From a data center standpoint, it could it could provide decent economics, and that's consideration, but the environment is also consideration. Balance that out. It's a tough job to do. It's your job to do. And we will obviously, the people will be out here and and very strong vocally if we agree or we disagree. But make sure you check the facts. Make sure you know what's going on. Make sure they give you the information that you need and and do more research. Make sure you have independent research that says, okay. Here's what the company says, Here's what our people says. And here here's the additional information we know. Look at UNR. Look at UNLV. Look at some of the universities that studied this and see if they have additional information

Voice Bhear it at 2:29:11

that you can glean on Thanks, Tim. Coverage. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Go ahead in Pahrump, please.

Voice Ohear it at 2:29:17

Teresa Sky, s k y e. We enjoy living in Pahrump. We enjoy the mountain views. We enjoy the desert environment. We take advantage of it by doing a lot of hiking, getting out there. People in Pahrump Valley are tired of being a stomping ground for threats by big industry. The data centers, solar farms, grid alliance, It all affects us, but nobody has asked us. Data centers are going to it's it's like one thing after another. We dealt with the solar farms. Now we're doing the data centers. Why do these big companies think they can come into our valley and destroy it, basically? I have to give a thumbs up and bravo to mister Winterhawk in Tonopah who spoke just a little while ago. He nailed everything, every single point, and I couldn't have said it better. So please yeah. A ban on solar on I'm not well, yeah. A ban on solar. But a ban on the data centers. We don't know what they're going to bring. Nobody knows what they're going to bring. It's all a

Voice Ihear it at 2:30:33

murky future as far as data centers and AI is concerned. Thank you. Thank you. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please? Yes, sir. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Jhear it at 2:30:46

That's Laura Stavitt. It's kinda simple what we should do right now. We should create the moratorium for the entire county. That way, no data center can slip in behind in the back door and get a a thing going with, I don't know, some other town here in the Nye County. And then have a clause within that moratorium that indicates that each town has until active date, whenever you guys wanna set that, to decide to opt out of this moratorium. If they opt out, then I don't know if you guys wanna let them back in. I think you should. But, anyway, I think that would resolve the issue of anything happening and somebody trying to, you know, do something sly on the side. And by them opting out then, when you write the ordinance, you would say these are the towns or the or the towns in the areas that actually has a moratorium, and nobody can talk to anybody about the data center. The other thing is that if any of our towns do opt out, then and I'm not sure how close these towns are. I haven't I don't know all that. And if they're gonna put a data center in, then we're gonna have to put in some sort of border that they cannot cross because then it could, you know, bother the people in the next town. So I just wanna make sure that we look at that too. Governor Lombardo just did a groundbreaking today for a data center up in the Reno area. And our poor animals, our animals that are the tortoises, the hares, the donkeys, the horses, you name it, are that have these there, they're gonna go insane. We're gonna have some sort of, I don't know, dawn of the animals attacking everybody because we've made them crazy with the sound. So I wanna make sure that we cover our butts now, allow people to opt out, and make sure that we protect everybody. Also, it was just noted yesterday, this woman was telling a newscast that she gets headaches, and it actually sticks to her stomach from the sound. Her kid can't sleep anymore. They can't even in schools, when they open the windows, they can't do that anymore because the sound from the data center interrupts the kids from learning. So this is a bad thing. We should cover our butts all the way throughout the entire county, allow people to opt out, and then we should go from there. Thanks. Thanks, Beth. Go ahead, Linda.

Voice Phear it at 2:33:47

Linda Linda Clark, CLARK. I remember years ago, we were fighting over solar farms and nobody wanted them. We were stuck with them. And even though this board, not all of you because you weren't all here, said, oh, no. We don't want them. But she ended up voting for some of them anyway. So, yeah, think about it. What did you vote for? We don't want those. We've got the power big grid transformers transform through our town. I guess that all had to do with v, another crooked entity, charges all kinds of high rates and they're getting all the benefit and then most of it's going to to California and Las Vegas. I've said many times, Pahrump, Nye County is the jumping ground for everything that nobody else wants. And we all know it. How we fight it, I don't know. We've got the governor. We've got our president. We've got BLM all pushing for this stuff. How do we fight that? I don't know. We're allowing the mining people to come in and tear up our mountains with this lithium. Where do you think all this lithium's going? It's dangerous chem materials, and we're putting it into our environment. If you guys think it's good, I don't. I didn't come here to be lit up. I came here for a nice quiet life, and it's been far from quiet dealing with all this political crap. So anyway, I would just like to see more than a moratorium. How about just a no? Just big fat no. We don't want it. It's what our public doesn't want, and we shouldn't even be dealing with it. We have to fight the government though. And I don't know how we're gonna get past that. It's a sad situation. And like I said, the rump has and my county happens to be the stomping grounds. Thank you. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Ihear it at 2:36:03

Yes, sir. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Qhear it at 2:36:10

Hello, commissioners. Bruce Johnson, j o h n s o n. I'd like to speak briefly on item 15, and I apologize for the noise. I'm in early voting today. Come by and say hi. And I want to emphasize one principle that should remain central to every major county decision. The requirement to meaningfully involve the people and know how to say no. The Nevada constitution places political power inherently in the people, which means government functions properly only when the public is not treated as an observer to the process, but as a a participant within it. Especially when discussions involve public resources, development, long term planning, contracts, infrastructure, assessments, or structural policy decisions. Public participation must be more than procedural. It must be meaningful enough that residents can actually understand what is occurring, ask informed questions, and contribute before major directions become fixed. And I wanna end. That includes a compilation of information, not only from your credited sources that you named, but also from other communities that are already being impacted by data centers and their wells running dry. And I have actually assembled a Facebook page today, and I encourage all of you to check it out later on today. It should be up and running shortly. And I would like to instruct the commissioners and the board to use this as a launch pad for the information sources. And I would encourage the people when you come across these resources that tells about these stories of other communities being impaired by the data centers coming in and the infrastructure being changed, the water rights being completely decimated because they're going in and and drilling all these big wells and stuff. I I would applaud all of you if you would post this stuff on this Facebook page, and that Facebook page is Nye County Data Info. Nye County Data Info. And I implore the commissioners to use this as an information source to make your decisions. And I will land it there. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 2:38:45

Thank you. In Perum, please. Come on, Dave.

Voice Rhear it at 2:38:52

Deborah Thomas, t h o m a s. The the methodology here is different than what I'm used to seeing. What I would like to suggest is that we have mister Wagner draw up something that would do that because he's familiar with building and development, and I think he could do the job. And then have him work with the district attorney's office to make it so that if people want to opt out of that, there is a method to do that. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 2:39:41

Thank you. Come on down, Tammy.

Voice Shear it at 2:39:48

Tammy Pittman, p I t m a n. As I stated last meeting, there's not a lot of money in data centers because they don't make anything that's taxable. There's no sales tax. But I have more information. Nevada data center tax abatements. They're rather plummy. I think the data center people are not in for just for their own good. They were they're getting big bucks. A company and colocated tenants who intend to locate or expand a data center that meets certain requirements, they qualify for personal property tax abatement of 75 percent for the tax due for ten to twenty years. Sales I mean and, you know, data centers technology just I mean, it's outdated the day it's made. So they still even if they've made it, they get the tax abatement for ten to twenty years. Sales and use tax abatement reduced the rate to 2% for ten to twenty years. Company must meet all three requirements. Jobs within five years to employ 10 full time employees who are Nevadans. 10. That's not a whole lot of people y'all. Wages paying at least a 100 percent of state average and capital improvement investment within five years of at least $25,000,000. They can get even bigger abatements if they hire a few more people, 50 people, they can get the twenty years and capital investments of at least a 100,000,000, which is not much compared to a data center. That would that would be just the parking lot. So there's this is a lot of money that they get. They're they're getting this they're not doing this because it's out of the goodness of their pot their pocket. They're get they're making it so lucrative that they can't not do it. We get nothing. So think about that.

Voice Bhear it at 2:41:53

Thank you. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Bhear it at 2:41:59

Come on down, Leah.

