August 4, 2026

Voice Ahear it at 5:52:44

Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to open this meeting. It's a continuation of yesterday's meeting, even though it is a continuation about revised statutes demands that we have opening public comment. So right after the pledge, we'll be doing that. So, did you want me to pledge allegiance, please?

Voice Bhear it at 5:53:05

Sir, chair, may I request a moment of silence for the Metro officer that we lost last night? If we could just take a moment, please, while we stand for a moment of silence in respect for that loss. Thank you, chair.

Voice Ahear it at 5:53:25

Thank you. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Good morning Commissioner Bain. All right now. Item two, from yesterday.

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In two general public comment, up to three minute time limit per person. Public comment will be for all matters off the agenda. Public comment must be limited to matters that are within the jurisdiction and control of the Board of County Commissioners. Action will not be taken on the matters considered during this period until specifically included on an agenda as an action item.

Voice Ahear it at 0:09:46

Good morning, commissioners. My name is Dwight Lilly, L-I-L-L-Y, and I want to bring an event that happened yesterday before the meeting that took place, and I think you need to know about it and maybe in a future plan for it. There was a large crowd of people that were lined up waiting to get into the building. It was right at about 100 degrees outside, and we had a lady pass out.

Voice Bhear it at 0:10:13

and had to be taken over to the grass and revived and we have an air-conditioned building sitting here and I think that the situational awareness of such an event anticipating such a hot topic item as we had yesterday that there would be large crowds of people that in the future that the building be opened up so people could get in out just when it's heat like that.

Voice Ahear it at 0:10:37

The second item I want to bring up is to say I was astonished, I wasn't astonished when I saw the developer get up here and give testimony yesterday that the people that we pay, hire and pay to do building inspections, just comes in and goes, yeah, it looks pretty good to me.

Voice Bhear it at 0:10:59

That is totally irresponsible behavior, and he said in his testimony, you guys heard it, that this apparently is.

Voice Ahear it at 0:11:07

practice here in the Nye County Building Department so I'd like you to investigate report back to the public your findings about who the people are that are not doing the proper inspections and what corrective action that you intend to take because of it because people deserve when they build houses or they have businesses built that they know that it was properly inspected by the builder the contractors and so they don't have situation

Voice Bhear it at 0:11:33

Where my friend John Urbis has, he had to spend $25,000 to repair it because of cracks in the floors of the wall. The next item I wanted to get into is that going forward, these meetings are probably going to be crowded with people because there are a lot of people paying attention to the county right now and it's because they've woken up. They have noticed that there is a lack of transparency. The data center obviously has been on the burner for a long time.

Voice Chear it at 0:12:08

Chair, may I stop his time? DA, may I ask a question?

Voice Chear it at 0:12:14

If this is a continuation from yesterday, are we allowed to talk about an agenda item from yesterday?

Voice Ehear it at 0:12:21

What the statute says is it's the same agenda.

Voice Ehear it at 0:12:25

That item is on the agenda.

Voice Chear it at 0:12:26

So, data centers is off for

Voice Ehear it at 0:12:28

No, it's not off.

Voice Chear it at 0:12:29

But if we had that agenda item yesterday. So you don't talk about agenda items.

Voice Ahear it at 0:12:35

But it's not on the agenda

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not have on

Voice Chear it at 0:12:38

isn't this a continuance from yesterday?

Voice Ehear it at 0:12:40

get that, but we're in a real technical area here.

Voice Chear it at 0:12:43

Oh, I love it. I love that we're talking about it because we have not experienced this

Voice Ehear it at 0:12:46

This is a very

Voice Ehear it at 0:12:48

but the what, what, please, what. What the OML manual talks about is that this is a continuation of the previous meeting with the same agenda. And so I'm concerned about the language that says with the same agenda that, you know, and so that the data center material is on that agenda. But then the other issue is. Again, it's it's it's very very difficult issue. Um and I think you know just to be safe Um my recommendation is to allow any

Voice Ehear it at 0:13:33

comments with regard to the data centers just so that we're not uh muddying the waters and have

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to have to deal with that issue.

Voice Fhear it at 0:13:39

May I make a point of information

Voice Chear it at 0:13:40

Thank you, Chair. Thank you, DA.

Voice Fhear it at 0:13:42

Thank you, madam. We discuss Nye County government every single day, every single item. We discussed yesterday a ban on data centers, so I don't know if it's necessarily applicable to discuss. No, you can't talk about data centers. We just can't talk about the ban on data centers, I believe. That's my belief of that, because, again, if you were to take that same logic, we couldn't talk about Nye County government because every agenda item has to do with Nye County government. It's

Voice Fhear it at 0:14:09

Thank you, Chair.

Voice Chear it at 0:14:10

I'll start your time again, Dwight, and thank you.

Voice Dhear it at 0:14:12

I apologize, Deborah, if I flipped up there.

Voice Ehear it at 0:14:16

But I could have mentioned metal waste. I could have mentioned any number of hot button items that the public believes have been done in lack of transparency. And so my point bringing up is when we have large crowds of people, I know it got a little heated up here yesterday from the person that was running the meeting. He kept calling breaks and everything. It wasn't my intention for that to happen. I think the public is just that the people are riled up right now. And it should be expected that when people are riled up that they'll clap hands and so forth. That's my point. It's a normal reaction to people that have suddenly woke up to reality that they didn't know was happening. That's really all I've got to say. Oh, one thing for the district attorney, too, is that we have a guy that got arrested up in Amber Bay and the guy got arrested for basically

Voice Ehear it at 0:15:04

sleeping. He did nine.

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2019 so I think thank

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you thank you good

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Next in Peru.

Voice Ehear it at 0:15:16

morning Richard Hunter H-U-N-T-E-R I'd like to talk about yesterday I was very disappointed you know we many of us showed up here to rally with Ian

Voice Ahear it at 0:15:33

Because it was supposed, we were supposed to have a vote on what Ian proposed. Instead, we had Mr. Jabor going, he went on and on about how we need to double check things. You know, I know you guys get tired of hearing us talk about the infrastructure. Well, the same thing, we could see, he, I mean he, we understand those things. But then you allowed him to make a motion ahead of Mr. Bang, which was not right. And then, you know, nobody backed him when he came with his motion. You know, it shows one thing. It showed everybody in this audience yesterday.

Voice Bhear it at 0:16:22

had a commitment we are either for it or against it we need to know what you four people are for you need to go to your district and you need to talk to your people and tell them I'm for it or I'm against it they need to know that and I think they're we're not asking too much for you to commit

Voice Ehear it at 0:16:47

One way or another on an issue this big. You've seen how many people showed up, you know, and as far as Mr. Bostovich, I don't know if he's having a bad day, but it just seemed like, you know, we had the people for the data center got up and asked, if you're here for the data center, stand.

Voice Bhear it at 0:17:12

Well, some of them were not residents from, but yet when somebody came up and said, if you're against the data center, stand, oh, well, he took a hissy fit and had to have a break. You know, I don't think we're going to get anywhere, anywhere, unless we all come together and try to find a solution for this. You know, the only other thing I got to say is I'm not asking for any answers. I'm just stating fact. We do not have the proper fire equipment to handle a data center right now. We do not have enough sheriffs for right now. Those are problems that, you know, nobody seemed to mention. That's all part of infrastructure. You've got to have the police. You've got to have fire department. We don't have the equipment to fight that fire. You can't just put water on it. You're going to need whole lots of foam. Where's that money going to come from? That's all I got. Just one comment on that, if I may. If the data center gives us $100 million a year in taxes, that's where the money would come from. The first thing I would spend it on is roads, cops, and fire. Just my opinion. Next.

Voice Fhear it at 0:18:37

Mr. Chairman, if I may just follow up on that, we do have three unfilled fire positions right now fully funded, so we could have a trillion dollars ostensibly, and we couldn't get anybody here. And we funded a million dollars in road repair, and we were told by the public works director, no thanks, I don't want to do it. So that's an opinion. Thank you, sir.

Voice Bhear it at 0:19:01

Come on down.

Voice Hhear it at 0:19:05

My name is Nancy Yonda, Y-A-N-D-A, and what I want to know is why are we having to wait? until June of 2027 to find out the water levels in our aquifer and that's more important than anything to know where our water level is that's very important the other thing is if we're in a moratorium on this why is M&M still doing construction That would have to do with the data centers. I don't know. I'm just wondering. Maybe you guys need to check that out. And also, I was wanting to know if when you have the planning department meetings in the evening, why are we not able to look it up on the computer and watch it? and call in when we need to. And we're not able to do that. We can on your meetings, but we can't on the planning department. So I'd like to know how we can resolve that.

Voice Bhear it at 0:20:18

I'm the liaison there in meeting. What?

Voice Bhear it at 0:20:23

We'll put her on hold for a second, please.

Voice Bhear it at 0:20:25

When I sit at the meetings, people call in, so I don't understand.

Voice Hhear it at 0:20:30

Well, I tried to look it up on the computer and I couldn't get it.

Voice Bhear it at 0:20:34

Okay, I'll check. Thank you. Come on, is everyone on the phone?

Voice Ghear it at 0:20:42

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Hhear it at 0:20:50

Good morning, everybody. It sure is early. This is Beth Gorsavage, B-O-R-Y-S-E-W-I-C-H. I have a couple things. Seeing that you didn't put a ban yesterday on the data centers, which would... precluded math and double M to in my opinion continue building what are you going to do because they're going to continue building until August and then until January and then you know we're going to go in January and say whether we're going to ban it or not I think you guys really screwed up yesterday I really think you should have followed the agenda I think you should have actually Judge Brecht, Commissioner Bain's request to vote on a ban or not. And moving forward, I hope that people actually read what's on the agenda before jumping and making new conclusions and new motions.

Voice Ihear it at 0:21:54

The other thing is I had sent to you and posted all over Facebook a 28-page final splash pad accountability review report. Our splash pad is an embarrassment to construction. We,

Voice Bhear it at 0:22:14

a minute, time out. Splash pad's on the agenda, you'll have to wait.

Voice Ihear it at 0:22:20

Oh, I didn't know we could talk during a report, but okay. Cool,

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is that it? Okay.

Voice Ihear it at 0:22:28

Okay, thank you. Yep.

Voice Ghear it at 0:22:33

Good morning, Susie Hertz, H-E-R-T-Z. The process that took place yesterday and has been taking place for some time is inappropriate.

Voice Bhear it at 0:22:47

My understanding is that when public comment is open, the public is there to make their comments. And we have been told repeatedly that there's not to be any answers from the Board of Commissioners to the public making the comment. However, this has become a daily, regular, ongoing issue. And it's unprofessional. It's inappropriate. And it's wrong. And I am requesting that you as the Board of Commissioners stop answering and interrupting the public while they're making their comments. You make us follow the rules, but you're not following the rules. It's a two-way street. It's a government-issued process. We didn't make it up. We didn't choose it, but we live by it.

Voice Jhear it at 0:23:40

And I expect that you all should live by it as well. In terms of general operating in the county and yesterday's topic of data centers, I along that same line don't understand why the data center ban which was on the agenda to be voted on was not voted on. You guys just skipped right over it, blocked it out with the continuance to the 18th and a modeled thing about voting or not voting. Very unclear. It was not clear. Everybody was interrupting everybody, you included, and I think it was mishandled and I think it was wrong. And that. Vote should have been taken. Also, you know, on that same line, Nye County being the third largest county in the country, I certainly think that we could find more appropriate places to place controversial projects such as a data center. In someplace other than the midst a residential community in the largest town in the county There's plenty of power lines going throughout the county all the way to Reno And there are plenty of open spaces for this and I think it's short-sighted on the part of the commissioners and the process To try to jam this into our community and basically destroy it. So I would really appreciate it if you took the opportunity to look elsewhere and be adult about it. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 0:25:42

Anybody else on the phone?

Voice Ghear it at 0:25:46

As chair of the call is unmuted, please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Hhear it at 0:25:52

Yes, good morning. Amy Nelson, N-E-L-S-O-N. If I'm not mistaken, I'm going to go off the back of some of these comments. If I'm not mistaken, it was a 5-0 vote. Everybody voted to move Agenda 6.

Voice Ihear it at 0:26:12

Item 6 to the 18th. It wasn't four of you, it was five of you. And you had your reasons. So everybody's thinking, oh you didn't give Ian Bain a chance. Ian Bain could have spoken up right away and said something when Jabor said something. And it would have been taken care of, I'm sure. And the other thing, there were so many things that were said, planning and zoning. I call in to planning and zoning meetings all the time. So maybe the information that the lady was talking about isn't clear to her on the county website, but that's all she's got to do. Just go to the county website on the main page and look at the agenda items and click on that and get the information. It's a different phone number and it's a different code, but maybe that's why she had a problem. And don't forget on that meeting, you got to press five star to speak, not star nine. What's the other one? Geez, there were so many things that were wrong. The meeting had to be continued because of the time that was consumed yesterday by Item 6. And if I'm not mistaken, Item 6 was not just a ban, it was about rezoning. And people ought to watch that zoning. They are, in my opinion, rezoning should not be done at this time. We have a master plan that was just put together, and I think it's a little bit too soon to start tearing it apart and understand it's all about the money. These data centers, I don't know if it's an issue with them bringing money into Pahrump or Nye County.

Voice Hhear it at 0:28:19

But if it's my county, get them away from here. We don't have the water. And if it's Pahrump, we don't want them, period. There won't be a Pahrump if they're allowed to be put in here. And some of you guys can afford to move. I, for one, can't. I, for one, can't afford to drill a new well or go deeper. So this will affect me greatly.

Voice Ihear it at 0:28:44

people like me so give me another five years of life to have my water and then do what you want but I really am supporting no data center in Pahrump and I guess that's

Voice Ihear it at 0:29:01

it until later

Voice Bhear it at 0:29:02

Thank you, Wavy. Good hearing from you. Next in Pahrump.

Voice Fhear it at 0:29:11

Good morning, commissioners, William Lovedorn, L-O-V-E-G-R-E-N. A couple things. One, in regard to...

Voice Bhear it at 0:29:03

Good hearing from you. Next in line.

Voice Fhear it at 0:29:11

Good morning, Commissioners. William Lovedren, L-O-V-E-G-R-E-N. A couple things. One, in regards to what you guys did on Amendment number or item number six yesterday, my question is, is if you guys are going to have. A problem paying for something, say like whatever it's going to cost to put this thing on the ballot, what's going to happen then? What are you guys going to do? There's going to be, there could be major repercussions in regards to that. That's number one. Number two. I'm submitting this written comment to preserve the accuracy of the administrative record and to document several unresolved matters involving the RTD's right-of-way drainage failures, emergency access concerns, and the rescinded 2014 MOU. On July 7, 2026, District Attorney Brian Coonsie stated publicly that I was a flat-out liar.

Voice Khear it at 0:30:13

That statement is false. The County's own records, communications, and the documented history of the Artesia MOU contradicted that claim. On July 20, 2026, Mr. Koonce emailed me stating there is no process for administrative record correction. I am not requesting redaction or deletion of any statement made during a BOCC meeting. I am requesting that my factual clarification be appended to the item 28 minutes so the public records This record reflects both the statements made and the documented facts consistent with NRS 241.035. The County Manager previously committed, verbal and in writing, to place the Artesia ROW MOU item on the June 16th agenda. That commitment was not fulfilled, and no explanation was provided. I continue requesting clarification on that commitment and placement of the item on future agenda. Regarding public records, Mr. Coonsie confirmed on July 20th that the responsive records exist. That his office has custody of them and the production will occur on or before August 10th of 2026. I request that this deadline be honored. For the record, the clerk's office received my certified letter on July 13, 2026 at 1.51 p.m. establishing receipt of my prior notices and request. I respectfully request the following. I append my factual clarification to the item 28 minutes for July 7, 2026. Written clarification regarding ROW ownership, drainage responsibilities, enforcement authority, and liability concerns. Agenda placement of the Artesia ROW MOU item at the next available BOCC meeting. Full public records productions on or before August 10, 2026 as stated by the district attorney. Thank you for entering this comment into the record and I'm submitting this to your person. Thank you so much.

Voice Bhear it at 0:32:04

Thank you, Mr. Overrun. Anyone else on the phone?

Voice Ghear it at 0:32:09

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Lhear it at 0:32:16

Good morning. This is Tim Bohannon, B-O-H-A-N-N-L-N. Happy Wednesday, everybody. One of the big comments was yesterday's decision to have the people vote on that I thought was a really good idea the only concern I have is making sure the language of what we're voting on is meets the intended purpose from location meaning based on 162 I know there's a push to try to go beyond that but But I think it was really intended for that. If this would be a town decision or this would be a county decision, those are all the kind of questions that I have. I don't expect you to have those preventive answers because it's not part of the open general comment. But those are questions I have is, hey, making sure that the language is consistent. Are we voting on it from a town standpoint or a county standpoint? If we're only looking at based on 162, it doesn't seem appropriate to have others weighing in as an outside 162. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 0:33:28

Thank you, Tim. Come on down, Debra.

Voice Mhear it at 0:33:43

Oh, I'm sorry. I do that every single time. I'm so sorry. Deborah Thomas, T-H-O-M-A-S. I felt bad for everyone in the room because of the clapping and the noise and it sounded more like a rally than it did a serious government meeting. And I have an idea. On the first page of the agendas, it always has a place for decorum, where it says during the meeting, decorum during the meeting must be upheld pursuant to BOCC rules of procedure, sections 5. 7.5.3 and 7.5.4 whereby no person in the audience shall engage in disorderly conduct such as hand clapping, stamping of feet, whistling, using profane language, yelling. Similar demonstrations which conduct disturb the peace and good order of the meeting. Any person who becomes disruptive or interferes with the orderly business of the board may be removed from the chambers or other meeting room for the remainder of the meeting. And I think if you guys were to read this at the beginning of the meeting. Our meetings would go a lot smoother. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 0:35:17

Thank you, everybody on the phone, everybody in Tonopah.

Voice Ahear it at 0:35:25

Nobody willing to speak in Tonopah, Chair.

Voice Ghear it at 0:35:28

There is comment on the phone, Chair. The color is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Nhear it at 0:35:35

Ron, what do you think? M-O-R-C-I-N-S-O-N. So one thing in terms of whether or not people can speak on agenda item six, my opinion would be that because it's already been discussed by the commissioners and a vote took place and it did be allowed to be spoken on because the voters are already taking place. In terms of the, you call that thing the quorum issues, you know, every time you guys have a meeting where you say, oh, we're honoring these people for 10 years and five years, you guys all clap, that violates quorum just like when we clap. And so if we can't clap, you can't clap.

Voice Ohear it at 0:36:23

That's all I got to say.

Voice Bhear it at 0:36:25

Thanks, Ron. In Pahrump, come on down.

Voice Fhear it at 0:36:33

Good morning Board, Ron Richardson, R-I-C-H-A-R-D-S-O-N. Just a matter of procedure, I would very much appreciate if the Board brought forward Mr. Bain's amended item number six, the data center ban, and actually voted on it.

Voice Phear it at 0:36:53

Thank you. On the phone?

Voice Ghear it at 0:37:00

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Khear it at 0:37:07

Good morning. Gregory McMahon, M.C. capital M-A-H-O-N. Yesterday's item number six proposed by Ian Bain.

Voice Lhear it at 0:37:20

The Data Center ban bill, after six and a half hours plus or minus of public comment, then it's time for all your comments on it. He started with Ian, which I felt was correct. He let it be known during his comments that he's ready to make a motion when it's time. Then it was passed. to Bruce Jabor in Tonopah. He gave his comments and then he says he's considering making a motion and then Deborah Strickland jumps in and seconds that motion. The considering making a motion was completely disregarding the comments from the other three commissioners.

Voice Khear it at 0:38:12

And just jumping ahead and completely derailing item number six, which was there to take a vote, I feel that's completely wrong. You know, Bruce, you told me at the public forum that we should let the process work. I think you jumped the process yesterday. I think that was out of place. You know, there was a question from Ian, how much is this going to cost? The clerk and Tonopah didn't know. Has there never been a special election? Because now suddenly everybody knows it's going to be at least $150,000. That number should have come up yesterday. You know, the county is struggling for funds. This did not go down the way I feel it should have. Now, of course, I'm in favor of the ban. Not everybody is.

Voice Lhear it at 0:39:02

But that item agenda was to vote on a ban, either approve, amend and approve, or deny. And that didn't even happen. And you can see by all the people, all the signatures, 3,500 or so, so far, it's very popular, the ban. We don't want it here. I don't want it in my front yard. So, I don't feel the process worked yesterday. I think Ian Bain's item got completely circumvented by Jaborn Strickland. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 0:39:41

Thank you, sir. Come on down.

Voice Ahear it at 0:39:50

Good morning, everybody. My name is Mike McKenzie, M-A-C-K-E-N-Z-I-E slash ball, B-A-H-L. I keep hearing that Rump doesn't have the money for this, money for that, roads, police, fire, everything. I want to give you a situation. I lived in South Orange County in an area called Tribuca Canyon. It's one of the most beautiful canyons.

Voice Dhear it at 0:40:17

Well, developers got hold of it, and the people didn't want a city. So what they came up with is they created a CDP, Charlie David Paul. And what that is is every new home, when they close escrow, is entered into that LID. situation and they're taxed an extra one percent now the homeowner has an option of paying that off right away or they can pay it over 30 years i chose a 30-year option because i knew i was going to be transferred and work for city henderson so the lid project covers county fire Sheriff Services, roads, and schools. So there's some money. You could do it. You could create a CDP or LID. There's two different names for it. I suggest if you're unfamiliar with it, go talk to the county supervisors in Orange County. Go talk to Tobin Canyon Water District. That board does make decisions for that area. It's not a city. It's not a mayor. It's a nice rural community. And guess what? It works because somebody has to pay for it. And these developers are not paying for it. I mean, look at Haven Ranch Road. They're putting in all those new homes. You can get an extra 1% on their tax bill. And I suggest... You start it now, any new home that closes escrow, they're automatically included in the LID. There's your money, and it doesn't destroy our community. It helps the community. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 0:42:14

Thank you, sir. Anybody on the phone?

Voice Ghear it at 0:42:18

Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Nhear it at 0:42:25

Yeah, this is Matt Shadler, S-A-D-L-E-R. Good morning. I want to put something on the radar, and I think many people in our community would probably concur. I think the board, particularly you four members that are actually present at this meeting, please consider doing and taking action. to replace the current chair. I think Mr. Bostovich is no longer suited, suitable for that role. I believe you guys are opening yourself up to ethics complaints and possibilities along that nature because sometimes just even the lack of you doing action and speaking out when you when you see something that's incorrect there when you see pettiness aggression. unnecessary unprofessional action from the current chair I think need to step up please consider doing that for the sake of this community I appreciate your time have a great meeting

Voice Bhear it at 0:43:25

Well, now Linda.

Voice Ghear it at 0:43:34

Linda Clark, C-L-A-R-K.

Voice Chear it at 0:43:42

Where do we start? First of all, I see Ron's not here, to be expected. He put on quite a show yesterday. He got to use his power. No, we're going to shut everything down. Oh, going to take a break. Okay, that's what we're going to go do. I got to go pee about four or five times more than I usually do. Thank you. It was a show yesterday. The thing that upset me the most is all the people that came to give support. Do they live here? Were they paid participants? Does anybody know? And are they the same ones that blocked all the traffic and coming people into the area yesterday? Does anybody know that? Does anybody care? I care. This board should be for the people that are presenting a program. And for the people that are going to talk about it, not all these people that come in here to protest because they got more attention than the people that lived here. So think about that. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 0:44:47

Thank you Linda anybody else on the phone

Voice Ghear it at 0:44:50

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Nhear it at 0:44:57

Hello, Commissioner, Michael David Garcia, G-A-R-C-I-A. How's my signal? Is it coming across okay?

Voice Bhear it at 0:45:06

Just wonderful, Michael.

Voice Nhear it at 0:45:10

Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate the engagement. Anyhow, I just want to remind everybody when it comes to the original natural and common occupation, the right to practice is for everybody. And once again, I'd like to. Go back to your constitutional oath and challenge y'all and see what you know constitutionally about the Fifth Amendment, the due process end of it. You know, I thought we'd start this meeting off by the DA clarifying what it means for somebody that waived their Fifth Amendment right when they testified to tell their last name. We got to understand the due process side of it. Administrative law has literally flipped it, turned it inside and out, and that DA has had a whole career of practice in it. You've got a sheriff that's been a whole career practicing policy. Show me the constitutional side. Look at who you've been protecting. Look at all these federal crimes that are coming upon us, and y'all have nothing to say when it comes to funding it.

Voice Phear it at 0:46:14

in it facilitating it you know you can latch on to any kind of courtesy grant reclassify and call it due process and zero out the balance that's not it that's practice let's get better when it comes to fraud extortion official oppression where are we at do you know how many times mr crickland used to press my first amendment right because it didn't fall in the jurisdiction of the county and the state in the state you know it's outside of your jurisdiction and yet how many times have the DA talked about Clark County yesterday the way they do administrative policies and procedures that's okay

Voice Nhear it at 0:46:54

It's discretionarily viewpoint. You know what I mean? And let's not forget why I even took to this mic. It is about protecting our children, the most vulnerable. Show me who that DA represents. He don't represent any children. The data proves it. You want to talk about harvesting human biometrics? Look in these courts and y'all can't even talk about it. You can't see it. You don't know what's going on. You got a blind eye.

Voice Phear it at 0:47:19

You're selling out God's children, selling out your neighbor, and you have a quiet tongue. What is it, the NDA, the MPA, talk about violating the Miranda of understanding. Lordy be, this is a tradition here. Nobody's got it. Bring it up. All you've got is decoration. Let's restrain it. You know what I mean? Who's going to stand up? Who's the strongest when it comes to the Constitution? I can't hear any of it. I haven't seen any affidavits from these sheriff's department when it comes to warrants. Yeah, that's a bag in itself, probable cause. Where's the due process? Without authority, there's no due process. It's administrative law.

Voice Bhear it at 0:48:02

Thank you Michael.

Voice Phear it at 0:48:03

So does Chevron.

Voice Bhear it at 0:48:05

Come on down. Now, you spoke already?

Voice Ahear it at 0:48:11

Yes, I'm asking if I could have just a couple of minutes for a couple statements.

Voice Ahear it at 0:48:16

I think, you know, to put something on the front page of the agenda to

Voice Ahear it at 0:48:22

tell people to be quiet is alien Sir, sir, Sir,

Voice Bhear it at 0:48:28

you've really only speak

Voice Ahear it at 0:48:29

already spoke in public comment. You only get one time.

Voice Bhear it at 0:48:33

You can speak,

Voice Ahear it at 0:48:34

be a second public

Voice Bhear it at 0:48:36

till the end of it, you can speak at the second public.

Voice Bhear it at 0:48:48

Come on down, Sammy.

Voice Mhear it at 0:48:52

Tammy Pittman, P-I-T-M-A-N. So I heard Mr. Jabbour yesterday say that he took good notes and the notes he had.

Voice Bhear it at 0:48:48

Come on down, Tammy.

Voice Qhear it at 0:48:52

Tammy Pittman, P-I-T-M-A-N. So I heard Mr. Jabbour yesterday say that he took good notes, and the notes he had didn't match mine, because I take copious notes. Y'all watch me. I take copious notes. So I tallied all of the comments from yesterday. We had 11 four, two of which I know for a fact don't live here. One was the developer and the other was somebody both from far away. So there were actually nine people who vote locally, or at least potentially locally. Against there were 63. Then there was the somewhere else category. There were seven. But then in addition there was one person who said Tonopah, two who said Round Mountain, two who said Area 51, and two who said the test site. If you put 63 and 14 together, that's 77 to 9. I think it's overwhelming. Overwhelming. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 0:50:08

Thank you, Tammy. Are there any more on the phone?

Voice Ghear it at 0:50:13

Yes, chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Rhear it at 0:50:21

Herman Lewis, L-E-W-I-S, morning commissioners. Thank you again to Commissioner Ian Bain. You've done an outstanding job. Also, Bruce, I understand putting a vote to the people is very important and I compliment you for that, but we need something much sooner than that. And then finally, Commissioner Koenig, I'm on your side about public comment this time, since I've been wrong about everything in the past, right? The people that have been calling in. To go on some rant. will not identify their name they're the we the people or whoever really slows down the process and it makes you frustrated makes all of us frustrated i saw da kunsey was going to look into that i saw the look on his face i kind of chuckled he didn't really know how to handle it but i know he'll get to the bottom of it and this is not to cut off free speech first amendment at all but the slowing down of the process really needs to be balanced challenged. The other thing is Chair Boskovich did a lot of timeouts like he was putting children in a timeout in a penalty box more than he needed to. I think he could have been handled a little bit better. I know he's upset to hear it in his voice especially when he uses profanity inappropriately and that's uncalled for. If we did it, the public, we would be shut down. So I think that clearing the room or doing all of these breaks, it needs to be better monitored. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 0:51:55

Thank you, Herman. It's been a long time. Come down someday in Purim. Come on down.

Voice Ghear it at 0:52:04

Good morning, commissioners. My name is Teresa Hunter, T-H-E-R-E-S-A-H-U-N-T-E-R. Thank you so much for hearing me this morning.

Voice Qhear it at 0:52:13

I am not here to beat up on anybody, okay? I think we need to have a working relationship. We should be together on things here, not tearing each other apart. Commissioner Koenig, I was happy to hear you're our liaison between planning and your commission. I think where a breakdown happens is, folks, when a permit is asked for for code or zoning change. A very small percentage of the public is informed. I think this is where we have a problem with, oh my gosh, they're hiding from us. They're trying to do something underhanded. I think it's more of let's inform people at the jump. All of this that happened should have never hit this place, should have been handled in planning. So thank you for what you're doing. Thank you for what you're trying to do. I don't need to tell you how I feel. You guys know how we feel. But if we could please, sir, ask the building commissioners to send out perump wide. Someone's asked for a zoning change. What do you guys think? Let them deal with this nonsense. You guys don't need to deal with this. Thank you so much.

Voice Bhear it at 0:53:24

Thank you. And zoning change, for your information, zoning changes are always in the paper two weeks before they occur and there's, you know, agendas just like we have an agenda, so no. Sorry.

Voice Ghear it at 0:53:40

We'll get together for

Voice Bhear it at 0:53:41

get, we can talk later. Anyone else on the phone?

Voice Bhear it at 0:53:48

We'll take a five-minute break. Is that what you want?

Voice Bhear it at 0:53:50

Okay, five-minute break.

Voice Rhear it at 0:53:58

Chair, is that end of public comment?

Voice Bhear it at 0:54:04

Yes, it is a closed public comment. Now is that right?

Voice Chear it at 0:54:07

Thank you, Jabbour.

Voice Ahear it at 0:54:08

Hey, Bruce, can you and Lorena call into the conference room? Uh, in brump please

Voice Ahear it at 0:54:17

on this break.

Voice Ahear it at 0:54:20

I gotta inform you guys of something. Okay.

Voice Bhear it at 0:54:28

Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to start the meeting. Please sit. Anybody still on the phone?

Voice Bhear it at 0:54:39

Okay, then officially close public comment. I'm going to open number three.

Voice Ahear it at 1:14:40

Item three, Commissioner and manager comments. This item is limited to announcements, brief discussions of public comments, correction of factual inaccuracies, direction to staff, or topics proposed for future board meetings. Lengthy deliberation of topics not on the agenda is prohibited by the Nevada Open Meeting Law.

Voice Chear it at 1:15:03

Mr. Chairman, thank you. I just wanted to make a couple of very brief statements. Actually, I'll just make one brief statement. I think that, you know, I've always studied history and I know a lot of you out there do too. And I know this community is really great because people follow history and they study it and they learn it and they understand it. And one of the things that made Patrick Henry, if you remember him, one of the framers, full of Scott, so interesting was that when he said give me liberty or give me death, it wasn't just to be put on the license plate in New Hampshire someday. It was profound because he had for so long tried to hold together the system and said, no, we've got to work within the system, we've got to work within the system, we don't like the king, but we've got to work within the system. And he said that for many, many years. And so having some kind of, I know people are upset, I mean, I'm worn out a little bit, but I don't usually get worn out, so I'll be better tomorrow morning after I get some sleep. I know everyone's upset, but we do have to let the system play out. I mean, I'm not telling you to. You can do whatever you want to do. But as a Christian, Romans 13, of course, tells us to respect our government. I think this is why anybody of you who follow a fellow Reformed Christian, John MacArthur, who passed away last year, might remember him saying that he... He didn't even think the revolution was biblical. And that may be or may be not the case, but in any event, we don't have to worry about that because it already happened. Our system gives us this, I always call it the American exception to being subservient to government. And that is that we are the government. And if you think about it, it's very interesting because the framers, it's not just for talking points. They set it up so we are the government and we delegate the powers to the people who work for us. So you are following Romans 13. You are following the Bible when you say, when you say, I will participate, I will vote, I will be active, and you're not snubbing your government by doing that because we are the people. That's why it says we the people. That's just speculation. And I know a lot of them said they weren't really Christian, but it was written like a Christian. So all I ask is let's let the system work out, work itself out, work within the system, being disruptive. I completely understand why people would feel that way. When I was younger, I was always upset about government throwing around counting on tables and seatbelt law really made me mad. That's why I'm sitting here. If it weren't for the seatbelt law, I'd be sitting here. The seatbelt law, I probably wouldn't be up here. That's how my career started probably. So all I'm doing is saying please trust the system. We'll be talking more about these things that bother everyone. I love the fact that everyone's engaged, but to be mad, just blindly mad, instead of doing that, just get more people involved. Tell more people, hey, look at what's happening here. Like Reagan said, shine a light on. what's going on and let the people see so they can put the pressure on us but please do it in a positive way if you're willing to do that I would really appreciate it because we're all struggling through bad government not just here and the last thing I want to say is I I know sometimes people hear on the government side of things may not understand me but to make it clear i don't trust government anywhere i don't trust it as a bully i don't trust in massachusetts i don't trust in illinois i don't trust it here don't take it personal uh one time i made a joke ron's not here but he said i don't even trust myself i walk by the mirror and i look and say what are you doing and it was intended to convey that i we should i believe we as citizens should not trust any government but for people to take it personally is it upsets me because i don't want people in government operators in government to take that distrust personally at the beginning i always thought maybe the da had a little more power it wasn't this da i wasn't mad at this da i like this da But it was the DA position. I look at things like a position, and anyone who played football knows that coach would call you by name, right? 22, get over here. It's not Jim Bob or whatever. It's 22, you're out of – what are you doing over there? Get over here. So look at the government as something that you can affect. You are making a tremendous impact. But please, there's a right way to do this. We're not going to overthrow the government here. This is the overthrown government. This is the process, and we need to trust the process. And I hope you will respect the framers, and thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Voice Bhear it at 1:19:39

Commissioner Jabor, do you have anything?

Voice Dhear it at 1:19:42

Thank you, Chair. Good morning, everybody, and thank you, Commissioner Bain, for that. I understand you, and I appreciate what you had to say, and it's live free or die. Which is basically the same, but it's live free

Voice Dhear it at 1:19:57

on the licence plate. I lived in New Hampshire for a few years. Thank you.

Voice Ehear it at 1:20:06

Thank you for all the comments. It would be nice to see people settle down. Thank you, Chair.

Voice Bhear it at 1:20:13

I have nothing for today except what's going on with the meeting and get home sometime before the month ends, at least. So I know how everyone gets upset when we move things around on the agenda, but I'm going to move some. Huh? Oh. Chief.

Voice Chear it at 1:20:34

Just a brief comment today, Commissioner Scott Lewis, L-E-W-I-S, Director of Emergency Management and Fire Chief.

Voice Fhear it at 1:20:40

On behalf of Front Fire Rescue and Knight County Emergency Management, I announce the death of Rod Fernandez who passed away last evening at a Las Vegas-based hospital. Rod worked with every emergency response agency throughout the county and he will be greatly missed. I want to make sure you were aware. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 1:20:58

Thank you. He will be missed.

Voice Ehear it at 1:21:00

He worked for my company for quite a while too. Goodbye, Ron.

Voice Bhear it at 1:21:04

Anybody else? Christy? Anybody? Nobody. Okay, now we will close that. So anyways, I am going to move consent agenda items up because we have a county employee that would like to get back to work. So, number 17 please.

Voice Ahear it at 1:25:28

Item 6, 10 a.m. timed item for possible action, public hearing, discussion and deliberation regarding a request to adopt, amend and adopt or reject Nye County Bill No. 2026-11, a bill amending Nye County Code Title 17 titled Comprehensive Land Use Planning and Zoning by creating Chapter 13 titled Data Centers to provide for prohibition effective date hereof and other matters. there's probably relating there to.

Voice Bhear it at 1:25:56

Thank you very much. Mr. Bain, you got something before public. I have prepared statements. I would prefer public comments so the public can be heard prior if that's okay. That's good. Let's open public. Come on up.

Voice Ahear it at 1:26:25

All right, are we ready? Let's do it. Go ahead, sir.

Voice Bhear it at 1:26:29

All right. Rest me Zimmy AGS. Just wanted to start with a...

Voice Ahear it at 1:26:37

Just a couple of items on dates. So back in June, the idea of a data center moratorium or the thought of a moratorium was brought up. It was put in place and then the board directed staff to please go work as fast as possible to create an ordinance. That we could get some research, get some facts, get some stuff to bring back and create that ordinance. And I believe that's been happening. I believe staff promised 90 days. We're getting pretty close to that, but we're probably getting close to getting an ordinance here, at least I would assume so. On July 7th at the county commission meeting, I wanted to quote Commissioner Jabbour.

Voice Chear it at 1:27:18

He said, I had requested to perhaps go and visit some facilities because I wanted to experience for myself and speak to some town fathers, some supervisors, commissioners, mayors, the residents, what they are experiencing financially, emotionally, and their quality of life, but I wasn't able to do so. This time was short notice. I really implore the fact that the need for understanding any item that comes before the commission is always. Very necessary. On May 19th in 2014, a development agreement came before the board. The development agreement was for the Spring Mountain Raceway. Part of that agreement was that the Spring Mountain Raceway was going to build a brand new water system and a brand new sewer system. They offered to donate that to the county and build it on the county fairgrounds at their cost. It was a $15 million offer. that was given to our community so that the fairgrounds could be built. The board, only one member of the board reached out to us to find any information out about what was being offered. At the end of the day, the final quote was, I looked it up last night, you can take your sewer plant on the other side of the highway with all of your rich friends and we'll be just fine. That was in 2014. The item failed to be able to accept the sewer treatment facility. Since 2014... We have been able to use some Valley Electric goodwill, some funds that were offered for other reasons in order to get power to a shooter site. We've been able to drill a well, put a tank in, and that's been about the extent of it. We've had some small movement here lately on another new well, but it's all coming at very expensive cost to us, the community. The board chose to not have the information. They voted no as a safe measure to not have to take a risk. We the people have paid that price ever since. That's 12 years ago and we've made very little progress. We still have to come up with $15 million to build it.

Voice Bhear it at 1:29:33

Thank you. Thank you, Russ. Anybody on the phone, please, Sam.

Voice Dhear it at 1:29:40

Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Bhear it at 1:29:47

Gregory McMahon, MC capital M-A-H-O-N. I watched the developer meeting that occurred last night. It was going to originally be a public forum meeting that turned into a one-way online monologue. And the developer said that data centers will increase property values.

Voice Ehear it at 1:30:14

I think it was, no, actually, they've done a study where they've seen slightly more when properties sell. I mean, I wholeheartedly disagree with that. There was a comment prior to the break, I believe, that said property values are dropping. And they are. I've been watching them for the past 60 days because we have to be responsible property owners and decide. Do we need to get out of here before the market implodes? Will we still have something? We don't want to leave. We love this place. Like I told you earlier, we chose this place because we love it. But this data center is not going to increase property values. I believe it'll hurt them terribly. Even though he says there'll be $18.4 billion in investment. from them. And that's going to bring more investment. Other things, that's what his reasoning is for increasing property values. I don't see that. There was also a discussion about how big these buildings are. Are they 300 feet tall? Of course not. They said, no, they're only 20 of them, 20 of the buildings, and they're only 75 feet tall. Well, let's put that in perspective. Our super Walmart in town is somewhere between 24 and 30 feet tall. So it's more than double the size of the super Walmart in height. And there's 20 buildings and they're all be exhausting heat through their chillers on the roofs. The engineer, Sam, who was very hard to understand, he had a very thick accent, says he doesn't think that will heat up our basin. John O'Brien can probably speak to this much clearer than I can. He's in the audience today. He says it'll change the weather. It will heat this place up. It won't cool like it should and like it normally does with the added heat from the data centers. They also talked about water rights. Will this infringe on property owner water rights? And it was a slick way of saying water rights, but not water. I mean, let's look at this like it's a checking account. The funds in the bank are the water. The water rights are the checks. Doesn't matter how many checks you have. It has no impact on how much water is there. We don't know how much water is there. We won't know until June of 2027. So I know they say they're only going to use up to 300

Voice Ahear it at 1:32:48

you. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Come on down in front. You've been very patient. It's your turn. You can talk all you want about that.