Voice Thear it at 2:42:06

Leah Aldridge, a l d r I d g e. One community got rid of these data centers coming in by just saying, hey, no tax breaks for you. What if we do that? And then the builder said, well, we'll just go somewhere else. Shut it down. But let's call them what they are. They're surveillance centers. They are surveillance centers that are integral part of a digital currency that they all want us to be on eventually. And, they'll be monitoring everything you do. You say a little something about the government that they don't like, your money's cut off. You can't pay your bills. You can't go shop for food. You can't do anything. That's where this is all headed. So the other thing, how many private well owners do you know that have had to drill their wells deeper in the past, like, five years? I have a friend that just on Money Street that just had to go deeper on her well because her water ran out. So that's coming. Also, we all remember the movie Erin Brockovich. Well, she's back, and she's fighting these data centers like you won't believe. She has a website where people can go up and, report data centers being built in their community and, data centers that are planning to be built there. And, also, there's a part on there where people can file complaints telling what has happened. There's thousands of complaints, how it affects cattle, how the cattle can't have, you know, cows anymore calves anymore. Also, the health issues and also the water. The water's either polluted or there's no water. Mhmm. So gotta say no to this, and we need to go for further than a moratorium. We need an all out ban. We don't want this here. We don't have the water. We can't spare the power. It's not gonna work ever.

Voice Bhear it at 2:43:52

Thank you. Thank you. Come on down in prompt, please.

Voice Uhear it at 2:44:00

Hi. Renee Renee Jones from Methadone Clinic. J o n e s. Everyone always talks about the data centers with regards to the articles and the news and all the Facebook and stuff. I'm dealing on the front lines with these people. I'm touching them daily. They're moving from New Mexico, Arizona, Montana here because they thought it was safe because now they have vertigo, nausea, PPMD, which is a disorder, pseudo seizures, all the all these things that they thought coming here would be safe to do. It's not. We need to stop it. Put a moratorium on the whole Nye County, not just this town, that town, all of it be the whole whole state, actually, if we could with Lombardo. I sent emails to them already, in regards to some patients that we're dealing with now. But let's make it safe here. And people are moving here for this specific reason, let's make sure that they don't have these disorders here. It's happening. I'm touching them. Thank you. Thank you. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone please?

Voice Bhear it at 2:45:07

No, Chair. Come on down in Pahrump, please.

Voice Vhear it at 2:45:12

My name is Kenneth Martin, k e n n e t h m a r t I n. I'm a resident here in Pahrump, and I'd just like to make a statement about the data centers coming here. And that is that in my time with Lowe's corporate office when we were putting in our data centers, our focus was putting them in the coldest places possible because it costs us the least amount. And the desert where we live in a special area is very hot. And the costs will be very steep. And the chemicals they'll need to use to cool these servers will likely contaminate our water supply. And there is a slew of lawsuits nationwide where there's many allegations about water contamination. I don't think any of them have gone through all of the phases of their cases, but there are many allegations about water contamination. We have a lot of people here who are very sensitive about their water rights. So I would suggest that we not pursue that in a hot desert. Thank you. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 2:46:20

Come on down in Pahrump, please.

Voice Whear it at 2:46:27

Russ Meads, M E A D S. Commissioners, I appreciate your time. Pretty hot topic. It's been an interesting run here, listening to the different opinions, mostly focusing around water, how much water a data center uses. And there are a lot of different types of designs for data centers across the country. Some are in the business of using a lot of water because it's available. That is very much disappearing very quickly across the country. The new technologies that have come out are there's a lot of different types of cooling. There's closed loop systems, we've heard of, but those are assisted. There are now fully closed loops, which use absolutely no water for cooling whatsoever. The biggest concern is actually humidity control inside of one of these buildings. And so trying to control that and understanding what that water use is. I've been in touch with a lot of second and third party engineers trying to understand this so that we could maybe have a little bit more understanding of exactly what it work what it looks like for water use. There's the technology that exists out there for these to be able to be put in with nearly no water use for cooling whatsoever. Humidity control can be less than a 100,000 gallons complete for an entire year. So I think as you move this forward and as we try to find out what we do wanna have there, there are definitely ways that we could take advantage of the good parts of what these do bring as long as we make sure that, the designs and the the availability of that technology is implemented. And then I think the other big thing that I've heard over and over over the last several meetings is our budget. Our budget is short. It's gonna remain short. We are not gonna fix that unless we, the people, take it out of our pockets to make up the difference. It is really, really frustrating from a citizen standpoint, and I don't think anyone wants it. I know you guys don't want that. I don't want that either. I would love to see a responsible growth with good projects that can prove and show that they use very little of our resources here and that provide us really good tax abatements and not tax abatements, but tax revenue for us to be able to use in our coffers. And I think it's very possible, and I I encourage that we seek the truth, find out exactly what it is. And if I can be of any assistance, I would offer that up at any time that we might be able to help move this forward. I would really encourage that.

Voice Bhear it at 2:49:07

Thank you. Thank you. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Bhear it at 2:49:18

Come on up, Maryann.

Voice Hhear it at 2:49:20

Maryann Hollis, h o l l I s. Simple question. What are the good points that he suggests? What are the good points?

Voice Bhear it at 2:49:31

Thank you. Thank you. Alright. Seeing no further public comment, we're gonna close that out. Commissioners, we have a motion on the floor and a second. Is there what else would you like to discuss? Anybody? No?

Voice Chear it at 2:49:48

If I could very quickly I don't want to purl nose. I'm I think the issue that people have with this being exempted, I think Doctor. Fauci had fifty four years of being a medical doctor. In his professional opinion, it was that masks do not stop this disease. In his fifty fifth year under pressure from the government, he changed his 54 year I'm not even 54 years old. After fifty four years of practicing medicine, he changed his mind like that. All of a sudden, oh, no, that's going to help. And I think that the problem, it's that none of us here understand it, none of us do. And we can find data on both sides, well, this isn't harmful or this is harmful. It's important to acknowledge that it's the risk reward. And my only concern about this is that if you exempt an area, and for some reason that area, I understand we want to be nice to everyone, but I don't know that, I mean, I am just as tasked as everyone else here is protecting the people everywhere. And since we don't really know and we haven't seen anything yet, I'm fine with hearing from both sides. But none of us really know what would happen if something were to go on in Tonopah. I don't know what would happen down here. And I'm not trying to take away their rights to self govern, but it's just so interesting to me because I hear this all the time. I hear, well, you know, you just take care of your district. And then I hear, well, you're a commissioner for everybody. I feel like when it's an issue like this, well, just take worry about your own district and shut up. And then when it's something about me going out and proactively doing something in my district, well, you've got to worry about every the whole county, not just your own district. So which is it? It always changes depending on the Here, the most logical way to approach this is to put a blanket moratorium on the whole county, let the towns come up with their own information, let them prove to us, to our satisfaction, that it's not going to affect anyone here in this room, even three hours north or what, or even the people there. I mean, there's nothing wrong with us being concerned with the people in Tonopah. I certainly am. And then taking a look at those towns or whatever they're called, those local jurisdictions, making sure that those address the concerns. And then if they don't, then we override them. I mean, that's pretty much how this works. I just don't I will vote for it, but I just don't like the exempting. I think it's weird, reckless, and it it doesn't make any sense. I think it's just a power play for I don't know what it is, honestly. I have no idea why we're doing this, why we're exempting one place from it. It's as if to say we don't care about the people's safety up there. Well, we only care about that because it's Tonopah. I care about the people in Tonopah just as much as I do here. So I don't I just it's just weird to me. So I'll vote for it because it's better than nothing I think we get otherwise, but that's my concern. Thank you, mister chairman. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 2:52:22

If there was ever a data center to go up around Tonopah, wouldn't they have to then come before the board for a development agreement with us?

Voice Fhear it at 2:52:32

If there's not an ordinance in place. I mean, assuming there's an ordinance. There wouldn't be an ordinance. That's the whole point. That's why I was saying you need to have Tonopah included to see if they even wanna be part of an ordinance so they have some jurisdictional benefits. You do development agreement and you get money out of developers right off the bat.

Voice Chear it at 2:52:53

So I'm gonna find myself on the same side as commissioner Strickland. I think this is a very interesting You gotta think that's pretty interesting. This is weird. I think it's a full moon out. But no, I I really think it ought to be the whole county. I I I don't know how else to say it. It was the original motion I was gonna make until I was told that Tony Pond wanted out. So

Voice Bhear it at 2:53:11

I respect our representative up north and his opinion, but I do also understand commissioner Bain and commissioner Strickland's points. How

Voice Chear it at 2:53:23

long are we giving them the moratorium? How long was that gonna go for, I guess? When when are we expecting laws to trickle in from these towns?

Voice Ahear it at 2:53:30

The the laws won't come from the towns. It's something the county's gonna have to draft and bring to the board. Okay. My assumption, just because I don't think it's as complicated because we already have an ordinance that I think addresses a lot of it, just not specific to data centers. But my hope would be that we could have something before the board within about ninety days.