Voice Fhear it at 1:32:59

One second. I would like to explain to everybody out there, because some of you were new to this, this is a timer. When you come up here, you have three minutes, and this will go ding ding, and he'll say, that's it, you're done. Just so you know, you are timed, and there is this three-minute time limit. At public comment, either beginning before the meeting or public comment now. So just so you know what this is.

Voice Ghear it at 1:33:26

Thank you. Go ahead, sir.

Voice Hhear it at 1:33:27

Okay, my name is Daryl Hill. Hill is spelled H-I-L-L, and I've been... a person that's been living here for 20 years. My background is I'm an aeronautic engineer. I used to work for Northrop. I built stealth bombers and all this other stuff. And so when you're talking about the The chemicals that are going to go across or be used by our water is very highly toxic and even with Norfolk, we got rid of that water that went across these resistors and PC boards because that stuff is highly toxic. So to hear that, and I'm going to just say Mr. Tesla is telling you that you can recycle this stuff and preserve your reservoir, that's a bunch of crap. bunch of crap that is really a bunch of crap and if you guys have listened to that from mr. Tesla and his engineers that's a bunch of crap they know better and I'm just trying to tell you if we get any of that stuff into our reservoir you talking about property values now you won't have any property value Because nobody wants to come to a home a place where the water is toxic or they might be poisoned by it and you will be poisoned by it. There was a gentleman that was out there in front of me talking about well how long would it take for you to be poisoned. Who cares? Who cares? I don't care how long it's going to take but I'm just trying to use my technical ability to tell you to inform you guys because there's not a lot of technical people here in Vermont. And I just want to let you know what they're telling you is wrong. And if there was another way to do that, we would have done it already. Norfolk got millions of dollars. We dropped that project of using water over our components and stuff because, for one, it's not a closed circuit like I was hearing out there because once it gets contaminated, you have to replenish it. And I'll make it short where you have to have some kind of spigot to refresh the water that's in this closed system. So that means it's not a. a closed system so wherever that stuff is going to go it's going to go through and all it takes is a tiny bit of that to get in our reservoir because that's not a river that's a that's a big giant lake up under the ground if anybody or the news get on here that we have contaminated aquifer water all of our homes your homes we won't have a pot to pee in We have to get rid of our homes because nobody's going to want to live there. And I'm trying to tell you and give you my technical ability that we've already tried this already. That's why we went to gas to cool down resistors and stuff like that. We went that route. We didn't go water because that water. That water cannot be recycled as again again I'm telling you it cannot be recycled and it's highly poison and if any of that stuff gets back into our reservoir this town is done

Voice Bhear it at 1:36:29

Thank you, sir.

Voice Bhear it at 1:36:32

Come on down, Dee. I mean Diane. Lord, forgot.

Voice Ihear it at 1:36:38

Hello, my name is Diane Sautter, S-A-U-T-E-R. You know what I don't understand is that as commissioners, your job is to serve the people. With something coming in front of you, why didn't you guys investigate it better? Why didn't you look into it better? Why is this coming up in the last two months? A lot of things. And I don't understand why they want to put a data center in the hottest and driest state in the U.S. The other thing is that if that happens, this is going to be a ghost town. There's a reason why there are 600 ghost towns in Nevada. This is going to be the largest ghost town if this goes on. The other thing I wanted to say and I wanted to address John Coning. Ron and Deborah got voted out for a reason, okay? For a reason. You have to really think about this because you live here and I'm sure you have family here that want to stay here. We all want to stay here. We've lived here for 12, it's going to be 12 years end of this month. We like it here. I've made so many wonderful people here. We come from different backgrounds, different careers, and we've worked to retire, to come here to a nice, quiet. Place. I'm from Chicago. Steel mills, refineries, that two airports, trains, traffic. It's quiet here. We have property in Deborah Strickland's area. Thank God we live in Ian Bain's area. But our property, when we go out there and we step outside, we hear absolutely nothing. And Deborah, you need to recuse yourself under the NRS 281A.420. Because you're a water rights broker, it's a conflict of interest.

Voice Ihear it at 1:38:41

other thing is that you're all guilty of is NRS 239.0110. It's what is lack of transparency to the community. You guys have not had that. It says our open meeting law violation, failing to give proper notice, holding secret meetings or discussing public business behind closed doors without legal exception. And you guys know you're guilty of it.

Voice Ihear it at 1:39:08

Yes, yes. Thank you.

Voice Ahear it at 1:39:12

Wrong on that one Sam anybody on the phone, please

Voice Dhear it at 1:39:16

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Jhear it at 1:39:24

Yes. Hello, my name is Laura Larson, L-A-R-O-C-N. I've said this millions of times. I'm going to say it again. Data center's daily water consumption is 2.5 to 7.5 million gallons a day at full operation. This does not include indirect water use for the electricity, which adds hundreds of acre per feet per year. The annual consumption is... Starting at 2,810 to 8,430 acre feet per year, this is 10,200 to 30,000 uses of corrupt households. How many gallons is an acre foot? 325,851.43 U.S. gallons of water. It would be 2.8 billion gallons annually a year. Let's look at the 2,810 acre feet per year. Here, 915 million gallons of water reliable compared to 1,386 Olympic swimming pools. This is water for 10,200 average per household. That is enough water for 25,000 to 30,000 people per year. Let's go to the high end. 8,430 acre per feet per year, 7.25 billion gallons of water. 4,106. 63 olympics full uh olympics swimming pools this is 30 600 uses of corrupt household roughage i'm sorry roughly all usage of corrupt valley currently these numbers are only for the cooling system doesn't even include the water uses needed for the electricity for the data center and for the construction data center caused the impact of health air pollution Water contamination, noise pollution, mental and physical stress, environmental costs. Data centers use enormous amount of electricity which will roll out to the consumer from DEA that a grid was sold to a company in California. Excessive water use that I have explained which will deplete our water supply. Waste generation produces tons of electricity waste which contaminates the soil and water with the toxic chemicals. Look what's happening at Lake Mead with the data centers. 32% capacity is due to drought. How many in Lake Tahoe, 50,000 residents are scrambling for power and water due to Nevada energy cutting contracts. We asked you to do a memorandum. You guys did a memorandum. But here's the problem. We want this ban. We don't need it. Our community is a rural community. It's a retirement community. We all moved here to have peace and quiet for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And you guys are violating this by allowing it to go through. I approve to have this. Band,

Voice Hhear it at 1:42:25

Thank you Laura. Go ahead Linda.

Voice Fhear it at 1:42:29

Linda Clark, C-L-A-R-K. Zaina, I did not get a gift card. I don't know why they miss me and probably the rest of us. If you can figure out where they are, they can share them. Okay, now that we all laughed.

Voice Khear it at 1:42:49

We're not laughing. This is not what we want. We don't need it. We're not tech people here. And do you think your high school kids and college kids here

Voice Ghear it at 1:43:03

I think it shut off. It shut off.

Voice Khear it at 1:43:09

Our high school kids and our college kids aren't going to stay here. They're going to leave. So if they have any tech knowledge, they'll go someplace else where they can use it wisely and not against the community they grew up in.

Voice Lhear it at 1:43:22

Why we need this? Because somebody's making money off of it. It's always about money, money, money, money. We're not getting it and they keep promising they're going to give us the world. Yeah, sure. We've heard that story how many times? We don't want it. We don't want their money. We want to live here in quiet peace and enjoyment, like the lady just said. And that's why we all moved here. And I don't know why you guys. Not all of you, a couple of you, want to keep doing everything to damage this community, especially mountain falls and the other side of town. Why? We provide a lot of taxes here. We provide a nice community. We take care of our community. People over there in that area are very nice, very nice. We need to do something to improve what's going on here in this community, and they shouldn't be all your decisions, which it has been for many years, and it's wrong. We have a right, we voted for you in good faith, hoping that you would represent your constituents and your public, which you don't. You do what's good for you in your pocket, and I would doubt more money. So if we're going to do this, pick it someplace else. There's plenty of Mojave Desert, plenty of it. They don't need to come here and damage everything that we have and have worked hard for. We don't need all this. We don't need meta centers. We don't need this stupid data center stuff right in the middle of our neighborhood. Why? It's not in your neighborhood, is it, Debra? Is it, Ron? Is it, John? I know it's not in Ian's. So why do we have to have it in our neighborhood? Put it way out on the other side of town, way out there where we can't see it. Take the solar farms with it and the Midwest. Thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 1:45:27

Come on down.

Voice Khear it at 1:45:13

Put it way out on the other side of town, way out there where we can't see it. Take the solar farms with you and the Midwest. Thank you.

Voice Ahear it at 1:45:27

Come on down, sir, or Sam, anybody. Come on down, sir. Is that Doug? Oh, Doug.

Voice Ahear it at 1:45:37

I can't get my eyes checked.

Voice Fhear it at 1:45:39

Hey, um I took the time to watch the meeting.

Voice Bhear it at 1:45:43

Oh, spell it. Sorry.

Voice Fhear it at 1:45:44

Doug Nulls, K-N-O-W-L-E-S, to the the that they put on YouTube, the developers. And I walked away with a lot of questions and very few answers. And I have very big very big concerns that this project It's not in full plan. They do not have any disaster recovery plans. They did not identify how they were going to deal with their wastewater. They brought an engineer in and they talked about the coolers up on top of the 75-foot buildings that they were going to have. walls around the top of the roof with sound deadening stuff to try and cut the sound. He pulled up some shots of a utility that he got from somebody to measure and try and predict the noise levels that would be around and he pulled up the map and it was color-coded. And all of the people that have houses in the racetrack and all the people along 160 and Mountain Falls and stuff like that, they're estimating 50 or more decibels, okay? This is not just a Sunday morning race at the track. Okay, this is a 24-hour, seven noise that these people are going to have to live with. That alone, it has no business being there. The other thing is they have no contingencies. They never identified how they're going to deal with their wastewater. If they do septic, it only handles organic. If they use Gregg's. Haven's stuff down there is organic. It doesn't deal with chemicals. They got the potential for chemical spills. They have a lot of ideas about how to mitigate it while they're doing repairs and things like that and trying to say that they can clean it and use it again instead of putting it somewhere else and get rid of it. I don't believe that technology is... liable at this point. I don't think it's there. They have no plans for disaster recovery. Are they running a halon in there for fire protection? The chief of fire department hasn't even been consulted on this thing through the whole planning process so far. He has not had a say. They're not accounting for...

Voice Ahear it at 1:48:33

uh fire response emergency response they're gonna have 600 and some odd people in there what they have a big fire you know okay

Voice Bhear it at 1:48:44

Sorry, thanks, Doug. Nice to see you. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 1:48:48

Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Mhear it at 1:48:55

F-Q-R, Savage, C-O-R-Y, S-E-W-I-C-H. I'm going to say something that's probably going to freak a lot of people out. I do a lot of discussions with the commissioners, and I believe that almost all of them are going to vote in favor of the prohibition and ban of data centers in town. Um, it's just my gut feeling and I usually follow my gut. The thing with the data centers is I used to work for developers, some of sleazy developers in Vegas when I first moved here. A developer will tell you anything that they can to get you to go along with their plan. And if they think that they can put a loophole in the contract, they will. My ex-boss said, you know, I just promised X, Y, Z. We need to find the loophole and put it in there in case they come back and we don't deliver it. I do not trust developers. At all. They are liars. They're salespeople. Car salespeople is what they are. Not that there's anything wrong with car salespeople. They want to talk about this as if... 5,700 homes would be built there if they didn't put in a data center. Now, Mountain Falls, you guys, you know, have a nice little area. It looks like Las Vegas out there. I know you love it. You're going to be looking at monstrous buildings instead of mountains or nice views of whatever it is you see right now. So I believe that that is not the right area. In addition, I heard the reason they want to go there is because that's the sweet spot of where the water is in our southern valley here. And so they're hiding that from us because they don't want us to know that's where a lot of the water is. They can suck it up and they won't have an issue. Animals depend on... sound to protect their young, to find their mates, locate food, detect predators, and the National Park Service reports that human-caused noise can stress wildlife, interfere with communication, and cause animals, including birds, bats, and other species, to avoid otherwise usable habitat. Just imagine, you know, all these animals out here, the coyotes are not going to be able to hear, you know, the cats and dogs. I'm sorry. I don't mean to be flippant about it, but they won't be able to hear, you know, their prey or the prey won't be able to hear the coyotes. And this is going to be going on and on and on. And animals, you know, start reacting to negative things.

Voice Mhear it at 1:51:58

we could even look at some.

Voice Nhear it at 1:52:00

Thank you, Beth.

Voice Ahear it at 1:52:02

Go ahead and prompt, please.

Voice Ohear it at 1:52:03

Hi, my name is Lori Ludensky, L-A-W-D-E-N-S-K-Y. I lived in Vermont for 21 years in District 4. I'm opposed to the data center, but I'm also realistic. The data center is going in no matter what we want. If we say no data centers in Nye County, they can put it in BLM land like they are in Boulder. They can put it in Clark County, just over the border. Clark County is not going to object to it.

Voice Ohear it at 1:52:37

options will still use Nye's resources with zero benefits to Nye County. We'll have no say in what happens at the center now or in the future. If the center goes in Nye County, we can control where the data center gets the water for cooling. It's not supposed to be so much according to them. We can mandate water be trucked in, not by any local companies, and held in water tanks or water towers. The same concept for removal of the water. It can be drained into a tank and disposed of not in our basin. We can require they supply their own power that is in no way connected to residential or business power in Nye County.

Voice Bhear it at 1:53:25

All right, we're going to take a break if you guys don't stop. That's rude to do that when we're not doing that to you.

Voice Ohear it at 1:53:30

We can mandate a certain amount of buffer between the data center buildings and residential lots. We can control the growth of the data center campus in the future. I know there's other issues, but these are just a few of the bigger ones. This data center has been in the works for years. Think about how long ago the fiber was run from Vegas to Pahrump alongside 160. That wasn't for our internet use. All the transmission equipment that has been brought to Pahrump, that takes years to manufacture, doesn't get created overnight. This is a done deal. Nye County might as well reap the benefits. So do not ban the data centers. Control them. Regulate them and mandate them to create a better Nye County.

Voice Bhear it at 1:54:21

Thank you for that. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 1:54:26

Yes, Chair, the collar is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ahear it at 1:54:33

Hello Commissioners, Bruce Johnson, DOHM, SOM. You know, I just want to come out the back of what this lady just said. This stuff has been in development for years. So that tells us right there in itself, and there's a lot of truth to that, that we've been being lied to for years.

Voice Phear it at 1:54:56

as to what the purpose of what was being done when the stuff was being brought in and everything. So, you know, just the simple fact that nobody has been straight with the people, I think the people have every right to deserve and demand an answer to every question that they happen to ask. And I yield.

Voice Ahear it at 1:55:19

Thank you, Bruce. Go ahead, sir.

Voice Ghear it at 1:55:21

My name is William Grubel, and I am pro the data center.

Voice Bhear it at 1:55:25

Can you spell it your last name, please?

Voice Ghear it at 1:55:27

Last name Grubel, G-R-U-B-E-L. I watched the presentation that Mance Facility did, and they answered all of my questions satisfactorily. Now, I know a lot of people don't trust developers. Some of you guys are developers, so they don't trust you either.

Voice Ahear it at 1:55:49

The point that they made at the end was a sound one. Written into the agreements for this data center with the county and the state are enforcement capabilities. All of the noise restrictions, water restrictions, whatever you put on them, you have the power to enforce those. So I agree with the lady that said put it in where we can reap the benefits of it and control it.

Voice Fhear it at 1:56:16

This county, this town needs the tax database. Those people that want to keep this 1960s Pahrump, I'm sorry, but that ship has sailed. It is time to move Pahrump forward, get a tax base going so that we can afford to fix the potholes and get the roads fixed and build the water splash pads that people want. I'm done.

Voice Ahear it at 1:56:41

Thank you, sir. Sam, anybody on the phone, please.

Voice Dhear it at 1:56:44

Yes, sure. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record. Hello. Terry Radomsky, Town Administrative Coordinator for the Baby Town Advisory Board.

Voice Ahear it at 1:56:59

Terry, can you spell it last name?

Voice Dhear it at 1:57:01

Oh, sure. R

Voice Qhear it at 1:57:06

We appreciate the sense of urgency around creating an ordinance pertaining to data centers that will provide protection for nine county communities. This is a significant new industry with many known negative impacts in communities where they exist. It is important that we have something in place soon to protect our natural resources, private property, public lands and the health and well-being of our residents. Maybe it was not included in the discussions or creation of the draft being heard today, even though it would impact us. We are unable to provide substantial official comments about it. We believe that input from impacted communities is critical to creating an ordinance that will work for all who would fall under it. As an example, this draft specifically expresses concern about Basin 162. When basins that serve communities outside of Pahrump are facing the same or similar over-allocation challenges and industrial threats. The 90-day data center moratorium was passed at the June 2, 2026 BOCC meeting. This must remain in place and be extended if necessary until a Nye County data center ordinance is adopted. BADI is ready, willing, and able to engage in this conversation to help shape an ordinance pertaining to data centers. Thank you for your time.

Voice Ghear it at 1:58:26

Thank you, Kerry. Go ahead, ma'am.

Voice Rhear it at 1:58:29

Hi, my name is Kylie Charles, C-H-A-R-L-E-S. Plenty of other people are speaking on the severe negative impacts like noise pollution, massive water usage, and oh yeah, making it even hotter here. So I'll let everyone else go into detail on that and I'll be speaking on a few other points. Commissioner Boskovich, I would like to address some comments you made last meeting. I want to start off by making it clear I am a proud Perum president. I moved here in 1999 at just two years old. I have known no other home. I am not brand new from California 10 minutes ago, as you put it. My husband, who is not much of a public speaker, is also here in opposition to the data centers. He is a lifelong Perumpian. His maternal family, who are founding members of Perump, moved here in 1946. He is born and raised more Perump than most people in this room. You said you want to learn the pros and cons and then openly stated you had no intention to listen to anyone opposed. You said it's 30 crazy people. You said this last meeting, it's 30 crazy people and there's 50,000 normal people. Well, are my husband and I of the 30 crazy people or are we lifelong hard-working tax-paying voting residents of Nye County? In case anyone is unaware, double M construction is on this project. Double M, owned by the Meads family, have been exceptionally disrespectful to anyone opposing data centers. They're telling people to move out of town if you've disagree with them.

Voice Bhear it at 2:00:46

Please. If you haven't noticed, the breaks have been caused by outbursts. So if the chair asks us to have you removed, we will remove you. So please show some courtesy to everybody. This is a right to speak.

Voice Ahear it at 2:01:09

This is a First Amendment right. If you don't agree with someone's opinion, that's up to you. But please don't make me take people out. I really don't want to work today. Thank you.

Voice Ghear it at 2:01:28

Okay, go ahead, ma'am. Your time has restarted.

Voice Rhear it at 2:01:31

The Meads family have been exceptionally disrespectful to anyone opposing data centers. They're telling people to move out of town if you disagree with them, as if this is their town. If the Meads family wants to use their years spent here as reasoning to make decisions for everyone else, I would like to remind them that they are not the only family who has spent generations here. They are not the sole speakers for Pahrump. They are not the only decision makers of our future, and neither is this board. As far as I can tell, money is the sole motivator for everyone who is pro data center. I'm sure those on the project will have plenty of money to leave, but for those of us who would like to stay, money is not worth our health and sanity. Commissioner Koenig, I inherited my grandmother's home in your district last year. It's the first home I lived in when I moved here, and it's the first home I have memories of. My home is very special to me, and I intend to live here for a very long time. Prump is my home. Prump is my husband's home. It's our family's homes. A data center will destroy this desert. It will destroy our home. I am asking you to vote no on data centers today. Thank you for your time.

Voice Ahear it at 2:02:38

Thank you. Tonopah, please. You want another break? Go ahead, Tonopah.

Voice Mhear it at 2:02:49

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Joni Eastley, E-A-S-T-L-E-Y. I'm representing the Tonopah Town Board, and we are appreciative of Commissioner Bain's thoughtful consideration of our request to include the limitation on applicability that you find in section 17.13.015. We believe that the people who are

Voice Shear it at 2:03:15

The most knowledgeable about whether we have the water and the land resources to support any kind of a data center or any development for that matter is the town board of Tonopah and its staff. And Commissioner Bain, again, we appreciate your inclusion on the limitation of applicability. And Mr. Chair, there's one more speaker behind me.

Voice Bhear it at 2:03:43

Thank you, Joni. Come on up, Tonopah. We'll go ahead and do you real quick.

Voice Ahear it at 2:03:49

James Swaggart. I'm the town manager SWI G-A-R-T of Round Mountain and I'll make it real quick. The town board, we feel the same way as the Tonopah town board. I've been in that county for four years. I've worked at the mine for 38 years, and I'm saying, okay, the front might not be the best spot for data center, but a $15.8 billion project with revenue of $109 million. Maybe Round Mountain is a good spot for a data center. It's something that could be presented to our town board, to the community out there. And like I don't know anything about data centers, but.

Voice Phear it at 2:04:54

If I want to know anything about hydrology, I get a hold of Jay Dixon. If I want to know anything about environmental, I get a hold of Gina Myers. All these experts come together and maybe it would be a good fit that we'd have a lot more control over and we wouldn't lose out.

Voice Ahear it at 2:04:58

and if I want to know anything about environmental I get a hold of Gina Myers all these experts come together and maybe it would be a good fit that we'd have a lot more control over and we wouldn't lose out thank you

Voice Bhear it at 2:05:13

Thank you, sir. Go ahead, and I apologize, ma'am.

Voice Thear it at 2:05:16

Thank you. Helene Williams, W-L-L-I-A-M-S. Forgive me, I appreciate being allowed to move in. I'll be 80 on the 10th of August. This one's

Voice Thear it at 2:05:27

this year. Thank you.

Voice Khear it at 2:05:29

Happy birthday, Helena.

Voice Thear it at 2:05:30

Thank you. Um. I've put a lot of thought to this. I sit as the Vice Chair of the Nye County Water District Governing Board and my thought is there's 864,000 acres of land at the Nevada test site. The water's polluted, they can still use it or clean it. We can still tax it, it's in Nye County and the test site will be an ideal location to build the biggest in the world. Right now the biggest in the world is by China, it was built in Mongolia, we can do two at the test site. And I know our federal government will support that and so will our state, so will our governor, I will believe he supports this. He's gone public, that's not in our county's best interest. There's potential income for a data center in Virginia, one county brings in $898,900 million. Which if we had that kind of revenue, I would suggest that the board would make this a tax-free, property tax-free county. I believe we all will support relocating this to the test site. Thank you for your time.

Voice Ahear it at 2:06:58

Thanks, Helena. Nice to see you. Sam, anybody on the phone, please.

Voice Dhear it at 2:07:01

Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Uhear it at 2:07:10

This one comes one of the people, P-E-O-P-L-E.

Voice Ahear it at 2:07:15

So I apologize, ma'am. Is that your real last name?

Voice Uhear it at 2:07:21

It's Article 4, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution. So I come to the Peace and Love of Jesus Christ as one of the people, Sir Jareth, who holds all political power. I speak in opposition to Agenda Item 4, Approval of the Agenda for the August 4, 2026. I respectfully urge you to reject it as written. The Nevada Constitution, Article 1, Section 1, declares that men by nature are free and equal and have certain inalienable rights, among which are those acquiring and possessing and protecting property, pursuing and obtaining safety and happiness. Article 1 Technique further guarantees that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. The U.S. Constitution's Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments echo this protection. Ninth and Tenth Amendments reserve rights powers to the people and the states. Yet this agenda places before you the proposed prohibition of data centers under Bill 2026-11. The measure seeks to ban the entire category of lawful economic use of private land by government decree, such as categorical restriction of the productive use of property without individualized due process of law or compensation with converting the police power into taking the Take this as a property as a privilege rather than an inalienable right. Maxims of law remind us a man's home is his castle. The law protects possession and reasonable use of one's own property. Consent makes a law. An act done against the will of its owner is not the owner's act. Approving the agenda that advances such restrictions places the board in a position of considering measures that conflict with the very Constitution you are sworn and bound to support. The proper course is to refuse the approval of this agenda item until that threatened protected property rights are removed and substantially rewritten to honor the due process of law and the inalienable rights secured in both the Nevada and U.S. Constitution. I respectfully ask that you reject the item number four as presented and protect the people's property rights. I also want to mention that Article four, Section two of the U.S. Constitution gives the people the rights in every state with a double right. That's how powerful we are. Everyone needs to read those rights. and stand upon them because the people created government you are the instruments of our creation that's why you're called public servants the people are above government because God gave us those rights they are God-given rights and certain inalienable rights were given to you to protect and to secure So I just wanted to mention that and also the main object of government is for the protection and preservation of personal rights, private property, public liberties, and upholding the law of God. That's an American maxim. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 2:10:11

A DA, if somebody doesn't give us their name, what do I do? I'm checking on that right now.

Voice Bhear it at 2:10:20

Just continue. I don't

Voice Bhear it at 2:10:22

know the answer.

Voice Ahear it at 2:10:22

Thank you, sir.

Voice Bhear it at 2:10:23

I'm getting back to you.

Voice Ahear it at 2:10:24

Go ahead, ma'am. I like your sign.

Voice Uhear it at 2:10:28

Hello, Angelina Jackson, J-A-C-K-S-O-N. First, Ron, I see that you have the same issue that I have, unable to control my facial expressions, which is very duly noted.

Voice Vhear it at 2:10:43

Five of the board members for the water department, okay, five of them voted against the data center. Five to none voted against the data center, yet this board will not even take into consideration their advisement. Explain that to me, please, after my three minutes are up. Next, I don't know what you guys think. We are not the people from the hills that have eyes. All right. We do have a brain that functions, whether you guys see it or not. Maybe maybe your brain levels are not at the same levels that ours are. Second, Mr. Alessandro and to the developers, what that presentation was last night online was a joke. Seventh graders could have put together a better presentation than that. That was no information whatsoever. If you're going to put together a panel, put together an unbiased panel, not somebody they're paying that was not educational in no way whatsoever. As for the effect that this data center is going to have on Pahrump, it's different than it is in other areas, and you can look it up and research it yourself. It'll affect much, much more than just our water. It'll affect the air. It'll affect every single thing in our lives. Now, the numbers that they gave, the revenue, come on. Not even, look, if they're going to, if they can guarantee this town 17 point something million dollars a year for one, in one part of it. I say go for it. But like they said, take it to the test site. Why here? My other question is, why all of a sudden, all across the country, these data centers are needed? Just out of nowhere, all of a sudden. Explain that to me. Nobody can do that either. Now, Mr. Koenig, if I may address you, you talk about Ash Meadows and how you want to preserve it. What about preserving this? Why should we assimilate to what they want to bring in here? People that want to come to this town should assimilate to the way this town is. You don't like it? Leave. Nobody asked you to come here. I myself am not a desert rat. But look, here I am, nine years, and it grows on you. Okay, it's the people. It's the lack of the big stores and all of that. That's what people love this town. And the fact that you commissioners, which Ron, what you did to Ian when presenting the board was rude. You skipped over him completely. And that was rude and unprofessional.

Voice Ahear it at 2:13:29

Thank you. I don't know what did I do? I asked him if he had any comment, and he shook his head no. Go ahead, sir. John Swango, SWANGO. First off, I want to say that I'm personally going to be affected by this data center more than most. Only a couple of bios for me as I live on Man's Road. I watched the video from the closed chamber of commerce meeting and the guy mentioned the very thing that the first thing they'll see is they come over the hill going to Death Valley or coming from Vegas. What he forgot to mention are the people like me that will have to look at this cancer every time I'm at the kitchen sink 24-7. makes me sick to think of the noise and light pollution this place will make at night. So instead of seeing a beautiful mountainside or spectacular sun or moonrise, we will have to look at this horrible looking place in front of Mount Charleston.

Voice Bhear it at 2:14:17

I'd like you all to think about your legacies and how you will be remembered. Do you want people coming up to your children and saying to them, hey, tell your mom and dad they ruined thousands of people's lives and destroyed a great kids or community? Or would you rather have them come up to you and say, hey, tell your dad thanks for saving our town. I'm the furthest thing from a religious person anyone will ever meet. But if I am wrong and there is a hell, I can say with certainty to those of you that let this resource destroying, habitat killing.

Voice Whear it at 2:14:43

Data center happened to ruin many lives by taking too many to count by drying up or poisoning our wells, wiping out most of our life savings by making our homes worth nothing. There's a special place for you there to spend eternity for ruining so many people's lives. So I, like the rest of us here, implore you to do the right thing and vote for the ban on this data center.

Voice Ahear it at 2:15:03

Thank you, sir. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 2:15:06

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Uhear it at 2:15:12

Hello, Commissioners. Good morning, everyone. I just wanted to say when a company has

Voice Bhear it at 2:15:18

so sorry, ma'am.

Voice Bhear it at 2:15:19

Can you spell?

Voice Uhear it at 2:15:22

Yeah, Stacey Edwards, ECWARDS. I want to say, you're welcome. When a company has $18.5 billion to spend, what amount of fines and penalties is enough to deter bad behavior? At some point, they simply become just another cost to do in business. Please don't take my word for it, but research QTS, Compass, Amazon, Sears One, and Google. You'll find many lawsuits, developers walking away from projects, environmental enforcement actions, and communities suffering after approvals were already granted. Please don't ask citizens of Nye County to gamble on the hope that the agreement will always be honored. If the company can invest $18.5 billion in a project, no realistic fine is likely to outweigh the value of keeping that project operating. Fines are simply another line item in a multi-billion dollar budget. That's why fines are not protection, prevention is, and the strongest prevention for Nye County is a ban before approval, not penalties after the damage is done. This next question is for Commissioner Bain. I want to thank you for all the work that you did, you and Bruce Jabour. I'm just, can you please help me understand Bill 2026-11 says the data center prohibition applies only where a town does not have an elected governing board. My understanding is that Pahrump does not have its own elected town board. However, the Nye County Board of Commissioners serves as Pahrump's town board. void and governed the town under Nevada law. Since you have a legal background, can you explain in plain English to us why this particular language was chosen? Is it truly airtight or could the wording leave room in the future for interpretation on legal challenges that can come back to bite us in the butt? If the goal is a ban, shouldn't the language leave no room for doubt?

Voice Vhear it at 2:17:18

Again, thank you for all you've done, and I believe in all of you commissioners. I believe that you'll protect us. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 2:17:25

Thank you, ma'am. Go ahead, sir.

Voice Fhear it at 2:17:27

Hi, my name is Mike McKenzie, M-A-C-K-E-N-Z-I-E slash B-A-H-L. I have 42 years experience in water quality distribution and treatment management. I've worked for private utilities and I've worked for City of Henderson. My real concern is this closed loop system. You have to understand it's not a closed loop. They require chemical treatment, biocide, corrosion inhibitors, scale inhibitors, and periodic blowdown and flushes.

Voice Whear it at 2:18:07

Where's that water going to go? I've seen no plan for a water treatment facility for what they want to build and the scale of what they want to build. And as far as the fire department goes, Chief, do you have experience in hazmat? Okay. Are you able to cover that facility?

Voice Ahear it at 2:18:29

Because they should put up a bond to cover more firemen and equipment to handle that in case there's a thing. Last thing I want to speak about for the utilities I work for are very large. We used to put out 330 million gallons a day in the summertime. And we had diesel generators for when Nevada Power can cut us off. Do you realize the sound?

Voice Fhear it at 2:18:56

the contamination risk of storage amount of diesel they're going to have to have to run that facility yeah it's it's mind-blowing so i'm asking you vote no i like the lady's suggestion put it on area 51 they have a different water aquifer it won't impact us but the town will get the tax benefit

Voice Ahear it at 2:19:23

Thank you. Thank you, sir. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 2:19:27

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Uhear it at 2:19:34

Yes, my name is Kelly Green, G-R-E-E-N. I urge this commission to ban data center construction in this town and in any populated area of Nye County until this issue has been thoroughly studied and proper regulations are in place. Before any of these facilities are built, an independent, comprehensive study must measure the heavy metals, forever chemicals, and other industrial pollutants already present in our soil and water of this valley and this county. We need a baseline measurement now so that we have something to compare against later when the inevitable unforeseen contamination events happen, and they will happen. No corporate development of this scale has ever been carried out with the community need put first. Shareholders and investors always come first. Corners will be cut. Lies are already being dressed up as public relation talking points and our legitimate concerns are being gaslighted. I watched the presentation last night. We're being gaslighted. We're already being told that there's nothing to see here and not to look behind the curtain. Do not take their word for it. You oversee a large county with miles of empty land, find an uninhabited valley far from any town, reservation, or ranch, sitting on its own isolated aquifer, and have them build there. And I agree, Area 51 and the test site seem pretty good to me. That land and water is already damaged. We can find ways to close a budget deficit, and I would hold my nose and pay more taxes. I know I'm probably in the minority, but we cannot survive the loss of our water. Don't turn us into another Hinckley, and I yield.

Voice Ahear it at 2:21:28

Thank you. Come on down, Chris.

Voice Whear it at 2:21:34

Hi. Good afternoon, Commissioners. My name is Chris Lalley, L-A-L-L-Y. So I just have two basic points that still have not been clearly addressed, in my opinion, and not by the developers in their presentation last night and not by the board yet. The first is where are the real protections for residents? If the man's data center is placed in District 5 as proposed, near tens of thousands of residents in Mountain Falls, Artesia, Hafen Ranch, Burson Ranch, Cottonwoods, and other nearby neighborhoods, what binding financial protections will residents have if there are negative impacts on our properties, our wells, etc.? Not verbal promises, not vague reassurances, actual enforceable protections of the financial kind. Second point I want to bring up is I'm asking this board to require independent review of every major claim and data point man's technology is presented to residents last night. That review should be independent, made publicly available, paid for by the developer and not controlled. by the developer. They said themselves last night that residents should not simply take their word for it. I agree. So let's follow through on that please. Residents should not be asked to accept a sales presentation as fact until there are binding protections for residents and independent verification of the developer's claims this location and project should not move forward. Please vote no. Please vote to ban it. And thank you very much.

Voice Ahear it at 2:23:09

Sam, anybody on the phone, please.

Voice Dhear it at 2:23:12

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Uhear it at 2:23:18

Yes, A-N-E-L-S-O-N. It hasn't been that long since we put in the new master plan for my county and for the world. We shouldn't be changing all of those plans. They're too new. Somebody was asking me, one of the people representing this data center, was asking me about my opinion, and each time I said what made me believe the way I believe, they would counteract. send me something to prove their point and I don't have to prove why I don't want these data centers they have to prove to me that they aren't going to contaminate my water that they aren't going to create sound that's 24 hours a day that's disruptive to lives animal life and human life I don't have to justify all the research that I've done and send them links to prove my point. They have to give me actual studies. I don't want to hear it on a YouTube presentation. I don't want to have them tell me what's good for me or good for you. I know why I don't want them. And I don't. If this is a national emergency kind of a program and a military

Voice Fhear it at 2:24:43

What's good for me? Oh, good for you. I know why I don't want them, and I don't. If this is a national emergency kind of a program and a military program, then like the police said, put it on the base. They've already contaminated their water. Well, if there's ever an invasion because of these data centers, then they can attack the base, not us. There's so many reasons why this should not be, we should ban this and they should not be allowed. the valley and I really appreciate me and Bain for bringing this forward. I hope everybody stays if the agenda item has not been pulled for the zone change because that affects all of us too. I'm totally against data centers. I don't want my property to drop and I don't want to lose any more of my water and I really do want a moratorium on any kind of building right now because of the water situation. Thank you very much.

Voice Bhear it at 2:25:58

Thanks, Amy. Come on down and prompt, please.

Voice Xhear it at 2:26:09

Thank you. My name is Lisa Hemby, H-E-M-B-Y. The proponents of this project, the people who stand to profit, list all the benefits. It will bring to our town. What they do not disclose is that there are serious potential consequences to their touted closed loops cooling system, etc. Check what toxic chemicals they use to maintain these systems and what they do when they need to flush the same. Think about our aquifer. So even though these closed-loop systems may use less water than our other cooling systems, they can still have detrimental effects on Basin 162. I did a Google search. The negative environmental and public health effects of data centers with closed-loop cooling systems. AI itself states that there are serious concerns related to areas that have AI data centers. A proponent and paid consultant of the Mance Technology Campus. For one, their paid consultant Russ Meads of M&M Construction used Loudoun, Virginia as the poster child for all the benefits data centers bring to a community. I ask you to do a search on environmental and public health impact studies for data centers in Loudoun, Virginia. There is plenty of public. Push back. I asked AI, why are some residents of Loudoun, Virginia no longer happy with the improvements AI data centers promised? The AI overview stated residents of Loudoun, Virginia are unhappy with AI data centers because the promised economics Benefits are overshadowed by severe environmental and lifestyle drawbacks, primarily constant industrial noise, diesel generator pollution during power outages, and strain on the local electric grid. It may be too late for them, but not for us, if we say no. Think about our drought situation here and the threat of brownouts, blackouts, rolling blackouts that is. Along with being a real threat to our aquifer, there are other polluting factors. Increased demand for electricity, even if they provide their own as they tout, causes increased EMF exposure, increases cancer risk, massive back-up generators. will pollute our air. Constant hum from data centers is noise pollution and can cause both neurological as well as mental health issues. These centers are full of PFAs, forever chemicals that cause cancer. Data centers also raise the local ambient temperatures. What about the impact studies? What about conflict of interest? The no amount of revenue the man's techno law technology campus projects is

Voice Ghear it at 2:29:12

Thank you, thank you, ma'am. Thank you I very much.

Voice Xhear it at 2:29:13

vote no I

Voice Ghear it at 2:29:14

Thank you, ma

Voice Ghear it at 2:29:15

can we have everybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 2:29:18

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Yhear it at 2:29:27

Hi, this is Scott Shepson, last name spelled S-H-E-P-S-T-O-N. Good afternoon, Commissioners. As a resident of Pahrump, I support responsible data center development, and I oppose the blanket ban proposed by Commissioner Ian Bain. Nye County should establish... Strong protections for our water and power supply, taxpayers' neighborhoods, and rural character. A complete ban, however, would close the door before we know what the particular project may offer and the safeguards that can't be required. Not every data center is the same. Each proposal should be evaluated individually based on its water and power usage, location, infrastructure needs, economic benefits. and the impact on nearby residents. I also want to make clear that the loudest voices in the community do not necessarily represent all the residents of Arup. Many residents support careful consideration, responsible growth, and fair public process rather than outright bans. We should demand enforceable standards, independent studies, financial guarantees, and clear public oversight, but we should not prohibit an entire industry and eliminate future opportunities before those opportunities even presented. Please vote no on Commissioner Bain's proposed ban and instead develop strict responsible regulations that protect Pahrump while allowing carefully planned economic growth. Thank you. I yield.

Voice Ghear it at 2:30:57

Thank you, sir. Come on down and put up, please.

Voice Zhear it at 2:31:03

Good morning, commissioners, afternoon commissioners. Cody Meads, M-E-A-D-S. I've lived here my whole life. I'm proud to call myself a Perumpian, and I plan on raising my family here for many, many years, and I hope they stay and they're members of the community as well. I'd like to thank the commissioners and the staff that have been working diligently hard on this ordinance for data centers. I think that it can be an amazing opportunity for our community to have some of this tax revenue that would come from developments like this and who knows what other doors it could open for more. I visit these towns across Wherever we travel and there's these small communities with rec centers and beautiful streets and streetlights and the police officers are walking the streets because they have the money to do that. A project like this allows our community to finally have the revenue it needs to do projects like this, to help take care of the school district problems that we recently just witnessed this last year. We so desperately need more revenue. I believe it needs to be regulated, and I believe that that's what this ordinance will do. So I urge you guys to allow the process to just continue that's already happening. The ordinance is almost there. Don't let this ban stop what you guys have already started and all of your staff has put the effort in to do. A lot of us are busy in the community, making it run, making it happen. A lot of them are here today. We asked a lot of the community members to come today to be a part of this meeting to show you guys that we support you in going forward with regulating these kinds of projects. And if I could just please ask those to stand that came in here to support the regulation of this data center and did not.

Voice Ghear it at 2:33:18

Hey, that is enough.

Voice Zhear it at 2:33:23

Thank you. I would just like everyone to know that these are not paid people. They are citizens, business owners. Some are here as part of the original families that helped settle Pahrump. So please deny this ban today and allow your system that's already working to continue to work.

Voice Bhear it at 2:33:45

Thank you, sir. Mr. Chairman, may I make a point of order?

Voice Bhear it at 2:33:48

When we have law enforcement prowling people who may be disruptive, this does chill free speech. I wouldn't mind an opinion from the D.A. on this, just as a precautionary measure.

Voice A2hear it at 2:33:58

That's fine, but I'm done with the outbursts.