Voice Chear it at 2:53:57

I mean, can the people tell them how to wait ninety days and not do a data center? Are they burning up to do a data center? Let's rethink

Voice Fhear it at 2:54:02

this if commissioner Jabbar will support it. It's only three months. And then they can decide if they want to opt in or opt out depending on what they see we've written. Commissioner Commissioners, thank

Voice Ehear it at 2:54:17

you. Through the chair, again, one my simple questions and by the way, there was a commenter who said it best, Nobody knows what this will bring because there's no solid evidence from science. And even when we have the science, you mentioned Doctor. Fauci who said six feet and masts will protect us, and that was a lie, okay? So I'm a data center right now. I carry two cell phones. I ask the simple question, what is the definition? What is our definition of a data center? Because right now, I have my laptop, my two cell phones, my PC. Is that what we're talking about? Or are we talking about another commenter who came and said, within the buildings, within the buildings? And then, of course, from the Water District Board, they mentioned a square footage of 2,000 feet. So what are we talking about? We need clarity.

Voice Chear it at 2:55:29

That would be all addressed through an ordinance, and that's what we're projecting here, Commissioner. What's the legal definition in the moratorium that you have? Do you do you have a legal definition for data? For data? Like what are we calling it? Mr. D. A, can we incorporate a common can we incorporate a definition based on reasonable person standard of what a data center is or what is commonly known as a data center? Can we do something like that?

Voice Ghear it at 2:55:59

Yes. You know, I'm looking at it right now. Okay.

Voice Chear it at 2:56:04

So could we do that and do that? Or do you want to can we carry this over while he does the work? Because we have to have some kind of legal definition because his point is everything's a data center. Just makes I don't even I didn't even know what it was until people started talking about it. And so I I don't think anyone really if we we can incorporate something outside of our own So you're saying add add to

Voice Fhear it at 2:56:24

define a data set We have to. In the spectrum of our Commercial

Voice Chear it at 2:56:29

data center. I would do something like that. Would see if he he can just say we're going to incorporate a definition being what is a reasonable person standard as to what a data center is in a large scale center used for whatever.

Voice Ahear it at 2:56:42

That's what I was just gonna say. I well, I'm I'm going to doctor AI like a lot of people do. It's the data center is centralized physical facility or building that houses a vast network of computer servers, data storage drives, and networking equipment is designed to store, process, and distribute large amounts of digital data required for business and the Internet

Voice Chear it at 2:57:08

to function. Can we just incorporate that stopping equipment and not the rest of it and read that back? Mr. Dea, can we do that? Is that acceptable as far as whatever?

Voice Fhear it at 2:57:18

Part and parcel to a motion that we now I would remove my second. He'd remove his first. It would be countywide. Is that what you You could. You're permitted to

Voice Ghear it at 2:57:28

specify what a data center is because the term is used and is prominent in this agenda item.

Voice Chear it at 2:57:38

Does that satisfy Commissioner Jabbour's concern about this? I hope this is the right concern we have.

Voice Fhear it at 2:57:44

I think he's on his phone. I think he's on AI. Are you on AI, Commissioner Gibor?

Voice Ehear it at 2:57:53

I try not to use AI, Commissioner, strictly because I have a list here of those definitions. But look, if you're going to amend, that's one of the points that I'm trying to make to the original motion, okay, then that's fine. And you're honing in on what the look, when somebody first mentioned to me, how do you feel about a data center? And I said, where are we going to get all of these telemarketers to come and work? And no, I don't I'm not okay with that. That was my first definition of the data center coming in from this very large company, okay? So I think we're on the right track, okay? The original motion, I'm okay with. And if you want to amend this definition of the data center,

Voice Chear it at 2:58:43

go ahead and amend and then call for the vote if you'd like. Can you make your motion? I'll amend it. I'll point to him and have him talk, and then we can vote on it. Or you could just say it. Is it okay? Yeah.

Voice Fhear it at 2:58:56

Get the motion stated by someone so that we can So are you saying that we should remove our second first? Do that. Just redo everything. Okay. I'm redoing I'm removing my second. I'll remove my first. Alright. We start fresh. Make a motion? I can make a motion that we place a moratorium within all of 9 County with a data center being defined as

Voice Ahear it at 2:59:18

A centralized physical facility or building that houses a vast network of computer servers, data storage drives and networking equipment.

Voice Bhear it at 2:59:29

We have a motion on the floor. Second. And a second.

Voice Bhear it at 2:59:47

Jaburo's eye. That carries five zero. Thank you, sir. Can we launch now? Do you want out of that or no? No. Out of that. Let's do one more. I gotta do Let's do one more. Alright. Seven, please, real quick.

Voice Ahear it at 1:45:55

Item 16, presentation of the Tonopah Justice Court's annual report pursuant to NRS 4.0608 regarding deposits and expenditures in the court restricted fund 10246 for fiscal year 2026-2027.

Voice Bhear it at 1:46:14

Thank you very much.

Voice Chear it at 1:46:14

Good morning, my name is

Voice Ahear it at 1:46:16

Morning. My name is Jennifer Clapper, K-L-A-P-P-E-R. I'm the justice of the peace of the Tonopah Township. A portion of our backup was not included, but I believe all of you have received copies. Is that right?

Voice Ahear it at 1:46:33

All right. So pursuant to NRS 4.060 subsection A, the justice court is required to give an annual report. For that annual report for Fund 10246, our carryover amount is $15,000. We estimate that 25% of that is $5,000 to be deposited to account 10246 for the Justice Court's use and averaging a total of $20,000. The expenditures that have been... Identified for that spending would be an e-filing system equipment and training. The cost of that has not yet been disclosed by the AOC and a potential replacement upgrade to our courtroom recording system due to ongoing advancements in technology for a total of $180,000. And that's my presentation.

Voice Dhear it at 1:47:28

short and sweet.

Voice Bhear it at 1:47:28

Thank you very much. Commissioners, do you have any questions?

Voice Ehear it at 1:47:32

For her or anybody.

Voice Fhear it at 1:47:40

Thank you, Judge. Thanks, Chair.

Voice Ehear it at 1:47:43

Okay. All right. We're moving on. That's presentation only. We're going to move on to 23, please.

Voice Ahear it at 0:54:25

Item 17 for possible action discussion and deliberation regarding bill draft requests by county can submit for the 2027 legislative session.

Voice Bhear it at 0:54:36

All right, who's speaking to this one and our representative is on his way down. We have to get him on the road, that's why we're doing this right now.

Voice Bhear it at 0:54:58

Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, thank you for inviting me here today. Mark Fiorentino with the law firm of Kemp for Kroll. Here to answer any questions you have, you're familiar with this process as our firm has represented you for the last three or four sessions, I think, at the Nevada Legislature. The Legislature grants you one bill draft request every session.

Voice Chear it at 0:55:19

The deadline to submit that request is September 1st, so t time is of the essence for you to develop one if you want to submit one. There's no requirement that you submit one, um but if you're going to, the statute also requires you to approve it by majority vote of a county commission hearing. So you're uh meeting, I didn't mean hearing. So um wanted to be here to remind you, answer any questions that you may have. Um and

Voice Dhear it at 0:55:47

help you throughout the process if we can. Typically in the past, by this point in the year, you all have not necessarily developed specific bill draft requests, but have developed... issues that are important to the county that you we might be able to help you on with proposed legislation and so I'm encouraging you to do that and to work through that process and to utilize us however you need us to help you get through it yeah

Voice Ehear it at 0:56:13

Would you remind the public what we were able to do last year, which was very good?

Voice Dhear it at 0:56:19

last session and I think it's the first one in at least a very long time where the legislature

Voice Chear it at 0:56:25

approved your bill draft request but it was a very important one that we couldn't have done without your help and support from the community and support from the chief and the other the

Voice Chear it at 0:56:35

sheriff and the other first responders we got the

Voice Dhear it at 0:56:43

expiration date for the tax that funds their their services are removed so that that is a permanent source of revenue to to fund your first responders so yeah

Voice Ehear it at 0:56:56

The tune of around $5 million, so it was significant. They split that. It's very cool. Thank you.

Voice Dhear it at 0:57:01

so I don't need to say anything more but we're here to help if if you need help and again whatever you need us to do

Voice Ahear it at 0:57:10

Thank you for that. And I think Commissioner Bain and I went and testified for the funding

Voice Ahear it at 0:57:14

for the sheriff and fire.

Voice Ahear it at 0:57:17

All right, let's open this up to a public comment and see if we have any comment on this real quick. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Hhear it at 0:57:25

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ihear it at 0:57:32

Hello, Commissioners, Michael David Garcia, G-A-R-C-I-A. Is my volume okay?

Voice Ahear it at 0:57:39

You're good, sir. Go ahead.

Voice Ihear it at 0:57:43

Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. I was just wondering if we can explore the other side of that coin and maybe look, do a deep dive into addition by subtraction. You know, maybe the council can give us a recommendation for unconstitutional statutes such as SB 354-2023. heavily redacted and quite offensive to the due process call it the taking clause thank you

Voice Dhear it at 0:58:13

Come on down, Chief.

Voice Jhear it at 0:58:18

Scott Lewis, L-E-W-A-S, Town of Prompt Fire Chief. I just want to say thank you to the commissioners, Mark, and all the support. That was specifically the public safety sales tax, which is extremely important to all of our agencies, including all of our volunteer organizations throughout the county. And Mark's team was extremely professional and great to work with. So I just want to make sure the commissioners knew that. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 0:58:39

Yeah, you guys pulled that off very professionally.

Voice Ahear it at 0:58:43

Thank you for that. Sam, anybody on the phone please?

Voice Ahear it at 0:58:49

Alright, we're gonna close that out and I guess move on from that item.

Voice Khear it at 0:58:53

Let's do it.

Voice Ahear it at 0:58:54

To number twelve please.

Voice Ahear it at 6:00:34

Item 18 for possible action, discussion and deliberation to approve, amend and approve or reject a letter to the Bureau of Land Management regarding comments for the draft environmental impact statement regarding the Corvus Gold Nevada Inc North Pearl Frog mining project within the town boundary of Beatty, Nevada. Thank you for that. Hello, Megan. You you know the rule, especially after 6PM. You can't figure out Oh, well. The button. You push the button, Megan. Just yell loud. We'll hear you.

Voice Bhear it at 6:01:13

Okay. Here it is. It's working now. All right. Good evening, Board. My name is Megan Labadee, L A D A D I E. Is beer 30, so I will keep this and really let you know that this letter requests a clear basin wide water analysis, enforceable mitigation and financial assurance, public reporting and independent technical review, binding agreements for public service impacts and a stronger analysis of recreation and tourism income impacts. And the intent is to preserve the project's potential economic benefits while protecting water resources, economic drivers and local services from disproportionate or unmitigated impacts. And I'm happy to take any questions you may have. It's too late.

Voice Ahear it at 6:02:06

Public comment? The public comment on the phone?

Voice Bhear it at 6:02:11

No. There's no comment on the phone. Closed public comment? Cheryl, I can make the motion to approve as written.

Voice Ahear it at 6:02:18

Chaboy seconds. Motion and, second. All those in favor Aye. Aye. Thank you. Thank you, Megan.

Voice Ahear it at 6:02:26

I am going to open number four, please. Reopening number four. Reopen four.

Voice Ahear it at 5:51:37

Item 19 for possible action, discussion and deliberation regarding a request to set date, time and location for a public hearing on Nye County Bill number twenty twenty six-ten, a bill proposing to adopt DA 20 six-one, a development agreement between Nye County and Energy Source Green Holding Inc. And Tesla Watt Inc. Saquibatis Solar and providing for the severability constitutionality

Voice Bhear it at 5:52:05

and effective date thereof and other matters properly relating three: thereto. Speaker Thank you for that. Let's open public Chair? Yes, sir. Chair. I need to make a disclosure, please. Okay. Go ahead.

Voice Chear it at 5:52:20

At one time, I was employed and worked with this group on a totally different project. And as I said, former former group, I no longer work for this company, and legal has advised me that there is no conflict.

Voice Bhear it at 5:52:41

Thank you for that. All right. Let's see if we have any public comment. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please, for date and time?

Voice Dhear it at 5:52:48

No, chair. Closing public comment, commissioner Mister chair, I'd like to make a motion to set a date and time of public hearing for 07/07/2026

Voice Bhear it at 5:52:56

at 10AM in Tonopon, Nevada. Second. Motion, second. All those in favor. Aye. Or aye. Oskovich, aye. Four with one absent. Can we knock out consent, please?

Voice Bhear it at 5:53:18

Just to re Right.

Voice Ahear it at 5:54:34

Item 20 for possible action discussion and deliberation to A, discuss bid number 2020 chip seal screens. B, award bid number 2020 Ship seal screens, Wolfenstein aggregates, $12.22 per ton freight on board, plant in seventeen seventy five per ton FOB road yard. C, approve or amend and approve the contract with the select bidder. D, fund from 10205 Roads. Or e, provide direction to staff to how to proceed with the project. Thank you for that. Hello, Liz.

Voice Bhear it at 5:55:15

Good evening, commissioners. Elizabeth Jordan for the record, j o r d a n. I'll make it short and sweet. We, this is a annual bid package that we put together for our maintenance program. We only receive one bid, which was Wolfenstein aggregate. And we're hoping that you will approve

Voice Chear it at 5:55:34

their award the contract to them. Thank you for that. Let's open public comments. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please? No, chair. Closing public comment. Commissioners.

Voice Dhear it at 5:55:50

Disgusted. Mister chairman, I'd like to make a motion to award bid number 202605 to Openstein Aggregates, fund from January.

Voice Chear it at 5:56:07

And approve the Yeah. Approve the contract with the selected bidder. Second. Motion and a second. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Which is now Where is I? Laschichai. That's 5. Thank you, commissioners. Thank you. 21, please.

Voice Ahear it at 5:56:23

Item 21 for possible action, discussion and deliberation to approve the purchase of a surface truck for the heavy duty shop from Rush Truck Center in the amount of $242,586 to be funded from 10205 Road.

Voice Bhear it at 5:56:40

Thank you for that.

Voice Ahear it at 5:56:43

Tom or not Tom. Chris.

Voice Chear it at 5:56:50

This is Chris Fried. I'm the acting equipment maintenance supervisor for Nye County. Just wanna touch on a couple of things here. This item has been on our CIP list for almost seven years, but the purchase of the new service truck is essential to support the operational needs of the roads, public works, airport, water, and fleet service divisions. County personnel rely on service vehicles to perform field maintenance, emergency repairs, inspections, equipment servicing, and infrastructure support across a large geographic area. The current service truck is 34 years old, and it was acquired as a used vehicle. Due to its age, the unit has become increasingly costly to maintain, experiences more frequent mechanical issues, and presents reliability concerns that can affect productivity and response times. Replacement parts are becoming more difficult to obtain and extended downtime can hinder the county's ability to efficiently perform critical maintenance and repair functions. The estimated cost of a new service truck in 2019 was $115,000 Today that cost has risen to $2.42. Due to inflation, chain supply impacts, increased equipment and vehicle costs, delaying this purchase further will likely result in additional cost increases. The vehicle replacement has been identified as a priority need and has remained on the County Capital Improvement Program, CIP budget for the past seven years. Continued deferral of this replacement increases the risk of unexpected equipment failure, higher maintenance expenditures, and disruptions to essential county operations. A new service truck will provide a dependable, fully equipped mobile workspace capable of transporting personnel, tools, parts, and specialized equipment to job sites safely and efficiently. The vehicle will support maintenance activities for county roads, water infrastructure, airport facilities, and fleet assets while improving operational efficiency and reducing maintenance costs. Replacing this aging unit will enhance employee safety, minimize service disruptions, and help ensure the continued delivery of essential public services to county residents. Given the age, condition, and current critical role of this vehicle, staff respectively request that this replacement not be deferred again during the current budget cycle. After seven years on the CIP, further postponement will only increase operating costs and the likelihood of a significant service interruption. Funding this replacement now represents a prudent investment in the county's infrastructure, workforce, and the ability to provide reliable public services.

Voice Bhear it at 5:59:44

Cool. Thank you. Let's, open public comment. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please? No, chair. Opposing public comment, commissioners, motion.

Voice Dhear it at 5:59:56

Yeah. It's it's it was actually budgeted for this year, but since they didn't put any kind of backup or any kind of list of vehicles for you guys to approve last year for this fiscal, we've had to come back for every single purchase that we've had to this is one of those. Motion to approve is written. Second. Motion

Voice Bhear it at 6:00:16

second. All those in favor. Aye. Thank you. Thank you. Is signed. Five zero. Thank you. 18, please.