Voice Bhear it at 2:34:00

Well, it's fine, but I would like some kind of clarification on that, if possible.

Voice A2hear it at 2:34:03

D.A., can you answer the commissioner?

Voice Zhear it at 2:34:07

If they're not following the rules, if they're being unruly, they absolutely can be.

Voice A2hear it at 2:34:12

uh silence the lack of a better term uh there is decorum that's required and if they're not meeting the decorum then there is nothing in any uh law or statute that prohibits them from being removed or to be silenced

Voice Bhear it at 2:34:28

In the past we have allowed clapping in support of some of the members up here.

Voice Bhear it at 2:34:32

Oh, I've seen it, I've sat up here, and I can provide tape later on if anyone's interested. It is my concern that this could be viewpoint discrimination and chilling of free speech. Do we have we defined anywhere what decorum is in any documentational.

Voice A2hear it at 2:34:46

It's right in

Voice Bhear it at 2:34:46

someone read it for me?

Voice A2hear it at 2:34:47

page of every agenda.

Voice Khear it at 2:34:48

It's on the front of the agenda,

Voice Khear it at 2:34:50

as you know.

Voice A2hear it at 2:34:51

one that wasn't really given to me, but the one question I had was whether or not they can identify themselves, and I will say that that's actually part of the rules of procedure of the board, 7.4.1, and I'll also point out the fact that North Las Vegas had an ordinance that requires everybody to state their name and address before addressing them, and that ordinance has been on the books since... since 1980 and has not been attacked or ruled unconstitutional.

Voice Bhear it at 2:35:22

I under understand that chalking tires was lawful up until 2015. The U.S. Supreme Court said that was an unlawful search. So I don't want to engage in constitutional debate here, but my concern is that we're just chilling free speech of individuals by having certain people singled out and certain others not. So I encourage this board, if they're going to accept applause, which I do not, by the way, that's why I come up here and I'm very unexpressive, if we're going to accept applause and accolades from the crowd. then they would accept the the bad parts as well. And that's all I ask. Thank you, Mister Chairman.

Voice A2hear it at 2:35:53

I don't want any accolades or applause on any items. I want to get through this so everybody can have their time. Do we have anybody on the phone? Please say them. And thank you, Brian.

Voice Dhear it at 2:36:05

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Yhear it at 2:36:11

Hi, it's Mark Dalton, the A-L-T-O-N. I appreciate the opportunity to speak to you today and appreciate the work that you guys are all putting in on this. My wife and I moved out here a few years ago to retire. We picked this community because it was nice and quiet and very, very peaceful community. It had three stoplights, two roundabouts, and we loved it. Those was one of the wonderful things that we loved about it, the view of Mount Charleston, the peaceful nights, and now we're wondering if that's going to still be how it's going to be, and we call that into question, especially after last night's meeting. that mass technology put on with their little sound decibel mapping of what they were putting out of 50 decibels of diesel wine all over Mountain Falls where we currently live. Now that seems to be rather unacceptable. In a retirement community, I would suggest that nobody wants to hear 50 decibels constantly 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. Not only a mountain falls, but I'm sure that mountain springs would not appreciate it, nor Hayden Ranch or Artesia or Brayson Ranch or any of the other surrounding areas. Nor do we have any studies on how sound and the long-term effects of this noise is going to affect the elementary schools at Hafen or Floyd that are also going to be affected by the sound. That's my concern. And again, I raise the point, why does it need to be in the place that you guys zoned as fine for it? The entrance to town and quick close proximity to all of these developments. Why not in some area? like the test site which would still give us the the tax breaks all of the necessary funds that the county seems to want without all of the necessary detriment that comes with it that's my only point thank you very much

Voice A2hear it at 2:39:13

Thank you. Come on down in front, please. Um, Brent Meads, M-E-A-D-S, 32-year Perum resident. Um, I'm a pretty outspoken person, but, um, and I usually think that I'm a part of the majority, and I'm usually, um, vindicated with that when voting comes around, and I always think to myself, oh, wow, it doesn't feel like that a lot of times.

Voice Zhear it at 2:39:42

Back in 2016 when Donald Trump was running for president, I was vocal. I was arguing with everybody and I felt alone. I ended up stopping doing that because I said, oh wow, this is not popular. My friends are literally stopping being friends with me. I can't do this. Election night comes around and he wins and I thought.

Voice A2hear it at 2:40:03

How is that possible? I just watched the news for two years say that he had a 30% chance of winning, 40%, 50%. Regardless, he won by a landslide and again this last election won by a landslide. But you would not think that's the case. And I think that's representative in this room and what's been going on in Parump lately.

Voice Zhear it at 2:40:25

The silent majority is a coined term for a reason. It's pretty silent. This room is intimidating and it's because it's negative commentary. It's not positive. That's why it's a little hard for the decorum and what you're trying to...

Voice A2hear it at 2:40:44

pursue or whatever um but it is it's it's it's uh it's really intimidating so to speak against what is correct is hard to do yet i've watched my father asked me to do that for 30 years

Voice Yhear it at 2:40:58

He has been praised in this town for doing the things he has done for free. And all of a sudden he's the bad guy. And I wish someday actually the numbers would come out, but what he's accepting in this deal, it's actually ridiculously small. And I can't wait for that to come out actually one day where we will benefit though. And this is about money, $100 million a year, year after year for 10 years.

Voice Zhear it at 2:41:24

Yes, the Meads family will benefit from that. So will every single person in this room. Our schools, we send our kids to crumbling schools where they're laying people off. We drive on pot-filled roads, our sidewalks and turn into proof dirt before they mile long. And finally it turns back into concrete and you're sitting there going, why? We have so many people coming here. The very people that come here and say we don't want anybody else. It's interesting.

Voice Yhear it at 2:41:48

Other communities are begging for projects like this so that their communities could be, again, our side's Don't not doing that.

Voice Yhear it at 2:41:57

quickly. And I...

Voice A2hear it at 2:41:59

Hold on one moment Brent. All you're doing is showing that you're rude and you're demanding respect from us. Keep showing it. Go ahead, sir.

Voice Yhear it at 2:42:12

Yeah, I just I've watched all these other other communities beg for these types of projects. President Trump himself is telling everybody these are good. Any project this size that's taking up this much space, you cannot find one as low of impact as this. What is slated right now? Is going to happen if this data center does not happen is

Voice Yhear it at 2:42:36

,000 home community

Voice A2hear it at 2:42:38

Thank you very much. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 2:42:41

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Yhear it at 2:42:49

Hi, commissioners. My name is Christy Berthel. C as in boy, U-R-K-E-L. Some of you may recognize the name, that's fine.

Voice B2hear it at 2:42:57

I've listened and I've watched everything that's been going on in our town and it seems like in our town the last few years it just seems to be this fight. Something that I noticed that hasn't been addressed with the data center is the fact that during the construction time, what is the suppression of dust going to be? Everyone who lives here who's lived here for more than five or six months who has dealt with the windstorm. We know what's in our soil and so many people get sick every winter. How are they going to suppress that sort of dust? That leads back to water. Is it going to take from the aquifer for dust suppression? And let's go back to the noise. I myself know what industrial fans sound like. I lived across the street from it. They've been quiet now. How long they're going to stay quiet? I don't know. Industrial fans are noisy. They weigh on your nerves. They wreck your health. And people are going to hear this for miles. I've been traveling the country recently. I've been going to towns that have these great big huge infrastructures. The noise is intolerable. They want to say it's only a few miles. You go five miles out on a lot of these data centers and you're still hearing the noise. We live in a fishbowl. We live in a valley. Sound bounces off. I live all the way down towards the brothels. On race days, I can hear the racetracks perfectly. Are you telling me I won't be able to hear these industrial fans? If you're telling me that, that's a lie. I'm tired of listening to lies. And the last thing that I haven't heard a lot of, what happens if there's a fire? We don't have the fire departments to handle that type of fire. I mean, I'm sure our fire chief can speak of that.

Voice C2hear it at 2:44:28

You're telling me that that's a lie. I'm tired of listening to lies. And the last thing that I haven't heard a lot of, what happens if there's a fire? We don't have the fire departments to handle that type of fire. I mean, I'm sure a fire chief can speak of that. If this valley, if something like that goes up in flames, our entire valley will be engulfed. How many lives will be lost for that? Is it worth it? I don't think so. Thank you.

Voice Ahear it at 2:44:58

Thank you for that. Come on down, sir.

Voice Fhear it at 2:45:04

My name is Hart, H-A-R-T, flesh hour, F-L-E-I-S-C-H-H, yeah, two H's, A-U-E-R. I've lived in Plump for close to a decade. And I live in Ward 2. This is my photo ID with my prompt address to prove that I am a resident of Pahrump. I have a bachelor's degree in management science information systems. That's what the Cal State system calls IT, information technology. I'm not a high school coach who sells water filters. I actually have a degree in this subject. Okay. And I'm here to tell you that 300 acre feet of water per year will decimate our water table. People say that that 300 water feet is an arbitrary number. I actually got that off the internet from a spokesperson for the data center. From what I understand, the actual water usage would probably be more like triple that. I purposely invested my retirement investment into buying property in Pahrump. I bought one acre lots with wells. The reason why I bought one acre lots with wells is because the county has been put a ban or restrictions on new wells for residential use because the water table has been going down. Yet you want to use, put in a data center that's going to use 300 acre feet per year. Okay. On top of that, we talk about the closed system loop. It's much like the radiator in your car, but much, much, much, much larger. Okay. It's a closed loop system. But when you get a leak in your radiator, it's bad for the environment. If they get a leak in this cooling system, it'll be an environmental disaster. Okay. They have to add chemicals to lube the pumps that circulate the water. They have to add more chemicals because water is an oxidizer. It causes metal to corrode, so they have to have more metals to prevent the corrosion. Just like the radiator in your car, eventually the system's going to have to be flushed out. What do they do with the stuff they flush out? Okay. The responsible thing to do would be to create a 300-acre evaporation table where the water would evaporate off and they could scrape up the sludge and haul it to a waste disposal center.

Voice D2hear it at 2:47:42

environmental waste disposal center but they're not going to do that that costs billions of dollars they don't they don't care about you they don't care about your children they don't care about your grandchildren they don't care about your water table going down they don't care about the noise they make that's going to travel through the valley and cause all kinds of problems they don't care about the light pollution because these are big lit up things that are going to cause light pollution here in the valley where we won't be able to see the stars

Voice Ahear it at 2:48:07

Thank you, sir. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 2:48:11

Yes, chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice D2hear it at 2:48:18

Environmental Disposal Center. But they're not going to do that.

Voice Ahear it at 2:48:21

Hello? Okay. Hello?

Voice D2hear it at 2:48:23

This is not going to

Voice Ahear it at 2:48:26

I can we can you please can you mute your whatever's on?

Voice Ahear it at 2:48:34

Okay, go ahead.

Voice C2hear it at 2:48:36

Victor E-R-M-A-N and I'm calling because what happened in Hinckley is going to happen to Philip. Hinckley polluted the, PG&E polluted the water in Hinckley over 30 years ago and people died of cancer. And 30 years later, and the town is a ghost town. The water is still polluted. One other thing that no one's talking about today is if the status center gets built, guess what? The EA is going to give them a pretty decent kilowatt rate. Right now we're paying 14.5 cents per kilowatt.

Voice E2hear it at 2:49:26

The status center will probably get a 10 cent rate. Guess who's going to make the difference on the kilowatt rate, people? We are. So this thing needs to be banned. And those people that think it's a great thing, while when your wealth runs dry or your water is brown and it's hotter than hell out here, you know what? You were right. It was a good idea. The people of Pahrump deserve better. The people of Pahrump deserve a good, decent, clean environment. The data centers need to be banned. We don't need one today, tomorrow, three weeks from next Thursday or two years from this Christmas. This is ridiculous and all you commissioners know it. Thank you.

Voice Ghear it at 2:50:17

Thank you. Come on down to front, please.

Voice D2hear it at 2:50:22

Jillian Howard, HOWARD, District 4, resident for over 25 years. I actually had a speech prepared and then Cody.

Voice Dhear it at 2:50:35

got up here and it is disingenuous for him to have people stand who I know work for him whether or not they're getting paid or not let's just be honest about it you wanted support that's fine be honest with the people and that's part of our problem

Voice Ahear it at 2:50:51

Yeah, I don't think it's appropriate to

Voice Ahear it at 2:50:53

have people attack people in the audience

Voice Ghear it at 2:50:55

We're going to go to your public speech when you'd

Voice Ghear it at 2:50:56

like to say.

Voice Dhear it at 2:50:57

that's not attacking it's

Voice Ahear it at 2:50:59

Yes, it is, ma'am, when you're staring him down. speaking directly at him it's

Voice F2hear it at 2:51:03

I'm here today

Voice F2hear it at 2:51:04

to actually just ask for a moratorium so that we can actually get real proof of things.

Voice Khear it at 2:51:10

We have one

Voice F2hear it at 2:51:11

Right, to continue it. Now I'm asking for a ban, and this is why. Because I'm not about against technology innovation or responsible economic growth. This is about recognizing that some types of development are not compatible with the resources and infrastructure. At the center of this issue right now is trust. Trust between residents, the applicants. The company seeking to come here and this board, when a company comes into a community, it's not just building a facility. It's becoming part of that community. It's asking residents to trust it with our water, our land, our infrastructure, and our future. You guys have done a terrible job at that. Not you guys. They have. We have not seen the water impact study that's not going to be done until 2027, a hydrogeological report, a power demand study, an economic impact analysis, tax and development agreements, abatement questions, environmental studies, traffic noise, and an emergency response plan. And why are we not talking about the land itself? Instead of the company having a bond, why is the land not having a $100 million bond to protect us in case there was an emergency? You want to rush this, and I don't understand that. I don't understand that. Not all the information is even in. The trust that must be earned. is through transparency and actions that matches the promises being made. Although they say it's 900 acres of development and they claim about water use being 380. Fine. Or I'm sorry, jobs being 380. I think it's much less than that. The probability of what's really on the campus is less than that. They still haven't came out and told us that. And a lot of that is high tech, which a lot of Parumpians unfortunately don't meet the criteria for. Parump's desert community with limited groundwater resources, our basin already faces concerns regarding the allocation and sustainability. Our water. People have come out, our waterboard has come out and asked for the moratorium. It's very, this is what they do. So we need to be listening to them.

Voice Ahear it at 2:53:24

Thank you. Thank you very much. And we do have a moratorium. I brought it forward two months ago. Go ahead and prompt, please.

Voice D2hear it at 2:53:38

Good afternoon, commissioners. My name is Sharon Cruz, C-R-U-I-S-E. I'm here today to urge you to say no to the building of any data centers in Pahrump and in Nye County in general. Please vote yes to ban the building of data centers in Pahrump and throughout Nye County.

Voice G2hear it at 2:53:56

The town of Pahrump and other areas of Nye rely solely on groundwater from Basin 162 for its water source. According to the Nye County Water District, the basin is over allocated because historical water rights were granted far beyond the aquifer's natural recharge capability. While the physical perennial yield is capped at 20,000 acre feet per year, total permitted rights and well claims exceed 50,000 acre feet. These numbers are calculated without the inclusion of data centers. Solar farms. hazardous toxic medical waste processing centers. Vance Technology is requesting approval to build a 900 acre data center across Highway 160 facing three of the largest residential subdivisions in Pahrump. Their claim is that a closed loop system will not present an environmental harm to the surrounding area or to the basin. They have yet to prove that claim and this is why. A closed loop Closed-loop data center relies on local aquifers because their systems need millions of gallons of water up front for their initial systems fill, line flushes, and leaks. Closed-loop data centers will rely on sealed recycled coolants and outdoor dry coolers instead of on-site evaporation. primarily experiencing disasters related to chemical contamination, infrastructure stress, power dependency, and noise pollution. In the past, these facilities have faced specific high-profile failures and destruction such as environmental contamination and toxic discharge. Forever Chemicals. The regulators and environmental groups and major data centers hubs like northern Virginia's data center have flagged the risk of forever chemicals and glycos leaking from the sealed immersion cooling fluids into local water tables. Number two, cooling loop failures and system stress. Because true closed loop systems use massive fans and heat exchangers rather than direct evaporation, they are highly sensitive to... between equipment degradation and chemical balance. Look, chemistry in swings, emergency thermal shutdowns. Number three, invisible water disasters and grid strains. Closed-loop systems drastically reduce direct water consumption, but they drastically increase indirect water consumption because they require significantly more electricity to run outdoor. Air chillers. Power plant, water strain power. Okay,

Voice G2hear it at 2:56:41

I will submit

Voice G2hear it at 2:56:42

rest of the

Voice Bhear it at 2:56:42

do we have anybody on the phone please?

Voice Dhear it at 2:56:46

Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ahear it at 2:57:01

Excuse me, Vice Chair. Did the chair call for a break?

Voice Dhear it at 2:57:07

Got that. Got it.

Voice D2hear it at 2:57:08

John O'Brien, O apostrophe capital B-R-I-E-N. Tom Waters forgot to mention August 15th, VJ Day, end of World War II. That's when Japan finally said enough is enough. The people rose up. June 4th, we get the backup for the Prince Regional Planning Commission. We're blindsided. The very back pages were the only mention of a data center. The RPC voted to bring it to your board. The vote was unanimous. They made no recommendation for the rezoning of this property. We made a master plan, and the master plan as part of the regional planning commissions kind of guidebook as to how we're supposed to develop this valley. It's kind of funny that the developer... who now has the rights to this land is going against the master plan that was adopted by this commission. I hear facts, I hear facts change, I hear facts change again. They told us 30-foot-tall buildings, we can't do anything above that. They haven't given us the square footage of the building, but they say 800 feet long. That's from a couple of the presentations I've attended. But again, no square footage. Look at battle-borne fireworks. The building is 200 feet. It's set back into the fan. Then think about how much disturbance is going to be caused on our fan in order to put an 800-foot building in. And many times in order to do quarry-type operations here in our valley, they use explosives. Think about your neighbors. The truth is about taxes. 36754 was adopted for your battery plants that were up in Reno and for the technology center at Apex. It's now being applied to data centers. We banned batteries on the fan. There's already an ordinance on the books, yet on the plans they're having battery backup. It's on the 162 fan. And then again, it's already been brought up, how many backup generators? How many are going to be needed in order to support it? I protected the master plan with all the decisions I did for two years. My decisions represented the people, the people's voice. I also represented the infrastructure. This board has that responsibility to weigh the infrastructure. Not against data centers. I think Trump is the wrong place. Nye County, if you want to take advantage of it, not in 162. Either vote no or extend the moratorium until a proper ordinance can be developed that represents all the people's wishes of Nye County. Now I'm going to go back to work.

Voice Ahear it at 3:00:02

I mean, thank you, sir.

Voice Ahear it at 3:00:03

Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 3:00:05

Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ahear it at 3:00:14

Come on down in front, please.

Voice F2hear it at 3:00:20

Hi, my name is Savannah Drinkwater, D-R-I-N-K-W-A-T-E-R. I've seen what data centers have done around the country and recently with our neighbors in Utah. Despite the opposition from their constituents, their politicians are following the project to go along and we won't see those facts until 20, 30 years from now. I don't think we realize just how it'll affect our water and power usage. I am horrified and...

Voice H2hear it at 3:00:46

and sorrowful for the residents in Lake Tahoe who were forced to go off grid from NV Energy, no longer providing energy towards residents and instead prioritizing the data center. We already have so many ghost towns in Nye County that are no longer habitable due to their resources being dried up. I'm afraid that Pahrump will become one of these ghost towns if we allow this data center to be built. I'm a newer resident. My disabled husband, who's a veteran, and I bought our house in 2020. However, I will never forget the firefighters that have saved my husband's life and many others, the police officers who are keeping our community safe, and the wonderful residents of this town that include my neighbors and many of the businesses here. If you've seen the news reports about data centers around other parts of the country, you'll know that they constantly emit loud screeching noises from multiple electrical electrical. and diesel generators. In towns with these data centers, residents have seen their energy and water bill double, sometimes even triple. Many of the residents in Pahrump are living off of their retirement or SSI. They won't be able to afford to live in their same homes that they've been living in for decades. How are we, the residents of Pahrump, supposed to know that this won't affect us? If we thought the water crisis in Flint, Michigan was bad, With ongoing, Parampal soon have its own water problems too, with how much water will be filtered through the data center and most likely released back into the ground to pollute our aquifer. Frankly, I don't think it matters how much money the state of the center will bring to the town in taxes or extra funds. If the data center drains the town of all of its resources, causing the valley to become uninhabitable, there will be no constituents. There won't be residents to collect taxes from because no one will be living here. The current residents won't be able to sell their homes or move if needed. And just like that, you've destroyed over 30,000 retires that have their eggs. Equity held up in their homes. Those currently living in Pahrump won't be able to sell their homes if their homes become worthless due to the data center. We need to guarantee that we'll have water, electricity, and services they need in order to live. As a younger Pahrumpian, I'm only 26, I understand, and I'm sure you understand, that you'll be long gone before I am. All I'm asking for is to guarantee that Pahrump will still be habitable for my children and my grandchildren and future generations to come. I would like to invite other development. I am just not for the data centers. Please vote no. And I yield.