Voice Ahear it at 3:21:10

Item 22 for possible action, presentation, discussion and deliberation on A, Greg Zargas, Managing Director of Investments with the Nevada Clean Energy Fund presents the Commercial Property Assessed Clean Energy Program, C PACE, and B, Adopt, Amendment, Adopt or Reject Nye County Resolution 20 '20 six -seven, a resolution by the Nye County Board of County Commissioners creating a commercial property assessed clean energy program to provide the means of financing one or more energy efficiency improvement projects, renewable energy projects, water efficiency improvement projects, or resiliency projects for qualifying commercial or industrial real property together with our matters properly relating thereto.

Voice Bhear it at 3:22:03

Thank you for that. And hello, sir.

Voice Chear it at 3:22:05

All right. Thank you. Good afternoon. Thank you so much for having me here today. My name is Greg Zegas. That's z e g a s. I'm with the Nevada Clean Energy Fund, and I'm going to spend a couple minutes talking about C PACE. So I have the slides up here, but I don't see them up on the screen yet. There we go. Mhmm. Thank you. So really quickly, I'm with the Nevada Clean Energy Fund. We are a nonprofit organization that was created by state statute, basically, to provide financing and technical assistance to all sorts of projects and communities across the state. We do a lot with gap filling in the market, so serving small to medium sized businesses and buildings as well as individual single family households and multifamily housing so that they can reduce their energy costs and, you know, achieve economic development through many of these projects. We focus a lot on consumer protections. We're sort of, meant to be a steward for communities so that they understand these different types of financing structures and are better able to implement them in ways that make common sense. So I'm gonna talk about CPACE for a few minutes. CPACE is a topic that maybe is not familiar to some people, but it's not rocket science. It's something that has been implemented nationwide, to support commercial real estate development, for about a decade or so. It's a financing structure that is enabled, at the state level. So state statute has to enable this commercial property assessed clean energy mechanism. Over the last ten years, it has enabled, you know, several billion dollars of investment in these types of properties across the country. In Nevada, it was established by NRS February a few years ago, and most of the large metropolitan areas in Nevada allow C PACE. And what it is in a nutshell is basically a financing structure that allows property developers to do retrofits and new constructions to achieve energy savings in a way that does not expose the local jurisdiction to any cost or really any risk because a private lender is the one that's putting all of the money towards the project. So the really important thing to understand is that the local jurisdiction does not have to whatsoever. They actually get paid by the project if the project ultimately goes through. It can be something of a complicated process, which is why, every local jurisdiction has to enable, or select a program administrator ultimately. So I think, for clarity today, what you're considering is sort of step one where you consider passing the CPAs resolution, and then subsequently, you'd consider selecting a CPAs program administrator to manage the entire process. I wanna mention as well that this is a priority of the governor's office of economic development. Donna Corey, who's here today with, SW Creda, actually submitted a letter of support, for this motion this morning, which I shared with, with Brett this morning as well, and that can be shared with the commission commissioners later on, if desired. And one really thing important thing to understand too is that, CPACE is limited in its size, so it's meant to support projects, and reduce the risk through really robust underwriting standards. And that means that any property that is doing C PACE, you cannot take out a C PACE loan for more than 25% of the appraised value of the property for a retrofit or 35% of the appraised value for a new construction or a gut rehab. And so C PACE historically can support new construction retro projects of all sizes. In Vegas, you see these mega projects. Right? Tens of millions or over 100,000,000. What we are focused on at the Nevada Clean Energy Fund and where we see the gap in the market in a place like Pahrump is sort of the small to medium sized buildings and businesses, projects that are smaller than 5,000,000, even smaller than 2,000,000, or even smaller than 1,000,000. And we have experience doing those types of financing. We did the past casino, HVAC water chiller retrofit, a few months back in in Henderson. So we're not talking about big data centers or gigantic, you know, utility scale solar projects. We're really talking about enabling sort of small businesses and building owners to be able to access beneficial capital to implement systems that reduce energy savings. What types of systems? Any sort of energy efficiency project, clean energy projects, could be rooftop solar or carport solar, resiliency projects, which includes fire resistance upgrades, seismic retrofits, air pollution, protection upgrades, as well as water efficiency projects as as we all know, which is a really important topic in this area. I know I'm running out of time, so I'm not gonna spend too much time on this. But the long story short is that C PACE is nonrecourse and nonaccelerable, and it stays with the property. And so that provides some benefits to the property owners that are taking out the loan, and it makes lenders more comfortable with lending to those properties. And the last thing I'll say is that state statute is very clear that it prohibits a local jurisdiction from putting any money towards repaying a C PACE obligation, that exists on our property. So it's meant to be risk taken on by a private lender, and it is intended to not complicate or mess up the local jurisdiction's tax collection process in any way whatsoever.

Voice Bhear it at 3:27:48

Cool. I appreciate that. So it's possible, actually, public comment. So we're going to do public comment if you stand by. We'll open public comment and see if we have anybody on the phone for this item, Sam, please.

Voice Dhear it at 3:28:01

Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ehear it at 3:28:08

That's Borisovich. Actually, I wanted to speak on the previous presentation. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 3:28:16

Thank you. Hello, Tammy. Come on up.

Voice Ehear it at 3:28:21

Tammy Pittman, p I t m a n. Hair on the back of my neck is standing up. It sounds too good to be true. I grew up with thee. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Thank you.

Voice Dhear it at 3:28:35

Sam, do we have anybody else, please? Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ehear it at 3:28:43

Yes. Amy Nelson, any l I'm just curious to know if they are going to partner with any other carriers, any other carrier like T Mobile, AT and T, those kinds of I think you what?

Voice Bhear it at 3:29:05

Well, I think you might be on the wrong item. What? This one's C PACE, Ms. Nelson.

Voice Fhear it at 3:29:12

Item 22. Oh,

Voice Bhear it at 3:29:14

okay. Okay. Sorry. That's okay. Thank you. Sam, do we have anybody else on the phone, please? No, chair. We're gonna close public public comment.

Voice Fhear it at 3:29:25

Yeah. Chair, I'd like to make a motion to adopt resolution number 202607.

Voice Ghear it at 3:29:30

I have a a question about this before we do that. I'm sorry. It's it's kind of vague. This is not for residential. Is that correct? That's correct. This is only for commercial And what do you need us for, I guess? I mean, who's telling you you can't loan out to these people? Why are we required here?

Voice Chear it at 3:29:44

If I may. Please. Yeah. It's fine. So the reason that the the local jurisdiction has to get involved, it's a two part process. So I mentioned that state statute allows C PACE generally, and then each local jurisdiction has to enable it because the local jurisdiction is recording a special assessment on the property that is treated as a lien on the property if the property were ever to be foreclosed and go through the trustee

Voice Bhear it at 3:30:09

foreclosure. So why do you need us to enforce your bills for you? Why don't you just do what every other business owner in the world does and just collect their own bills? Why do we have to have the assessor's office put someone on for a special assessment?

Voice Chear it at 3:30:21

Yeah. That's a great question. So in Nevada, the local jurisdiction actually doesn't need to be the one collecting the bills. So it's the private lender who has to service the loan and collect the bills. It's merely the authority to put a special assessment on that property on behalf of the private lender as a security for that loan. So I guess the question for business owners in in the county is we can't just slap a special assessment on there. Why do you get the extra protection? How how am I supposed to answer my constituents and say, why are we doing this for solar,

Voice Ghear it at 3:30:52

but we're not doing this for anyone else?

Voice Chear it at 3:30:54

So the the mechanism is created to support investments that reduce utility expense. So we're only allowing it only allows for investments that reduce utility bills or water bills or have some beneficial outcome to the county in some other, sense. So it's not just a financial benefit that these programs are enabling.

Voice Ghear it at 3:31:16

It's enabling those sort of energy savings and water savings. And so that's why So no answer on that. Even a priority. Okay. So are you Nevada Clean Energy Fund? I am with the Nevada Clean Energy So you joined a coalition with 22 states to file a lawsuit against Trump because he cut the solar. Is that right? Can you talk about a little bit about that? I I would love to speak on it at a high level. Can you do it at low level just because we don't have a lot of time? Sure. Thank you.

Voice Chear it at 3:31:42

So the state's attorney general is representing the Nevada Clean Energy Funds in this ongoing litigation process where close to $200,000,000, of grant funding were terminated, for reasons that remain somewhat hazy and uncertain. So that is an ongoing process where we are involved with the state attorney That's your funding that you want us to help you out with. Right? That funding has no relevance to or the pursuit of unlocking those funds has no relevance to or Forget the pursuit. The funds themselves. Are these funds that Trump said, I don't want these anymore?