Voice Ahear it at 3:03:20

Thank you, Sam. Anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 3:03:24

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice E2hear it at 3:03:30

Hi, Dusty Downing, D-O-W-N-I-N-G. The previous speaker I agree with, there's so many issues throughout the country regarding data centers, one of which is in Dowager, Michigan. 2024, they had a data center built. They were fined by the city regarding noise ordinance, and they are fighting that fine. And the CEO, William Horn, even said that they would buy up their property. if their property if that was an issue and if their attempts to help with the noise didn't satisfy the patient or the uh the people um they're also failing to get permits for extensions which they have willingly admitted that they would be going forward with I just don't think that there is enough federal laws to protect the people and I don't think that we're able to really protect the people right now with how the data centers have been spreading. I would really

Voice I2hear it at 3:04:13

be going forward with. I just don't think that there is enough federal laws to protect the people and I don't think that we're able to really protect the people right now with how the data centers have been spreading. I would really like it if the ban did go through and then at a later date when they are able to accommodate desert living or anything like that then another people can come forward and request a new vote but I do yield my time thank you so much for you for yours.

Voice Bhear it at 3:04:43

Thank you. Thank you ma'am. Come on down Anthony

Voice Fhear it at 3:04:48

Anthony Greco, GRECO. I am a candidate for Commission District 4 and my promise to the people is to protect their wells so we don't need a data center. But we were also misinformed within the last half hour here. Russ got up and said in 2014 the commissioners voted not to put their waste treatment plant.

Voice J2hear it at 3:05:13

the county property. The reason why they wanted to give that to us was they wouldn't have the smell near the homes in the racetrack and they wouldn't have to pay the assessor for a 50 million dollar sewer treatment plant every year so they were giving us nothing.

Voice Ahear it at 3:05:37

Thank you, sir. Come on down in front, please.

Voice K2hear it at 3:05:43

Hi, my name is Lisa Friedley, F-R-E-E-T-L-Y. I was part of the silent majority, but today I'm not going to be. First thing is, I want everybody here who is against the data center to stand up. Thank you. The second thing is, is that we, the people, are the ones who determine this. So what I ask is that we go ahead. And we keep this ban or moratorium, whatever you want to call on it, so that we can bring this to the people, a vote, however long it is, six months from now, however long it is, let the people decide, not the two commissioners who have been voted out, not the gentleman over here, Mr. Konyak, who says, hey, I don't care about what goes on on the other side. But as long as it doesn't come to mind. So the bottom line here is that if you think it's going to not come to you, or you're not going to have any issue, you're wrong. You need to continue to vote for things that are good for Pahrump. I've been here for 10 years. And I have to tell you, I'm very disappointed. And it's time that the people do stand up and be heard. And that's why I believe a vote needs to be done. Thank you.

Voice Ahear it at 3:07:12

Thank you. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 3:07:18

Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice I2hear it at 3:07:26

Tiffany Seaback, S-E-E-B-A-C-K. First, I want to say good job, community. Way to come together. Now, if we can show up to every meeting like this, then it's possible to stop things like this before they start. Knowledge is power, and there is power in numbers. Our community needs numbers to keep projects like data centers out of our community. Now to address the commissioners. I think the answer is clear. The majority of our community is against being harmed by the data center. No amount of money is worth the cost of the quality of our living, and that's all I have to say.

Voice Ahear it at 3:08:10

Thank you. Go ahead, sir.

Voice Fhear it at 3:08:14

Randy Pazik, P as in Paul, A-Z-I-K. Good afternoon, commissioners. I don't have a speech. There's been a lot of redundancy here. Right now, I think I need a drink.

Voice Ahear it at 3:08:27

um quickly as my background is a career i own my own company for 35 years i was a business consultant i worked with entrepreneurs nationally who made hundreds of millions of dollars and i'm my forte is in process and trying to find solutions when i first heard about the data center and i'm not here as a proponent

Voice Fhear it at 3:08:51

uh i thought oh man no and then you start researching and what's interesting is the data centers across the country are what drives this these computers are more powerful than when nasa used when they launched john glenn into orbit so it's necessary but i think i think where you've

Voice L2hear it at 3:09:15

I think where you drop the ball is in your process. We wouldn't be here if you had tackled this issue a little bit better. A lot of people feel that we had been left purposely uninformed and in the dark. And then all of a sudden this 900-acre data center appears ready for approval. The board, past and present, has occasionally made a mistake. And you've been able to correct those mistakes. We're human. We make errors. The difference is those mistakes were correctable. When we talk about the data centers, if you say no, the mistake could be the loss of a lot of tax dollars. But a lot of that can be recovered with proper development. There's a lot of people here who would like to see a little more shopping, some more choices in grocery stores, some more choices in restaurants. And I've been here eight years. We love moms and a lot of the other ones, but more choices so development in a different area will take the place of these data centers. And the tax revenue will come and populations will come and that type of development will hire people that don't have to be computer scientists or very technically trained to get a job at the data center. If you say yes to the data center and it turns out to be a mistake five, six, seven, eight years down the road. Because whatever happens, everybody's been focused just on one item, it seems, water. Something happens at the water, something happens from a pollution standpoint, something happens with the temperature of the surrounding area, the noise abatement doesn't work as it was proposed to do, but they're up and running. You're not going to get rid of that. That is an unrecoverable mistake.

Voice Ghear it at 3:11:17

Thank you very much. Come on down, Tammy.

Voice K2hear it at 3:11:26

Good afternoon. So I was on vacation when the last debacle happened two Saturdays ago. I really missed it. I did get a lot of information because my text messages were blowing up. So item six. I want you to vote no to all data centers and have not have a moratorium but have a ban. They're trying to buy Perumpians but money can't create water, clean air, dark skies, peace and quiet or a cooler climate. Diesel generators the size of railroad boxcars create a lot of noise and they belch diesel. Anybody who's been behind a diesel truck down on the road knows it's not pretty. And yes, we have solar, but there's a whole lot of hours a day that solar doesn't make up for that. Water. I hear, oh, it's going to use less than an 18-course golf course. Well, 18-hole golf courses use a lot of non-potable water, so it's not treated. They're not taking it out of our drinking water. It's already been used, and what they do put on that grass actually goes and percolates back into the... Take water table. So it's going back. It's not a complete loss. Data centers pollute that water, the closed loop ones, and they have to draw the water off, ship it to a hazardous waste facility to have it evaporated, and so it's not going back in the aquifer. And by the way, the closest place is in Beatty, and that's not our aquifer either. They're taking our trash, or would take, poor things. Heat. Data centers create heat islands. that within a six-mile radius, it's usually three to 15 degrees hotter. Now, we already live in the stinking desert, and I used to live in 29 Palms, so I know that's hotter than here, and I really wouldn't want to ever live in 29 Palms. So we would become on par with 29 Palms, if not exceed 29 Palms in the summer. They're already planning for expansion, by the way, if you read their notes. So whatever they tell you, the numbers go up from there. VEA, oh, by the way, the commercial rates are less than us poor civilians play or our residents. We pay 14.5 cents a kilowatt hour. They only pay 10. Okay, so we be subsidizing their electricity. Page 11 of the proposal talks about a water fire suppression system and putting up a big water tank so they can charge their water suppression. I know electricity because I spent 10 years in electronics. You can't use water on electronic fire.

Voice K2hear it at 3:14:30

And there's more.

Voice M2hear it at 3:14:32

Do you have anybody on the phone, Sam?

Voice Dhear it at 3:14:35

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice M2hear it at 3:14:45

Hi there. Can you speak, spell your name for the record please? Okay, in perumpthen, you're up.

Voice K2hear it at 3:15:05

Hi, my name is Ruth Matthew. I am a parent resident and

Voice M2hear it at 3:15:08

Ruth, can you spell your last for the record?

Voice K2hear it at 3:15:12

I watched a man's presentation and I wanted to raise the things on their own side that they never said out loud. This is a 1,600 megawatt facility. Ments has never published a capacity number, but the fine print on their job sites or job sites cites their own benchmark. One construction worker per megawatt, 2,400 of it, operation employee per megawatt. So divide their numbers, 1,600 construction jobs is 1,600 megawatts, 380 per man jobs is 1,500.

Voice I2hear it at 3:15:43

83 megawatt same answer twice they know the number ask them to say it um this community they tell this community no abatement were sought their footnote says the entire model requires approval of the NRS 360754 abatement that statute also cut state

Voice K2hear it at 3:16:01

Sales tax of 2%, which is back in the state share. The local share is what disappears. They show you what you receive. They never show you what you give up. And the revenue itself is not what it sounds like. 44.5 million to schools, about 25 million of that leaves. Because since Senate Bill 543, the school operating levy goes to the state education fund and returns statewide by per pupil formula. And there is no elected town of Pahrump. You are a board that decides everything. So are you going to decide to keep that money in this town? And third, the water slide doesn't add up. 35% of the 300 acre feet for domestic use, 380 employees do the division, 246 gallons per employee a day. That's not normal. It's between 8 to 25 per employee. Why do they need 300 feet of water? It's not a closed, I mean, they're using a lot more water than they're saying in a closed loop system. And then the 54 decibels sound, there's no baseline for that. They, you know, where are they getting these numbers? And it doesn't, it doesn't, and the baseline in machines that they're using does not measure the vibrations and the sound that humans hear. It's different from what we feel in here versus what the machines pick up. And is the data center running the data, is the developer actually running the data center, or are they just going to lease this off? What happens when this gets leased off to another company and they don't abide by our water rights? They don't abide by anything that was given to these, to developers. We now have to go against the new leasee. We don't have the money to do that. The fact that $149 million is going to cost the well owners in this town when that table level drops to where people cannot reach water. Thank you.

Voice M2hear it at 3:18:04

Thank you. Is Sam anybody on the phone, please?

Voice M2hear it at 3:18:10

Come on up.

Voice K2hear it at 3:18:14

Good afternoon. My name is Margaret Gebhardt, G-A-B-H-A-R-T. And I am a Pahrump resident from District 4, and I'm here today to voice my absolute opposition to any proposed data center within Basin 162. Pahrump sits entirely within Basin 162, as we know, and is critically overappropriated. And our water table is dropping, and our domestic wells are very vulnerable. Even though developer promises a closed-loop system, it comes with risks to our water via the chemicals that are inside that closed-loop system. The forever chemicals, the PFAs, as we have heard. And while I understand the push for economic growth, this project brings severe risk to our community that cannot be ignored and placing heavy strain on our local infrastructure and natural resources. Furthermore, the constant low frequency noise and the massive physical footprint that will permanently disrupt the character of our town and lower nearby home values. I don't care what they have to say.

Voice I2hear it at 3:19:26

Because this project forces our finite natural resources into a high-stakes corporate gold rush, transparency is mandatory and has not been. Therefore, I ask on the record today, one, has any member of this commission signed an NDA regarding any data center project interested within water base in 162? And two, do any members of this commission or your immediate families or ex-spouses hold a direct or indirect financial interest in any data center project within base in 162? The land options, the water rights?

Voice K2hear it at 3:20:02

any associated utility and infrastructure contracts. If a financial gain or conflict of interest exists for any commissioner, I call on you to publicly disclose that today and recuse yourself from any and all future discussions, deliberations, and votes regarding data centers. Our elected leaders must protect the water of Pahrump residents and not corporate bottom lines. Our community expects its elected leaders to vote solely in the best interests of the residents they represent, free from any personal financial incentives, and I urge the Board of County Commissioners to stand with the community, uphold the recommendations of the Nye County Water District Governing Board, and implement a permanent strict ban on data-centered developments in Basin 162. protect our water, protect our power, and protect our future. I ask that these questions and opposition be officially recorded in the minutes and thank you for your time I yield.

Voice M2hear it at 3:21:05

Thank you, ma'am. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 3:21:11

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice M2hear it at 3:21:18

Hi, this is Tim Bohannon, B-O-H-A-N-N-O-N, and I've had the pleasure of serving John O'Brien as part of regional planning over the past few years ending in June. A couple thoughts here. From a band standpoint and staying on point with the agenda item, should there be a ban, most likely yes. From a concern from the Mans Road or the Mans Technology Center presentation, I was a bit concerned about a listing of an independent accounting firm but not saying who it was. That does matter. I am a CPA and those kind of things matter from the assumptions. There are potential flaws in the calculation, especially in the tax calculations. that need to be looked at. But if, you know, what I didn't hear is that there's any guarantee, hey, we'll pay this tax money. But that's not the purpose of the day. Today is about the ban. Willingness of committing, you know, that would be a factor, but is that a factor there? And the answer is probably no, and here's why. We've heard what the committee has said about the physical concerns, the sound. Let's talk about the sound for a second. 46 decibels was the closest area to Mountain Falls. 46 is the sound of a washing machine. No problem. But if you have an average of 70, so say we have a dust storm. The dust storm hits the generators and causes issues there. That caused, and now it's in the little summer, and now we have more stress on the generators, and now you have more sound, and that sound increases, then what? You know, I like a good rock group that has many rockers from my generation. You want me to hoo? You want me to motorhead? Give me a kiss. I'm fine. All those had high decibel, and back two was one of the largest. I think it was 146 decimals. So would I listen to a concert? Absolutely. But do I need to listen to the concert 24-7? No. So that's a factor. The water factor is 300 acre feet. So what they'll suggest to you is if not its houses, that's a higher number of acres feet, that's actually in the ballpark of consistency with the expectation. Here's the thing. You have a group that is doing it that has said that they do not have the experience of doing it here, meaning in the desert. You can tell by the presentation there seemed to be a lack of that. I don't mind if there's some expertise brought there, but we have an issue here. We have a problem. There's no reason.

Voice N2hear it at 3:23:58

here meaning in the desert you could tell by the by the presentation there seemed to be a lack of that I don't mind that there's there's some expertise brought there but we have an issue here we have a problem there's no risk management plan there's no plan of protection protecting people from ban standpoint if you're going to do a ban that's one thing that

Voice N2hear it at 3:24:22

that covers it

Voice Ahear it at 3:24:24

Come on up and print, please.

Voice Dhear it at 3:24:28

Hello, Megan Flores, F-L-O-R-E-S. Yes, I am formally a Meads. What can I say? When we win as a family, we also lose as a family. So here we are. So I am on social media a lot. And on social media, it's full of complaints. People want better roads, they want more stores, more restaurants, and In-N-Out was mentioned specifically, Costco, better parks, more teachers in our schools. Our schools, more first responders, and more opportunities for our children. We all want those things, but here's the reality. None of those things happen without funding. We can't continue asking for the benefits that economic growth brings while rejecting every project that generates the revenue to make those improvements possible. The not-in-my-backyard mentality doesn't solve the challenges our county faces. As someone who grew up in Perron and is now raising my own family here. I want my son and every child growing up in this community to have the opportunity to build a future here if they choose. Right now, there simply aren't enough engineering jobs, technology careers, or other high-paying professional opportunities to keep our young people here. We encourage them to get an education, and then we watch them leave because they have to. I don't want that to continue being the story of Pahrump. Nye County has struggled with budget limitations for years. This project has the potential to change that. It creates the opportunity to strengthen our tax base, invest in infrastructure, improve public safety, support our schools, expand services for veterans, and build the kind of community families are proud to call home. Is this about money? Yeah, it is. None of that happens without it. Every improvement in our community asks for costs of money. Economic development is how communities can create the resources to invest in their future. I'm not asking you to ignore concerns. I'm asking you to let the process work. Continue requiring studies, negotiate strong development agreements, establish the ordinance, and hold developers accountable for every promise they have made. Commissioner Koenig, I know you specifically asked for where are the supporters. We're here. We're just quieter. We're not as loud. Please don't end this opportunity before the process has had the chance to run its course. Allow it to continue. Protect the interests of Nye County and give prompt the opportunity to grow responsibly. The decisions you make today will shape our community for generations. I hope you'll choose a future that gives our children a reason to stay, build careers, raise families, and continue calling prompt home. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 3:27:06

Thank you very much, ma'am. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone?

Voice Ahear it at 3:27:08

On the phone, please.

Voice Dhear it at 3:27:09

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ahear it at 3:27:26

Go, Joe, go. Oh, you're not spelled though, buddy.

Voice N2hear it at 3:27:29

Good afternoon. Yes, B-U-R-D-Z-I-N-S-K-I. Good afternoon, commissioners and the public that's listening to me speak at this time. I oppose having a data center here in Pahrump for a lot of the reasons that have already been discussed. I live about four miles from the racetrack. And I can hear the race cars running. Also, if a data center is put in, I'm going to hear that sound from the cooling systems of the data center. I've visited data centers in Michigan just recently when I was there for family. I think that if we have data centers, it should not be in Pahrump. Put it where they want it. Pahrump, I understand, wants it. Round Mountain earlier caller said there's also tax abatements that have been promised to the data center companies is my understanding, and therefore we won't see the generation of revenue from those taxes. possibly for five maybe even ten years so I know this is a hard decision I know there's a lot of emotion out there we need as a community to talk and come together but having a data center here in Pahrump I really feel is wrong for Pahrump thank you very much for your time

Voice Ahear it at 3:28:55

Thanks Joe come on down and prompt please

Voice Ghear it at 3:29:03

Hello, my name is Glenn Ledgerwood, L-E-D-G-E-R-W-O-O-D. I'm a real estate developer with 40 years experience in planning and land use. I have been building off and on in Pahrump for the last 25 years, and I urge you to vote to ban the data center in Pahrump. In 2016, I was notified by Nye County. They were proposing a moratorium to stop multifamily permits. The reason was water use concerns. The planner, Cheryl Beeman, asked me to provide a proof of water use. So I ran a water study over 200 units, which found that each unit averaged only 39 gallons a day. Based on the results, Nye County voted to remove the proposed moratorium.

Voice Ahear it at 3:29:52

It's hard to believe that just ten years ago they were so concerned about such a small water use issue and today you are considering this large-scale assault on our water supply and quality of life. The proposed manse location makes no sense. It is packed in close to four of the largest subdivisions in Pahrump, all newer, well-planned communities with strict landscape water savings restrictions in place. These neighborhoods are in no way compatible with the proposed 900-acre industrial monster, not to mention the extensive environmental risks, noise, stress, power grid.

Voice O2hear it at 3:30:36

and lowering the property values. The proposed Proseman proposed mance location also is in close proximity to five large municipal wells. Pronto has no significant surface river or ground or river surface water, only a fragile underground aquifer. Data centers are commonly linked to groundwater contamination in rural areas. There is no benefit for the residents. Simply put, it's not worth the risk. Trump currently has thousands of new homes mapped, approved, and ready for construction. This will help local workforce and contribute to Nye County's budget through impact fees and property taxes. This is the most critical. decision this board has ever faced. Here is your chance to save your town from a catastrophic water table threat that Pahrump may never recover from. This decision will define your legacy as a public servant. Please vote your conscience. I know this town has been good to some of you. Pahrump is a special place. Let's keep it that way. And the test site thing sounds pretty interesting. Thank you for your time.

Voice Ahear it at 3:31:51

Thank you, sir. Sam, anybody on the phones?

Voice Dhear it at 3:31:53

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ahear it at 3:32:09

Hello? Hi there. Can you spell your name for the record, please? Come on down and prompt, ma'am.

Voice P2hear it at 3:32:26

Hello, my name is Paula Thompson, T-H-O-M-P-S-O-N, and I have... My decision is the hard no on all data centers, no matter what they're calling themselves, including the Mann's campus, which I think is a nice name to hide behind what you truly are about. We need to protect our resources. We live in a desert. We can't freely give away our water. Excuse me, my throat's going out. And I stand with those that came before me that are against this. And I find it interesting last night with the program that was issued out to us that numbers were thrown out about water and the best things that are going to come to Pahrump, but we cannot afford to just agree and say that that's right. There needs to be an independent study to either prove what was said last night was true or more unlikely showed the deceit and the lies that were said last night. So commissioners, each of you have been elected by those in Nye County to protect us from those that would come in and steal our resources and destroy our way of life. We trusted and believed in you enough to put you in each of the seats that you occupy right now. We say hear our voices that are saying no and stand with us. And one more item is that the proposed center saying how much money they're going to dump into Pahrump and all this millions of dollars. But what cost do we put our health and our environment, not just for us, but for the future generations that are coming up? Thank you.