Voice Ghear it at 3:32:20

I can't comment on them. You don't you can't comment or you don't know? I don't know what the administration's priorities are. Okay. Well, alright. So what's the lawsuit? I mean, do are you familiar with the law? I know you're not an attorney, but do you know what the lawsuit is or no? Are you familiar with it? Yeah. So the lawsuit is basically a

Voice Chear it at 3:32:35

litigation in the federal court of claims, the court of federal claims, pursuing damages Okay. Or losses that are incurred because communities in Nevada are unable to benefit from

Voice Ghear it at 3:32:49

funds to, again, implement, for example, solar on multifamily affordable housing projects to help reduce power costs. So you could put solar on a multifamily project here, and then if somehow they dispute or they don't pay, then we've tacked a special assessment using the resources of our assessor that now just lost a person because we don't have the money to pay them. They're going to enforce your bill and and make sure that you collect. But every other business in America can't do that. Does that pretty much summarize it? Actually, just to clarify, those funds that are Please do. Talking about with Solar For All have nothing to do with CPASE Other than the funds, the process is correct. Is that what you're saying? It's it's actually quite a different process. Well, tell me. So you're not you don't want a special assessment? The CPA's process does call for a special assessment. The solar for all funds are not to be Forget the solar for all. I'm saying that what I'm saying is you can go to a multi family 40 unit property, put solar on there, you sell them on solar, and then for some reason, the deal goes south or they don't pay you. Now we have to use the resources, county resources to collect your money for you so that your lender or whoever is on whatever chain of the contract gets paid. So you get paid. Is that correct? Or where am I wrong? Where the concern is coming from for sure. So if if a property is not paying a CPACE loan, then that usually means that it's also not paying its property taxes. Well, don't presume for me. Why don't you just answer the question? I appreciate that. But why don't you just tell me what happens from your standpoint? I don't need you to lecture me on how the government works. Tell me that if they're not paying you as a consume as a as a provider, then you will go to us and we will collect your money for you. Is that correct or is that not correct? That's not correct. It's not correct. So you don't want a special assessment to collect the money for you? Special assessment requires that if the property is sold, then the delinquent payments are paid back to the private lender. So if that happens, we're not gonna we're not gonna make sure you get paid on that. That sounds to me like you're getting paid from what we're doing. Otherwise, you wouldn't be sitting here. Again, the private lenders take all the risk. Okay. Thanks. SB two eighty three, you familiar with that? Am I familiar with s is that a question? Senate Bill two eighty three. That is a question. Are you familiar with Senate Bill two eighty three? I'm not familiar with Senate Bill two Senate Bill two eighty three is your enabling for your section two seventy one. Every single Republican voted no on that, both the House and the Assembly and the Senate. And that's a part of the National Greenhouse Gas Reduction Inflation Reduction Act. Every single Republican in Congress voted against that, 51 to 50 in the Senate. And here we sit, no Republicans voted for this bill. This is where your money's coming from. I can't support this. I can't support this because I don't want preferential treatment for businesses that provides things that Democrats in Congress think are a benefit. Just unilaterally, they they determine that solar is a benefit. I don't agree. You know? And if solar is such a great benefit, let it stand on its own. Why are we subsidizing solar? Not only just in money, but in resources. At the very end, we have to record special assessments. We're not gonna do that for somebody who doesn't pay their gambling debt down at the prom nugget. We're not gonna get a special assessment so if they sell the house, they get their money. We're not gonna do that for any of the HVAC companies where if they don't pay their HVAC bill, then we're gonna do a special assessment. Commissioner Strickland's businesses will get a special assessment if they don't pay commissioner Strickland and her businesses, and then all of a sudden she's sorry, but it's true. I mean, it's I'm just saying her my business. I have a business also. So I can't vote for this. This is Democrat entitlement. This is Democrat nonsense. I am a hard no on this. If you wanna pass this, go ahead and join all of the Democrats in Congress and all of the Democrats in the state legislature in passing it. I'm a no. Thank you, mister chairman. Thank

Voice Bhear it at 3:36:15

you. Mister Gervor, do have anything for us? Oh, no, sir. Not until you come for the vote.

Voice Bhear it at 3:36:23

We haven't got a second. We haven't got a second yet. We had one in the audience. Is no is, do we not have a second? I'm not seconding.

Voice Fhear it at 3:36:38

Nope. Alright. It's dead. Do we understand why it's dead? Do we understand what the special assessment is? Because I think we had a lot of rhetoric from a certain commissioner that basically a special assessment is the same thing that happens on a piece of property should a utility come through and give you utilities that you didn't have before. Let's say you had a water service and you had a special assessment on your property. That special assessment has a, a time, a a status within the recorded documents that says that special assessment is ever bit as, validated as the deed on the property. So that's all the special assessment's for. Now if we were to choose to do this, we would be supporting, companies being able to make their own decision with these lending institutions to get their water service updated, their solar, which I absolutely believe in solar, updated or have solar implemented on their property, anything that has to do with energy. So I don't understand what all that was about, you know, Democrats and special private this and that. We know, commissioner. We know you don't understand. I don't understand it. What I do understand is what's before me, which is CPAC. And so CPAC is at at an avenue for businesses to get assistance with their utility bills and their utility needs. And so that's why I did a a first on it. That's my explanation. Thank you, chair.

Voice Ghear it at 3:38:20

You, mister chairman. I'm an appraiser, so I know a little bit about special symptoms. I get it. I don't think there's any confusion. This isn't born out of confusion. This is born out of contempt for preferential treatment, for failed ideology that is coming through partisan channels coming down from congress. Know with all Republicans in congress. Know with all Republicans at the state level, including our Greg Hafen, your friend Greg Hafen. Tell him you're gonna support this, including Pete, whatever his last name is, I can't pronounce, who was our state senator, who's probably probably friendly with him too. But we're opposed to all these people. All of these people said no on this for a reason. If you wanna call them stupid or call them up and say if they don't understand what happened, go right ahead. Be my guest. But I'm still a no on this. Greenhouse reduction. That doesn't have anything to do with this. Alright. Enabling statute, madam. It's right here. I can hand it to you.

Voice Fhear it at 3:39:09

Well, it died. Thank you, sir. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 3:39:14

Alright. Manager number six, please.

Voice Ahear it at 1:47:51

Item 23, presentation by Tyson Folk regarding an update on the development of the Rialite Ridge Lithium Boron Project, five-minute time limit.

Voice Bhear it at 1:48:00

Thank you, Mr. Chair, Vice Chair, Commissioners. For the record, Tyson Falk, last name F as in Frank A-L-K. I'm here to just give a brief update on the Rhyolite Ridge Lithium Boron Project in Esmeralda County. I do have a presentation. Can you guys see that presentation?

Voice Chear it at 1:48:17

There Yes, we go.

Voice Chear it at 1:48:19

Okay, great. I'm going to try to stick within my five minutes, so I'm going to kind of just go quickly and hit sort of the highlights. Forward looking statement is not investment advice. Again with Tyson Falk. So just real quickly, you know, Rye Light Ridge is in Esmeralda County, so about, you know, 60 miles as the crow flies here from Tonopah, about a little over an hour drive. We are fully funded and we are about to be fully funded and we're fully permitted as a project. We received a record of decision in fall of 2024. And so we are going to be hopefully starting construction this fall. We've said publicly that for our funding that that should be concluded by the end of this month, June of 2026. So we should be able to make announcements in that regard and then we'll move towards construction. in this fall so we're a critical minerals project about an average of 500 jobs for construction over three years and then 280 full-time going forward over operations and the resources over about a hundred years resource and we have expansion potential as well it's a unique deposit in terms of we have two critical minerals we've talked about a lithium a lot that's a big coming here over the last six years but we also have boron and boron was recently We introduced or was listed as a critical mineral by the United States government just last fall. And so both of those are critical for things like permanent magnets, advanced batteries, semiconductors and national defense systems and, of course, domestication our supply chains for those minerals. So really important project from the from the U.S. perspective of both national and economic security. Of course, battery storage is what's driving with. renewable energy in demand. You know, it's been electric vehicles primarily up until now. Now you've seen data centers really kind of taking that to another level, increasing demand in their own right, of course AI being a principal driver of that. As I mentioned, boron was added to the critical minerals. Kevlar cannot be made without boric acid and that is boron carbide. It's material, it's the third strongest material we know on planet Earth. Just short below diamond and a tungsten alloy, so it's used for federal planning. supply chain resilience and we'll be able to do that here on site not too far away from here in Tonopah we have a world-class suite of partners that you see on the wheel on the left that is part of both construction build out and operational as we go forward we do have customers that have fully binding off take agreements that they'll be purchasing our lithium and well as well as boron you see some of the companies that are listed for our customers Ford Motor Company Jaguar Energy is in Reno they make batteries for deep cycle batteries so they come stock in RVs the motorhomes that type of stuff Um, Caterpillar is our partner. We have a fully autonomous haul fleet, so they are a huge partner that they will be building out a facility somewhere nearby for the operations and maintenance of which I'm not going to go through our process diagram. Essentially, it's a sulfuric acid leach in closed tanks. You pull it out over a day and a half. Here's where the largest lithium boron reserve outside of Turkey. It's important just real quick on boron. There's only one operating mine in the United States and that's in. That's from Boron, California. It's currently up for sale by Rio Tinto. Other than that, it all comes from Turkey. So boron is used in 300-some commercial applications, including a lot of things that you're touching right now. So it's important to have that, to try to expand on that duopoly, which exists sort of right now. We increased our leached, or we reduced our leached time rather, so we were able to actually increase when we start the number or the amount of lithium. lithium as well as boron that we're going to be able to produce a year so increasing revenue on that just we were able to reduce the leach time it's not as efficient we don't get as all out of it but we double the throughput so overall it makes a lot more material that we can create Right here real quick, forecast is very stable in terms of its cost over time. Lithium is not. Lithium is variable. That's why it's great to have those two minerals in our process and they all come through the sort of same flow sheet. Very quickly, annual operations, you know, we're targeting $189 million in terms of its operational impacts and economic activity. Local impacts over $1.5 billion. And of course, Knight County will be. be a primary recipient in that because we expect a lot of folks to be living in Tonopah a lot of service providers to be located here and so we did this study with applied analysis several years ago we just recently updated it I think last year so you can see and you can read those for yourself so I'm going to just go quickly through because of the two minerals we're going to be at the bottom of the cost curve in terms of our economic competitiveness of what we can produce lithium for so it's a really unique project. um done a lot of work with um tribal engagement as well as community engagement i myself have been coming to this table for i'm almost seventh year i can't believe it um and

Voice Chear it at 1:53:19

then that's it i flew back really quick but i think the end of the story is hopefully start construction this fall and really looking forward to to doing that um and look forward to staying engaged with um with the commission here in knight county and so we'll certainly stay in touch as as things progress

Voice Dhear it at 1:53:35

Thank you very much, Tyson. Commissioners, do you have any questions for Tyson?

Voice Ehear it at 1:53:41

No questions. I just like to thank Tyson and his group for being a community participant in many ways. We appreciate you.

Voice Chear it at 1:53:49

Well, thank you very much. It's always a pleasure for sure.

Voice Dhear it at 1:53:51

Good community partners. Thank you. Alright, let's move on to 14, please.

Voice Ahear it at 3:12:46

Item 24, presentation by Nathan Whitaker regarding the expansion of stimulus broadband fiber Internet services to Pahrump, Nevada. Construction is beginning this summer and will deliver speeds up to 2,500 megabytes per second to business and residents.

Voice Bhear it at 3:13:07

Thank you for that. Hello, sir. Hello. Good afternoon. I'm Nathan Whittaker,

Voice Chear it at 3:13:11

W H I T T A C R E. I'm the founder and CEO of Simulis Technologies. We're a Henderson, Nevada based business and longtime Southern Nevada resident. Are Stimulus Technologies is an information technology company. We offer managed IT, cybersecurity, and Internet services. Last July, we were awarded a grant program through the Nevada Office of Science Information Technology to deploy fiber optic network to unserved and underserved locations in Southern Nevada, including in Pahrump. And it's a $76,000,000 project for Pahrump to bring low cost, high speed Internet to the residents in the area. I wanted to present the project and where we're at today and just give an opportunity to answer any questions that you may have. So a little bit, as I mentioned, about Simulos Technologies. I'm one of the founders. We've been in business for over thirty years in Southern Nevada, family run business. My dad, my brother, and I started the company in my brother's garage. It's been a joy to provide services to Southern Nevada, and we've expanded into five states, mostly focused on rural areas for our business. May or may not work. So a little bit about the project. It covers about 500 miles of fiber optic service throughout Pahrump, including 11,000 grant pass locations. We'll be attaching to approximately 5,000 poles. The mix of construction is about 45% aerial. The fiber will be attached to poles and about 55% underground. So we've been working with Valley Electric on pole attachments and doing the engineering part of that. The community may have seen engineers in town reviewing the poles, and we've been working through the engineering process with Valley Electric currently and then been in contact with the public works on the underground and the rest of the permits. We've submitted an MOU, a template MOU to public works that we hope to get in place for all the permitting that needs to be done. As this is a state and local fiscal recovery grant, All construction has to be completed by the end of this year. So we're on really tight timelines to get this done and been working extensively on the design and now moving into permitting and hopefully construction in the next two months. Mhmm. So we have several areas that we'll be doing the construction. The underground portion, I heard a comment behind me. It was all directional underground boring, so we are not doing any open trenching construction. So we're not, planning on trenching or tearing open streets. It's all underground bore, which is a lot less impact on traffic and, the streets. So the first area of this, zone a, encompasses most of the, South Side of town. This is mostly underground and proposing about 6,700 total subscribers, about 75 miles in that area of aerial and about 200 miles of underground. Our central office location will be right across from the post office on Postal Road, and that's where most of the service will originate from, is up there. And we'll have a small retail service center as part of it also. Zone b, we move on, further north, about a thousand subscribers in that area, and most it's about fifty fifty aerial and underground. Our projected timelines for start of construction that is end of July moving into September. Zone C moves over to the West side of town. About 31 miles of aerial and 60 miles of underground, most of this will be aerial and about 1,000 subscribers in this area and project a timeline again end of this next quarter. Zone D is on the far Northwest side of town, about 42 miles of aerial and 19 miles of underground. And I guess that concludes my time. We're just excited

Voice Bhear it at 3:18:13

to present this project. You can go ahead and

Voice Chear it at 3:18:17

wrap. Yeah. And then finally, well, two more zones. Zone e, kind of on the Northwest side of town. This will have about 41 miles of aerial, 23 miles of underground, about 1,000 locations in this area. And that's later construction into October, November timeline. And then finally, Zonaff moves into the far North side of town. It's about 31 miles of aerial and 13 miles of underground. And this we are a winner of Bead project, which is an infrastructure ground project, and we'll be deploying into Armargasso Valley and Ash Meadows and extending from that into some of the areas that are more underserved. Great thing about this program too is it's a low cost fiber program. So we'll be able to offer fiber services for as low as $30 a month to the residents for 100 meg symmetric service. So it's a low cost program, but it's all fiber optic. And we're to be deploying. Happy to answer any questions about the project.

Voice Bhear it at 3:19:23

You guys have any questions, anybody? Commissioner Jabbour.

Voice Dhear it at 3:19:27

Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Mr. Whitaker. Just a question. I know you just said you'll be able to do this for approximately $30 a home. Do you find yourself competing with Starlink at all?

Voice Chear it at 3:19:45

So at Starlink's rate for that same plan is about $55 a month currently, and they have data caps. So our service will have no data caps. So it's a better service, more reliable. It's all fiber optic hardline connection versus Starlink is susceptible to weather. And they change prices. It's a month to month agreement with Starlink. So they just had a 10% price increase last month for residents. So ours is fixed in the contract for the federal interest period. For a minimum of five years, we can adjust any prices.

Voice Dhear it at 3:20:22

Well, thank you. That's a little more information that the people would like to hear and know. And you can go out to our website, stimulusbroadband.com.

Voice Chear it at 3:20:32

We have if you want more information, we have a fiber interest list. Our end plan is to serve all the residents of Pahrump Valley. So there will be several phases of this project. The first phase that we have to get done by the end of this year is for about 12,000 homes. Wow.

Voice Bhear it at 3:20:52

Well, thank you. Thank you very much for the presentations. Thank you for your time. It's exciting. Thank you. Okay, manager number 24, please. Nope. Sorry. 22, please. We don't need to do 24 again.

Voice Ahear it at 6:06:20

Item 25, general public comment, up to three minute time limit per person. Public comment will be for all matters off the agenda. Public comment must be limited to matters that are within the jurisdiction and control the Board of County Commissioners. Action will not be taken on the matters considered during this period until specifically included on an agenda as an action item. Thank you for that. Come on down in front, please.