Voice Ahear it at 3:34:07

Thank you. Come on down and prompt, please.

Voice P2hear it at 3:34:14

Good afternoon commissioners and thank you to our community for being here today. My name is Mary Rose Parkman, last name P-A-R-K-M-A-N. As the prior speaker just said, at what cost? I mean we look at the past of what was approved as the general plan. We're looking at the present where how can we even consider Any developments being considered, excuse me, given the Basin 162 is currently over allocated. We lack the groundwater study results and they will not be shared publicly until 2027. Last night's M2C panel, they closed the comments. No questions. It was close comments. It was a one-sided presentation, which one thing that really surprised me was they compared Pahrump, rural Pahrump, to a suburban Virginia town. When they falsely claimed and compared that data centers are increasing property values in Virginia. Suburban Virginia is not rural Nevada. It's not. And it can't even be closely compared. Third, I would implore you to look at what Lyon County Commissioners are doing. Yesterday, they voted and they had an ordinance revision that the commissioners asked staff to revise, based on listening to the community's opposition to a data center up in Lyon County. The commissioners voted unanimously to tell the staff to revise the draft ordinance to include the first

Voice P2hear it at 3:36:03

Issues and concerns raised by the community with respect to water issues, the electrical grid, and the noise and air quality. Their exact... Mission if you will or direction to the staff was we urge that any facility has to report their emissions and share their emergency preparedness plan with the community for this reason I'm asking for the Commissioners to Have a call for a vote. I'm sure you're wanting to have lunch soon. If we can call for a vote and please vote to approve the ban. Thank you, Commissioner.

Voice Ahear it at 3:36:43

Thank you, Sam. Anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 3:36:46

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice R2hear it at 3:36:57

Hi, this is Nanette Markham. M-A-R-K-H-A-M. Can you hear me?

Voice Bhear it at 3:37:02

Yeah, go ahead, ma'am.

Voice R2hear it at 3:37:05

Okay, this is Nanette Markham, M-A-R-K-H-A-M. I had a call. I'm opposed. I'm not opposed to data centers. I've been in telecommunications for 38 years. I have customers in Switch and around the nation in colo data centers, completely different from the... the AI campuses that are being proposed here. I'm worried about the water. I'm worried about my home in Mount Falls. I have a business here. I really encourage you, I'm not going to go into all the details you've heard enough today, but I really encourage you to be on the data centers. They're not for Pahrump. I think we can do better. I think we can get some good business plans. There's a lot of smart people here, and hopefully we can make Trump a really good place to live for everyone, including children and seniors. Thank you.

Voice Ahear it at 3:38:03

Thank you. Come on down, sir.

Voice O2hear it at 3:38:07

Good afternoon, board. My name is John Aberle, A-B-E-R-L-E. Today we've heard a lot about closed loop cooling and Water usage. I am not for data centers. I love the idea of going out to the test site. There's a third option to cooling. You don't need immersion cooling. We'll use immersion cooling. It uses no water. That would save our aquifer. If you go to datacenters.com, there's a whole bunch of information of how in 2030. Most hyper-scale data centers, like what we're talking about, will be using dielectric fluids and submersible servers. These servers are not cheap. The dielectric fluid is not cheap. The water, on the other hand, is very inexpensive to the builder, the developer. It's very costly to us. There are other options. There are other avenues to do it. If they were to put a data center, I don't need a 75-foot tall building with immersion cooling. You can do it with a building the size of Walmart. You put that out on the test site. You don't need to use your contaminated water. The dielectric fluid will go on a heat exchanger. It will cool itself. Fluid will go back into the system. As far as when that fluid needs to be replaced, that's a concern the developer needs to deal with. These are not cheap systems to do it, and that's why developers don't want to do it. It is more cost effective for them to use our water, our resources, spend a few hours or a few years here and walk away. We're left with a hundred foot building, 16 of them to look at. I live in District 5 and it's not something that I really want to see, not something I really want to hear, and I think this board really needs to consider other options, other avenues. There are alternative ways of doing this. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 3:40:18

Thank you, sir. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 3:40:22

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice R2hear it at 3:40:29

Hello, this is Cheryl Beeman, B-E-E-M-A-N, and I want to appreciate, I just want to say that I appreciate all the participants' time and effort that they've invested in this topic. So much information has been presented both pro and con. However, what I would like to focus on is what I believe to be is a flawed public hearing notice. In accordance with NRS 278-260, it indicates that the public hearing notice must contain a brief summary of the intent of the proposed change. And ladies and gentlemen, if you read the public hearing notices that were mailed, there is no brief summary of the intent. the proposed zone change there is no mention in the public hearing notice for the zoning action that states the purpose is to support a data center

Voice Ahear it at 3:41:23

Hey, Cheryl. Cheryl, I'm sorry to interrupt you,

Voice Ahear it at 3:41:25

but this is not a zone change.

Voice R2hear it at 3:41:28

this is a flawed public hearing notice well we're talking about the data centers and I'm saying it is my contention that the public hearing notices that were

Voice Khear it at 3:41:38

were sent out for the public to know to be notified about this zone change vc26

Voice Ahear it at 3:41:47

that's a different, that's a different item, different day.

Voice Fhear it at 3:41:50

You got the wrong

Voice Ahear it at 3:41:55

Nice to hear from you though.

Voice Khear it at 3:41:57

I think we're talking about the

Voice R2hear it at 3:42:04

opposed to location of new status

Voice Fhear it at 3:42:07

are not out of zone change here.

Voice O2hear it at 3:42:08

That's all right. Thank you. Thank you, Cheryl.

Voice R2hear it at 3:42:12

I'm just pointing out that the public hearing is flawed.

Voice O2hear it at 3:42:17

Okay, thanks. Come on up.

Voice Khear it at 3:42:25

Okay, good afternoon.

Voice S2hear it at 3:42:26

Chair Baskovich, Commissioners, my name is Cherie Cabral, C-A-B-R-A-L. I am here on behalf of the Western Steel Council. We are the contractors who erect structural and reinforcing steel throughout Southern Nevada. We have no relationship whatsoever to this project, period. I'm here to urge you to vote no on any type of a permanent ban. I think that you should preserve, excuse me, preserve the rights that are provided to business holistically to submit and have their projects evaluated and permitted or rejected based on the individual merits and precisely. That's precisely why that process exists. I mean, that's a right or just a business, a way of doing business right legislatively. That being said, all the things that have been discussed here. This morning and this afternoon are conditions of approval and mitigation measures that can be placed as part of that process on anybody who is looking to permit a facility. And I think that's a much more effective way of doing that while still saying, look, we're open to business, we're open to new opportunities, we're open to tax revenue. I've heard some comparisons here tonight or this afternoon saying that, you know, using Loudoun County isn't a good. Isn't a good example for what will happen to a community, but I can give you two examples of rural communities that I think are good comparables. So one would be Boardman in Orange.

Voice T2hear it at 3:43:43

comparisons here tonight or this afternoon saying that you know using Loudoun County isn't a good example for what will happen to a community but I can give you two examples of rural communities that I think are good comparables so one would be Boardman in Oregon it is a rural community located on the Columbia River it has historically since the 1950s Since the 1950s had one of the highest poverty rates in all of Oregon, it is a place where people have children, those children leave and they don't come back. It has a population of about 5,000 people. They have data centers. Those data centers put $64 million a year into the city coffers, which has created the ability to write roads. streets. It's also created 2,600 new jobs, new housing, and whatnot. The other one would be the rural ranching community of Prineville. It is an area that was, again, people were leaving. It was a community that was dying. It is now kind of the heart of the green industrial tech sector within, again, Oregon, and it has had a complete revitalization and people moving there, the schools have come in, you have young families, so. It is possible. It's not just some type of a pipe dream that the developers are selling saying that you're going to have money coming into the coffers. Loudoun County gets 1.3 to 1.37 billion dollars a year, right? So you're talking about a lot of money. They also have the highest property values in the entirety of Virginia. So the two things do not go hand in hand. So this fear mongering that people are going to lose everything. Everything

Voice Ahear it at 3:45:28

Thank thank you

Voice T2hear it at 3:45:29

a little overblown.

Voice Ahear it at 3:45:30

Thank you. Sam anybody on the phone please

Voice Dhear it at 3:45:34

Yes, Chair, the collar is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record. They hang up.

Voice Ahear it at 3:45:44

Come on down sir. I don't I wonder if something's wrong with the damn thing.

Voice Fhear it at 3:45:50

Good afternoon. My name is Bode Medeiros, M-E-D-E-I-R-O-S. I'm the new kid on the block here. I've only been in Pahrump for three years, just for a little bit of background. I'm prior military, retired law enforcement. My families were mostly firefighters and we even let some people become EMTs in MICTs. So my family has always been a service to the community family. What I'd like to say is not to tell you what's better for Perum. I mean, you guys should know that. These people out here are talking whether they're for regulated growth or against data centers. They all want the same basic thing. They want what's better for Pahrump. So your responsibility is to decide what that is. And I hope my fellow residents don't forget that that's the whole point of this, is the betterment of Pahrump. I understand you guys are dealing with a short fall in the budget. We need infrastructure and support for the officers, firefighters, EMT. We need roads to be repaired, in my opinion. We need a lot of things. I personally, being the new kid, don't believe this is the way. But I'm not against growth. I'm just for responsible growth, just like some of these other people are. That's all I got to say. Thank you for your time.

Voice Ahear it at 3:47:35

Thank you and welcome. Come on down and prompt, please.

Voice Fhear it at 3:47:43

Hello, Jeannie King, K-I-N-G. I'm not going to repeat all the things that you already know, but the lady from Oregon, Oregon's loaded with water. Another, because I'm from Washington State originally, on the Columbia. Another thing is another person said that we're against growth and it's like not in my backyard. It's more for me like not in my front yard because it's so obvious. I'm not against data centers. I do support a ban on data centers in Pahrump. I think out in the test site sounds like a wonderful place because it's already got a water supply. It's already spoiled. So there's a lot of health issues I worry about being retired medical. They haven't done the science yet, like with the COVID, they said trust the science and it ended up killing a lot of people. And so we really got to get into the science of this. What's this going to do to people working inside that facility? You know, like another 10, 20 years from now, there might be a good job turnover because they're all spinning like bugs. You know, we do not know what it's done. There's not been enough study. It's new. Yes, I think we need to stay up with data centers and, you know, the technical war that's going on. They've never said anything about if they were regulated about putting up like a billion dollar bond in case something goes awry. That would be something that I'd really want to hear.

Voice U2hear it at 3:49:42

Another thing they're not thinking about is Margaritaville. They're going to build 5,000 new homes in the area, okay? I tell you what, if I was coming in with my family and I saw this huge honking data center. And I was looking to buy a home, I turned right around and leave because you don't know what the EMFs, the vibrations are going to do. I know leukemia in kids, dementia, cancer and stuff comes from voltage lines. Last comment is, John, I know how you stood with us for the solar fields, keeping them out of our backyard and our front yard. Which I really appreciate. I can't foresee that you wouldn't make the best decision for this town, and I thank you.

Voice Ahear it at 3:50:37

Thank you for that. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Ahear it at 3:50:41

Come on down, ma'am.

Voice Khear it at 3:50:46

Good afternoon, commissioners and Pahrump. I have heard everybody else say the same thing.

Voice Ghear it at 3:50:51

I'm sorry ma'am can you spell it

Voice Khear it at 3:50:52

I'm so sorry.

Voice Khear it at 3:50:54

Melissa Skelton, S-K-E-L-T-O-N, and

Voice Khear it at 3:50:57

I'm with everyone else. I want to ban it, and I agree the electric and the water, but I did some researching for the health because I have concerns because there's so many people here who we are retired now and even kids with health issues. So I'd like to.

Voice Dhear it at 3:51:11

to point out a couple things, if I may, please. I can't get my picture back. There it is. Did you know rural hall hyperscale data centers, if approved, can cause the following effect on our bees. Increased temperatures can cause higher death rates, reduced sperm and male bees, cause colony collapse, increased vulnerability and parasites. Noise and vibration interferes with acoustic communication, disturbs waggle dance used to find food, high decibels cause stress and bee colonies.

Voice Khear it at 3:51:37

We need bees for survival. Data centers contribute to higher electricity bills for residents, particularly in areas where they are located, with some regions experiencing increases up to 267% over five years. They also impact water resources as many data centers use significant amounts of water for cooling, which can strain local supplies. Representative Harriet Hageman demands answers after Mark Zuckerberg's 800 million dollar metadata center caught contaminating Wyoming wastewater Yeah, data centers noise can potentially affect individuals with seizures as noise high noise levels may contribute to stress and sleep disturbances which are known triggers for seizures in some people. My son suffers from seizures so this means a lot to me on that one. Additionally the constant low frequency hum from data centers can be particularly bothersome and may exasperate health issues for sensitive individuals. AI data centers emit noise up to 96 decibels.

Voice Dhear it at 3:52:37

principles 24-7 with low frequency infra sound that humans feel as pressure but cannot hear. Residents report dizziness, nausea, vertigo, insomnia, headaches, and anxiety. They attribute to data center noise pollution. Infrared at high volumes can affect the central nervous system and heart function according to McGill University researchers. 70% of U.S. adults oppose having a data center in their area a March Gallup poll found. At least 11 states have... is a proposed legislation since late 2022 to restrict or ban data center development. Thank you. That's it.

Voice Bhear it at 3:53:12

Thank you for that. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Bhear it at 3:53:16

Come on down, sir.

Voice V2hear it at 3:53:20

Good afternoon, commissioners. Tim Sutton, S-U-T-T-O-N, prompt resident for over 18 years and consultant for the Mantis Technology Campus. During the county-sponsored workshop on the 25th of June, a few people who publicly expressed even the slightest interest in a data center were booed while they were speaking and cat called as they left the building. We saw some of that today. Subsequent conduct has been even worse on the internet as supporters of the project have been threatened to have arms taken up against them, had pictures of their personal residences posted online and been subject to threats to have their businesses boycotted. Considering this type of conduct, it's understandable that supporters of the data centers are reluctant to come forward to express their support. Consequently, you shouldn't be surprised if the conversation seems a little lopsided at times, but I can assure you that there's a lot more support for this project than what you see at the moment. you see at these meetings. There's also been a lot of discussion about paid experts. Of course our project is using paid experts. All experts are paid. I don't know of any who work for free. If anybody knows any, please give them my number. As part of this project, the developers have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on engineering reports and studies to support the claims they are making about this project. Claims about water usage, traffic, noise, power consumption, and other concerns that have been raised by the public. If anyone believes that a report should be dismissed just because somebody paid for it, that's your right. But then you need to carry that logic all the way through and dismiss all of the reports that are required by Nye County on any project, not just for data centers. People involved in real estate and land development pay for all kinds of reports. Expert reports such as traffic impact analyses, technical drainage studies, grading plans, geotechnical reports, utility plans, water systems analyses, topographic studies, environmental reports, etc. Nobody does this work for free, so they will always be paid for by a developer. If that fact renders them unreliable, then stop requiring them altogether. Road building and land development would happen a lot faster and cheaper if we just got rid of the 40 plus studies and reports currently required. they're required under the NRS code and Nye County code. Obviously that's a silly position but it highlights the very problem we've been dancing around today. On one hand people are demanding that developers provide details, facts and studies about the project but as soon as anything is produced it's immediately dismissed as being biased. Should you take the developers at their word when it comes to the alleged impacts and the promised benefits? Of course not. That would be irresponsible and frankly stupid. That's why you have development agreements, which puts these promises in writing, sets up a framework for monitoring them, and establishes penalties for non-compliance. And these penalties should not be small, but should be significant enough to deter or remediate any deviation from what was promised, up to and including complete shutdown of the project. Such a development agreement is not before you today and nobody's asking you to approve a data center today. We simply ask that you vote against the ban so we can bring forward the project to you at a future date. with all of the details so you can make a fully informed decision at that time. That's the process you approved several months ago and we respectfully request that you stay the course. Thank you.

Voice Ahear it at 3:56:08

Thank you. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 3:56:11

Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice U2hear it at 3:56:19

Hello? Is this me?

Voice Ahear it at 3:56:22

Yes, sir. I guess it's you.

Voice Ghear it at 3:56:25

Who are you?

Voice W2hear it at 3:56:26

Hello, I'm very sorry to interrupt your meeting. My name is A.J. Brown, common spelling, last name B-R-O-W-N. Folks, I'm deaf, and for some reason your closed captioning is not working on the feed on the Internet at nycounty.graini. c-u-s-dot-com I see the tone of paw feed and closed captioning, but when you show the local feed with the commissioners and the main audience The closed captioning is not present. I've been in contact with people in the audience. They are saying that they see the closed captioning. I've confirmed this on my phone as well. I went in through the internet and the same results. So if somebody could please check your closed captioning on the internet feed, I would certainly appreciate it. Keep up the good work guys. Thank you.

Voice Ghear it at 3:57:30

Thank you. We will do that. Thank you. Come on down, ma'am.

Voice U2hear it at 3:57:38

Penny Betcha, B-E-C-C-I-A. All I can tell you, I don't have all these facts and all that, but I have feelings. And I grew up in Las Vegas over 51 years ago when it was quiet, beautiful skies and all that. Just that's the reason I moved here in 2018. I don't have any kids, so I don't know what the future will be for them because there are none. But I do know one thing that.

Voice W2hear it at 3:58:04

I know you can't stop data centers because we wouldn't have a cell phone, we wouldn't have computers and all these things that we like, but I do know that water is precious. That is very precious to us and I know that I totally think

Voice Fhear it at 3:58:24

The test site's a great idea. I mean, we'll still reap the benefits with, so with Beatty, Tonopah, Round Mountain, all the ones that are in Nye County, we could, yeah, we do need new roads and thank you for that road too that you helped out with. But the bottom line is I don't want it in Pahrump. Pahrump is already growing a lot since the time I've been here. and I came here back in the 70s when there was nothing here just to check it out yeah they said they made fun of the hump to Pahrump well you guess what I'm in the hump now to Pahrump but it's to me it's a good town it's I like it I like to see the skies and all that I like all these beautiful things I don't want a big city I don't want big high rises and all that I think I left Las Vegas for that reason but the bottom line is Tonopah sounds really good good and the only one that's in control at the bottom line is God is always in control please consider the test site thank you

Voice Ahear it at 3:59:25

Thank you very much. Sam, anybody on the phone, please.

Voice Ahear it at 3:59:28

Come on down and parump, ma'am.

Voice X2hear it at 3:59:33

Hello, my name is Jade Vanderbeek, V-A-N-D-E-R-B-E-E-K. It is engineer terms, which I'm pretty sure last time I checked, you do tattoos, not engineering, sit back in your chair and stay in your lane. That is what Megan Meads, daughter of R.S. Meads of Double M Construction said to me after I clarified that 300 acre feet of water is 97 million gallons. She's right about one thing, I'm not an engineer. I don't have an engineering. engineering degree, I hate math. I'm a full-time artist and tattoo artist. Apparently we need to clarify that. What she left out is that before I started tattooing, I worked with tech companies like NASA JPL and Raytheon. Technology has always been a part of my life. I've been building and taking apart computers for as long as I can remember. I studied computer science before committing to art full time and earned certification in Python programming and more technical subjects. I'm not an engineer, but I'm certainly familiar with technology. I've also worked in marketing, graphic design, social media since I was in high school. In high school, I landed my first paid job at 14. These experiences taught me that trust is everything. If you're asking a community to support this project, you earn that through honesty, consistency, and transparency. Unfortunately, that is not what we've been seeing. Public meetings have been canceled. Public comments are turned off. Community members have felt dismissed, myself included. My sister, my friends, and I have been called ignorant, uneducated, afraid, and desperate. My sister was told, and I quote, feel free to move out of Pahrump to another town with no potential growth if the data center gets approved. If this project is truly such a great opportunity for the community, why are the people representing it attacking those who ask questions? Why is there such an effort to control the comments? the conversation instead of encouraging it why is transparency so hard we do not know the long-term impacts of living near data center campuses that is not fear-mongering that is fact data centers are very new relatively new and long-term research on communities living near them is very limited however there are decades of research on non-ionizing electromagnetic fields or EMFs electrical harmonics power quality and dirty electricity Some studies report long-term EMF exposure to childhood leukemia, central nervous system tumors, brain cancer, breast cancer, Alzheimer's, cognitive dysfunction, miscarriage, ADHD, obesity, asthma, oxidative stress, free radical formation, and DNA damage. Hundreds of scientists have called for risk mitigation to reduce public exposure to these EMFs. Some studies have found the highest levels of electrical power distortion with... I'm going to push them within 50 miles. 50 miles. That is the entire town of Pahrump. Last year, the United States spent $25 billion on health care and pollution linked to data centers. When a project has so many unanswered questions about long-term impacts, asking for more studies is the bare minimum. I've lived in Pahrump for almost 25 years. This is my home. This is my family. I want to continue living here, building my future, and raise my own family. What I find hardest to understand is how anyone can claim the project. Project is for the community while treating the community so poorly. Friends don't insult friends for asking questions.