Voice Bhear it at 6:06:51

Mary Kay Radcliffe, r a d c l I f f e. Mister Bain, I have a question for you and a a request. When you ask somebody a question, can you let them answer it so that we can hear it without you interrupting? I found it very irritating and it's unprofessional.

Voice Chear it at 6:07:12

Thank you. Thank you. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone,

Voice Dhear it at 6:07:16

Bruce. Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ehear it at 6:07:23

Yes. Amy Nelson, n e l s o n. And you're right. It's been a long day. I don't get paid to listen to this, but you get paid to do it, and you get paid to listen to us. I'm not happy with some of the things that were done and have been done in these meetings. And, hopefully, with new people on the board, we can make different arrangements for the public to be heard and for these meetings to be held for the public. Some of the behavior in the way that this political season has brought out in some of our officials is telling very telling. We have one commissioner that is campaigning against a ceding commissioner, and we have another commissioner campaigning with the commissioner, it it makes other commissioners look bad. It makes the person that's doing that look bad. And why would anybody vote for a candidate for somebody who's doing that? Nobody will. The association is there. That candidate may as well never run-in Nye County again, not for another ten years anyway, because that kind of conduct just isn't acceptable. We're a small community. We're not in Clark County where nobody gives a crap. People here may not show up to your meetings, but they're watching and they're listening to you on Facebook. And they don't like what they're looking at, and they don't like what they're hearing. I just hope that the people get out there and and give give a good lesson to those that are doing things like this. Thank you very much. I'll quit talking so you can hurry on home.

Voice Chear it at 6:09:26

Sam, do we have anybody else, please? Turn the pod, please, sir. Okay.

Voice Fhear it at 6:09:32

Thank you. Go ahead. Yeah, this is Michael Locke. This is Michael Locke, L A C H. I just wanted I know you guys are tired of getting praised all day, so I just wanted to commend some of you on the Board but who were there when you actually pulled the bond on the Shawnee Ridge, which hadn't been done for seven or eight years. And then the road department and Nye County District Attorney worked tirelessly to get that subdivision paved and you are now have low income housing or $300,000 homes, which would be the least expensive stick built home being built in the center of town for people to move into. And that was all done by the work of your county departments and pushing to get that done. If they did not do what they did, it would have never got finished. So congratulations.

Voice Ghear it at 6:10:27

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Locke.

Voice Chear it at 6:10:29

Sam, do we have anybody else, please?

Voice Dhear it at 6:10:32

Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Hhear it at 6:10:39

Hello, commissioners. Michael David Garcia, d a r c I a. Can you hear me? Go ahead, man. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. But good effort. You know what I mean? It's it's nice to see potential criminal activity wanting to be investigated and audited. And I really think that we should be relying a little bit more on the state and federal partners because our track record when it comes to fraud, extortion, and official oppression is not very good when you consider the badges, you know, elected officials, the DA, as well as the judges. And, you know, I I just I really think we need outside help because your track record for standing up for things that are unconstitutional or, you know, the traffic of due process, unconstitutional ordinances, DOCC 7.52, you know, like, it supersedes the the First Amendment. You know, we really have some some big issues out there. And if you don't recognize the First Amendment, I'd I'd definitely question those constitutional wages. Y'all raised your hand and swore to uphold. And when it comes to decorum, you know, it's self evident, you know, who's who and and who lacked decorum. There is it it's pretty obvious. So I definitely think y'all need to, you know, brush up on the what the declaration of independence actually meant and, the bill of rights. You know, there there's no there's no need for it, but, I think, on the election interference, Tina Peterson did less, and she definitely did more time. So thank you all, and have a good one.

Voice Chear it at 6:12:27

Sam, do we have any oh, sorry. Go ahead, Mary Linda.

Voice Ghear it at 6:12:35

Linda Clark, c l a r k. Well, another long day. Okay. All I want to say is this agenda seems to be kind of organized, but the way you guys go through it is unorganized. And I know you do it for certain people. They have to come and they have to leave or they're in another position and they gotta go back to work. But there were a lot of people here that wanted to talk about a couple of things. They couldn't because you didn't have the agenda in front of them that they wanted to talk about because it wasn't in the order that you printed at. So I would like to see that improved a little bit because it's not fair to them that took their time off work or their kids or whatever to come here to speak to something and it's not even on the agenda at the time that they wanna talk about it when they're here. So most of them can't stay till 06:30. They've got kids. They've got families. They have to get home. So maybe we could be a little bit more organized on how we present this agenda to the public, especially the people that come here to listen to it. Other than that, I pray that the next one is shorter. We can go home at a decent time and have dinner with our families and do some smart smart debating. Thank you.

Voice Chear it at 6:13:57

Thanks. Sam, do you have anybody, please?

Voice Dhear it at 6:14:03

Yes. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ihear it at 6:14:10

Hello, commissioners. Mhmm. And just so Linda Clark did did a good job there. Bruce Johnson, j o h n s o n. You know, she she hit a couple things on the head there. You know? And I just wanna let a little park there know that, you know, this is actually known to be a tactic in some communities to be able to confuse the people and throw the people off and also to be able to kinda regulate the amount of public comment that's gonna be coming in because they know that a lot of people don't have the time and or the patience to stick around for an entire day in order to get through a a meeting. So, you know, maybe we can work out some constructive measure on that. And, really, what I think that the people really need to kinda come together and, you know, push for, which the board needs to consider as well, would be a town hall meeting where a lot of these things can kinda be ironed out that would actually would eliminate a lot of the public comment discussion that takes place in a lot of these board meetings that come up. I just wanna throw that out there to give something to board all to have something to marinate in your mind. And I'd like to close today by returning once again to the first principles because voting matters. Purpose of government is not simply administration. It is the protection of rights, private property, public, liberty, resources, and public trust. And with that comes fiduciary responsibility, the duty to exercise authority carefully, transparently, and within the proper limits. Looking at across the discussions taking place in Nye County today, residents are seeing major decisions are seeing major decisions involving water, groundwater basin assessments, development, mining, energy projects, infrastructure expansion, code enforcement, budgeting pressures, and administrative restructuring all occurring at the same time. Naturally, the people begin asking long term questions. How will this affect future How will water resources be protected? How are rights and property be imbalanced against expanding administrative structures? And how can public meaningfully participate before major directions become fixed. And you know what? I'll yield and end it there. Y'all have a nice week, and God bless you.

Voice Chear it at 6:17:03

Sam, do we have anybody else, please? No, chair. God bless. Close. 24 6, please.

Voice Ahear it at 6:17:21

26, commissioner manager comments. This item is limited to announcements, brief discussions of public comments, correction of factual inaccuracies, direction to staff for topics proposed for future board meetings, lengthy deliberation of topics not on the agenda is prohibited by the Nevada Open Meeting Law. I'm good, Chair. Thank you. Thank you. Commissioner

Voice Chear it at 6:17:48

Thank you. I will turn it over to the county clerk temporarily, chair.

Voice Dhear it at 6:17:55

Hi, chair. Real quick, I just wanted to say that our shout out this morning did work. We were at nine point seven. We're up to fourteen point one on voters. But I have an amazing staff. I just want to say a big shout out. I have an amazing staff who's taking care of this. So thank you. Thanks, Corey. Why do you think today had such a big jump?

Voice Bhear it at 6:18:19

From nine to No.

Voice Dhear it at 6:18:21

I'd I'd say honestly, it's because of my staff. We've had we only had a 100 and some voters, but we finally were able to get caught up on some of this mail that we've had. So Good. Yes, the voters are great, but we got this. And, you know, we've just been busting. It's all working.

Voice Bhear it at 6:18:39

Alright. Thank you. Thank you, Corey.

Voice Chear it at 6:18:42

Go ahead. Yes. Thank you, chair. Thank you. So you know, I've said this before, I'll say it again. We afford the public the opportunity, whether on the phone or in chambers, to be heard. And we hear them. And if you do the math of how many items there were and how long this day has taken, we had over four hours of public comment. So yes, we are paid to be here. I'm happy to be here. I'm happy to hear the input and the feedback. But please, how about that's marinated? Let that marinate in everybody's minds. Do the math, okay? And we afford the opportunity. I don't want to stop it, but that's why we're here so long. And I appreciate, again, their feedback. Thank you, chair.

Voice Bhear it at 6:19:45

Thank you, commissioner. Commissioner Strickland now, Mr. Koenig?

Voice Chear it at 6:19:52

You're kidding. I have nothing.

Voice Bhear it at 6:19:55

Thanks. At the staff, I so apologize for keeping you here so damn late. We'll try to do better. So please forgive us.