Voice Ahear it at 4:02:35

Thank you very much. Sam do we have anybody on the phone please?

Voice X2hear it at 4:02:38

I have a question actually. My dad's been on hold on the phone. Can we confirm the number to call in? I'm so sorry.

Voice Ahear it at 4:02:45

Yes, talk to Serena. I'm sorry Sam go ahead. All

Voice Dhear it at 4:02:51

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice W2hear it at 4:02:58

Yes, Paul. Lima, L-E-M-U-S, a 10-year property investor and property owner in Amargosa Valley. You know, I sit here and I appreciate everybody having both sides to speak, and I really appreciate all the people in the room, and I'd like to say that to our commissioners that have been voted and are now going to be stepping down, thank you very much for your volunteer time. putting up with what you've been putting up with I've been watching online and social media and your your your work and what you volunteered and your time is it it can never be replaced so thank you guys for what you've done but I sit here and I listen to so many people just

Voice Y2hear it at 4:03:28

and social media and your your your work and what you've volunteered and your time is it it can never be replaced so thank you guys for what you've done but I sit here and I listen to so many people just fragrantly saying well put it at the test site put put this at the test site I've heard this four or five times you know this whole project the NWR MRPO, all the money that went to that fund was supposed to go to Amaragosa Valley. Amaragosa Valley has been the little brother who's been picked on, who's been pushed aside. And when the International Property Maintenance Code issues came up, we didn't push you aside, Durham. We didn't push Nye County aside. We stepped up in Amaragosa Valley and us and our District 1 Commissioner. shut down that international property maintenance code I think it's kind of a little bit weak that people are sitting there pointing well put it in Amar Gosa because soon as you say test site that's basically what you're saying you know we've got people out here too and last thing we want to do is have you guys dump it on us you know this situation in Lake Tahoe Nevada and California side there's two 50,000 residences there, 50,000 that are not going to have power due to this data center. So if you think you're just going to put it in Maragosa and not have to deal with the problem with the power and the water use and the waste, you're sadly mistaken. Don't think that you can just put it over there in our neighborhood. We're the little brother, but we're also the ones who have spoke up and fought for you guys. So a ballot major. It's how these things are usually settled. You put it on the ballot, you make it a ballot measure, and that way you can finalize it and find out what it is without people being attacked with what's best for the people or for the community. But just to say, let's throw it over there in Amargosa, which is basically what you're saying every time you're saying test site, we don't want it necessarily either. Let our community step up and speak up for what we want. What we want, we don't want you guys to speak up. We didn't do that to you with the International Property Maintenance Code. We fought and put our 10 toes down and we kept them on the ground and we battled that from beginning to end. Thank God for Bruce Jabor who finally motioned against his own county manager to put it to rest. So I'd just like that to be said and

Voice Y2hear it at 4:05:59

then thank you guys

Voice Y2hear it at 4:06:00

I wish you showed up like that in the beginning.

Voice Ahear it at 4:06:03

Come on down, Mr.

Voice Y2hear it at 4:06:07

A lot of people think I'm a turtle. I'm actually a tortoise. Eric Coleman, C-O-L-E-M-A-N, but you can call me Shelly. Well, this is fun. The Mead family and a couple friends from Vegas versus the people of Pahrump. You know, being a desert tortoise is not easy. Folks tried to kill me all the time with solar farms, and now I'm hearing something about a data center, a hyperscale data center. When I first heard about it, it gave me shell shock, actually. A huge... A huge water guzzling data center in the middle of a desert during a mega drought or an air-cooled server that makes a sickening drone and possibly could make people sick and it still uses a lot of water. And for what? Jobs? What jobs? Security from the angry mob when their home value drops to zero? Nobody wants this. Nobody wants this, including us wildlife. I mean coyotes, road runners, lame ducks. Also, a couple of commissioners here, why would they even vote for it? To make some money? Jeez, and I thought I was cold-blooded. And what's with this being sprung on us at the last moment? I mean, yikes, I've seen filthy data center water that's more transparent than this. And what's so special about AI anyways? I mean, what's it going to do? Is AI going to predict when Deborah Strickland takes a bribe 10 years before she takes it? I mean, geez, I thought you would be more strict with the land, Strickland. What a shell out. And next we have Ron Boskovich. You know, the other day I asked Ron, what are you going to do when everyone... Everyone finds out that you took thousands of dollars from developers, you know, and he said, pardon. I said, Ron, what are people going to do when they find out that you took that? He said, no, no, no, I heard you. I'm going to ask Governor Joe Lombardo for a pardon. Koenig, I'm not going to touch you right now. I just hope that you do the right thing.

Voice Z2hear it at 4:07:49

And if this thing does get built, Pahrump will become a ghost town. It's just a matter of when and how quickly these greedy, covetous developers and irresponsible tech companies can drain our aquifer. And I personally aqua prefer to have water. But what do I know? I'm just a thousand-year-old tortoise.

Voice Ghear it at 4:08:09

Sam, do we have anybody on the phone please? Okay, break time. Ten minutes.

Voice Ahear it at 4:09:05

Well, I told Deborah I'm leaving at five. This... this... Meeting is done at five and we'll resume tomorrow.

Voice Khear it at 4:09:12

Yeah, I think we can

Voice Khear it at 4:09:14

at five. Yeah, let's put it at five.

Voice Fhear it at 4:09:17

Then what will there will be?

Voice Khear it at 4:09:18

I guess we're not gonna take a lunch.

Voice Fhear it at 4:09:20

Uh, Ten I

Voice Khear it at 4:09:20

have take a lunch.

Voice Ahear it at 4:09:54

Okay, we ready. Go ahead, ma'am.

Voice A3hear it at 4:10:01

Good afternoon. My name is Julia Muscall.

Voice Ahear it at 4:10:04

Excuse me, audience. Hello, we're trying to do a meeting.

Voice A3hear it at 4:10:07

Oh, I can speak louder

Voice A3hear it at 4:10:12

M-U-S-A-L-L. And we already know that there are two for and two against. And it's Mr. Koenig that everybody is, that's right, it's you again.

Voice Fhear it at 4:10:28

And everyone seems to know how I'm going to

Voice Z2hear it at 4:10:30

vote. I love that.

Voice A3hear it at 4:10:32

hope not, because we're here to hopefully you will agree to ban the data centers. And we have heard from everybody, engineers. Realtors, developers, and who you haven't heard from are cancer survivors. I am a 32-year breast cancer survivor. And when a data center came up, you know, I had no idea what they were. But then when they started talking about... Cancer, childhood cancer, you know, contaminated water. I pray to God every day that I don't pass my cancer on to my daughter. I pray to God that I don't pass it to my grandchildren. So, Mr. Koenig. All I ask, and I don't know, I don't know you, I don't know if you have a family, I don't know if you have children, grandchildren, all I ask is you think about the future because Mr. Meads has a history according to the Pahrump Valley Times of multiple construction defects. Where a judge basically said, just bulldoze the buildings down and start over. What is going to happen when this happens to a data center? What happens when all of these chemicals, all the poison that everybody is talking about goes into our water? Just like everybody says, it's going to be another Hinckley. Look at Flint, Michigan. All I'm asking, everybody knows it's coming down to you. I mean, we're not going to sugarcoat it. Well, we already know what you're going to vote.

Voice Ghear it at 4:12:35

No, you don't.

Voice A3hear it at 4:12:36

Well, you've said it so many times. Well, then surprise us. Surprise us. So anyway, that's all I want to say. I just hope you do what your constituents ask for. So thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 4:12:53

welcome. By the way, I have 15 great grandkids.

Voice Ahear it at 4:12:57

One down, Susie.

Voice Fhear it at 4:12:58

And I'm 84.

Voice Ahear it at 4:13:04

Please, not another break.

Voice A3hear it at 4:13:06

Good afternoon. Susie hurts. Hello Bruce, way far away. And the rest of I'm you.

Voice Fhear it at 4:13:16

here, Susie. Thank you.

Voice A3hear it at 4:13:20

A couple of the things that I heard in the presentation yesterday, I did listen and it hasn't been, it's been brought up but it hasn't been attended to. The height for these buildings is 75 feet. That's seven and a half stories tall. Please pay attention to that. We're having problems accepting two-story residential housing in this community, and these people are proposing 18 buildings that are going to be seven and a half stories tall. I say no to that. Ian, I would hope that in this ordinance... that we might include not just towns without town boards, but also include Basin 162. That's the issue that we all know is critical and important, and it's not just the town of Pahrump or the town of Gabs or the town of any other town in this county, and there are other water basins as have been mentioned, but I would plea that we include Basin 162 in this verbiage. One of the other things that I heard about in yesterday's presentation were things they termed as air coolers. They're on top of the buildings. We know them as air conditioners. If you go out to the side of your house or the back of your house or the roof of your house, wherever it is, and stand and listen to your air conditioner for your house. Whether it's 1,400 square feet or 3,000 square feet, it's a very noisy thing. So please let's be realistic about what we're talking about here. 18 buildings with air conditioners on the tops of them to cool all the contents of the buildings. So 50 decibels. probably a very meager estimation. Air quality, I just noticed I had been passed a notice from my ring software saying that our air quality on August 1st, which is three days ago, two days ago, was dangerous here in Pahrump and everybody was to stay indoors.

Voice Fhear it at 4:16:02

and reduce their activities. We don't even have a data center anywhere near us we

Voice Bhear it at 4:16:11

Thank you, Susie. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 4:16:17

Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Y2hear it at 4:16:23

Hey everybody, this is David Van Der Beek. V-A-N-D-E-R-B-E-K, thanks for a moment of your time. Just so you know, Story County has data centers, massive data centers, but they're 90 to 15 miles away from the nearest residential home. And I want you to know that, and I want you all to know that.

Voice B3hear it at 4:16:45

The boys up in Carson City in Reno know you don't build a data center by anybody's home. Now why? Because of the science. It's interesting. A couple people have said we don't know the long-term damage of data centers. Actually we do. We actually do. Data centers are heavily connected with Dirty electricity and EMF. We already have, these are professional studies. There are several organizations. The Bioinitiative Working Group. The electro pollution free environment International Accreditation Foundation, the International Commission on the Biological Effects of Electromagnetic Field. These are peer-reviewed longitudinal studies that are published. Now the attorney for the developer provided me one study from 2002 called the electric and magnetic fields associated with the use of electricity. electricity power and they're saying that this proves their data center is going to be safe you know what that studies small appliances printers lamps toasters okay it's not a study of data centers the data centers are putting out dirty electricity harmonics let me give you a few of the highlights of what this does to people we already know cancer cardiovascular disease Diabetes, suicide, chronic fatigue, depression, headaches, body aches, and pains, ringing the ears, dizziness, impaired sleep, memory loss, confusion. So multiple sclerosis. Fascinating, right? This is what we all want, exciting. $20 billion healthcare costs estimated by 2030. 100, excuse me, 1,300. premature death annually because of data centers brain tumors malignant oh acoustic tumors okay so that's a tumor inside your ear by your brain from the sound you know people brought that up about the sound so very exciting geopatogenotoxicity DNA damage neural genetic disease hey that's Alzheimer's compromise melatonin production okay oh and let's not forget EMF grid noise it's already proven it disrupts the navigational systems of bees and migratory birds awesome so and then there's another this is this is for students classroom so milliman setzer studies they were studying the effect on classrooms they tracked it So what happened in this classroom to the teachers and the students? Headaches, chronic fatigue, student behavioral disruption, and

Voice Ahear it at 4:19:25

Thank thank thank you, sir. Thank you, sir.

Voice Ahear it at 4:19:29

and front please.

Voice B3hear it at 4:19:29

hard stomach. Don't.

Voice Ghear it at 4:19:36

I've learned as much here today as I did my years in college. Hopefully each of you received my hand-delivered email yesterday. Oh, sorry. Roger Wilson, W-I-L-S-O-N.

Voice Ahear it at 4:19:54

I don't know if you got my email or not. So anyway, I'm just going to make this brief. Currently, too many critical questions remain unanswered, which is precisely why we must vote yes on this ban to protect ourselves until we have more clarity. Thank you.

Voice Z2hear it at 4:20:13

Thank you, sir. Come on down, Dwight.

Voice Ahear it at 4:20:20

Dwight Lilley, L-I-L-L-Y. I find this whole conversation today rather interesting. Developer comes into town, buys 900 acres of land, 300 acre feet of water, goes behind our back, tries to get zoning change and everything.

Voice Fhear it at 4:20:39

And then suddenly I'm supposed to somehow get up here and plead not to have something that I never asked for. I didn't ask for data centers. I don't need data centers. So why are we all completely concerned about this? Well, it's because about 95% of the people that I've polled don't want data centers here. They weren't asked. by the people ahead of time and I would think courtesy would be if you're an outsider coming over here from Summerlin you would come in hey do you mind if we bring data centers into your town the simple answer would have been no and then that would have been it but no they have to sneak in here and then oh we're going to throw all this money at you you know what my soul is not for sale My rural town is not for sale. I didn't ask for data center. I'm glad that Ian Bain brought this up. The last time an item was on the agenda, it was brought up that, well, we want to find more information about the people. This place was packed. There were hundreds of people here all day long. I've been to several presentations by Mr. Meads. I understand what they're talking about, but I don't want it. Just like I don't want a stockyard in this town. I don't want a laboratory coming in and doing human experiments. I don't want any of that. I want Pahrump the way it is. I don't think that's unreasonable. Somebody comes into town, wants to throw money around, that's their business. Sell your 900 acres, sell your 300 acre feet of water and go away. We don't want you here. That's it. I don't want you.

Voice Ahear it at 4:22:13

Thanks, Mayor. Sam, anybody on the phone, please.

Voice Z2hear it at 4:22:19

Come on down, sir.

Voice C3hear it at 4:22:25

Martin Zam ZAM. I have 46 years of living in data centers of grand scale, NASDAQ, American Stock Exchange, New York Stock Exchange, Webex Communications, the largest provider of online meetings on the planet. And I can tell you that the amount of information that's been made available to us screams it would be negligent at this point to give a go to a project with the limited information that's been made available at this point. You have a town, it seems like, myself and others here, you've got a town full of engineers who actually would understand the risks, mitigation strategies, whether or not we can make a compromise. My suggestion here is that you're in no position to make a go decision. You haven't got enough information whether or not it's understandable as a second.

Voice D3hear it at 4:23:13

We can make a compromise. My suggestion here is that you're in no position to make a go decision. You haven't got enough information whether or not it's understandable as a second point. But the point is there isn't enough information to make a go. You've got to put a hold on this thing if you're going to do something reasonable and study enough about this to know what the parameters have to be. You can put into code. You're laying to code what the acceptance criteria for a facility like this might be, but you can't just give it a go because you don't honestly, I doubt that anyone on the board has enough information supplied to you to make a go decision. It wouldn't be a safe or prudent thing to do. It would border on criminally negligent to make a go decision. For something that you don't understand that has a 50 plus year lifespan on what this community becomes, or how you drain the residents of their water and their lifestyle and their health. So my suggestion is pull together the engineers in town, let us look at the data. that is provided or pull it up for ourselves, give you a fair assessment, and that requires some time. And in order to get that time, I strongly suggest putting a ban on the data center until such time as you have enough information, enough time to put down sensible regulation around what a facility like this would look like, what its acceptance criteria would be. Outside of that, there's no way you can justify a go decision. You just can't. Somebody will have to come after you if you do. That is not a question. Somebody will have to counter you if you make a go decision without enough information and you impact all of us. I myself moved here. Bought a couple of acres of land, brought my grandchildren, I'm raising donkeys,

Voice Ahear it at 4:25:28

Thank and you.

Voice D3hear it at 4:25:28

I'm raising dogs and

Voice Ahear it at 4:25:30

Thank you. Thank you very much.

Voice D3hear it at 4:25:32

I There cannot go

Voice Ahear it at 4:25:32

is no go

Voice Ahear it at 4:25:33

decision. Sam, anybody on the phone, please.

Voice Dhear it at 4:25:36

Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice E3hear it at 4:25:43

Hi, Robert Adams, ADA-MS. I agree with the gentleman that just spoke that we don't have enough information at this point and it would be expedient way to carry on with this is put a sunset clause to say 2030 of the bill that's being considered 2027 we're going to have the water information back and that will give us time to mull over that There's really no way you can go with the decision today right now. Thank you.

Voice Ahear it at 4:26:20

Thank you. Come on down, sir.

Voice Bhear it at 4:26:24

Commissioners, Sean D'Alessandro, D-A-L-E-S-A-N-D-R-O. I'd like to read you some of the concerns I've heard. There aren't enough studies. No one can promise it's safe. This doesn't belong near where people live.

Voice E3hear it at 4:26:41

Once it goes in, this place is going to dry up. Those sound like concerns related to a data center. They're not. Not enough studies, no one can promise it's safe. That's the Hoover Dam. Congress turned down the Hoover Dam proposal three years in a row. People said the weight of all the water would set off earthquakes, that if it ever broke, it'd wipe out everything below it.

Voice Bhear it at 4:27:02

That dam, which is about an hour and a half from where we stand today, it's 90 years old, still standing, still generating gigawatts of power, still recognized as one of the wonders of the industrial world. Does it belong near where we live? That's farmers out in the country in the 1930s when they first ran power lines to rural communities. Where would we be today if we didn't have power in rural communities? Once it goes in, this place is going to dry up. That's people fighting the railroad 150 years ago, and the towns that fought it off and won, the rail went somewhere else. So did the jobs, so did the investment and growth. For what it's worth, Vegas was not one of those towns. Las Vegas started its life as a railroad town. Its official birthday, May 15, 1905, the day the railroad company auctioned off 110 acres around the train station to build the town site. Now don't get me wrong. I'm not saying there aren't valid concerns. Some of the community's concerns are real and they need to be dealt with. The concern around water is valid. The look and feel of a project of this scale is valid. But the project's benefits to this community are also real. The answer is to regulate these projects, not ban them. The county is already working on an ordinance that gives them the ability to put rules in place for projects like this. Finish that process. Let me read a short excerpt from a residence letter we've received. I am a constituent of the 5th District and I have spent five years serving children of our community, working for the school district. With the recent budget cuts, I do not have a position this school year. This project would flood money into our county and school district. I'm expressing my support for the Manistec campus because I believe it is something our community needs.

Voice F3hear it at 4:28:48

She's not alone. Every single day we're receiving messages in support of our project. Real concerns should not be ignored, but the potential benefits of this project are too great to ignore as well. And dismissing them comes with real consequences. Consequences like more laid off teachers. Let's build responsibly and build up the community while we're doing it. Vote regulate, not ban.

Voice Ahear it at 4:29:11

Thank you. Sam, anybody on the phone please?

Voice Dhear it at 4:29:14

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice E3hear it at 4:29:22

Yes. Hello. Can you hear me?

Voice Ghear it at 4:29:28

Yes, go ahead.

Voice E3hear it at 4:29:28

Can you hear me?

Voice Ghear it at 4:29:29

Yep. Go ahead.

Voice E3hear it at 4:29:33

name is Dr. My name is Dr. Kapua Johnson. That's spelled Kapua with a K. Last name is Johnson, J-O-H-N-S-O-N. I support the ban on the data center. I believe that it's a slap in the face to us owners of the now defunct Calvada Estates lot.

Voice G3hear it at 4:29:59

These are called the vacant lots. We are being denied the right to live or otherwise develop our land because and partly because of low water resources and yet a data center is being proposed that would use a massive amount of water. And yet we cannot even use our own land because of concerns of our water consumption. Again, as I said, this is a slap in the face to those of us who are trying to use our own land that we bought for me, for instance, 40 years ago. Thank you.

Voice Ghear it at 4:30:40

Thank you. Come on down and prompt please.

Voice H3hear it at 4:30:49

Afternoon Commissioners, my name is Terry Jo Hook, H-O-O-K, a 23-year resident of Pahrump. I stand here today to respectfully demand that this board immediately vote yes to enact a permanent ban on all hyperscale data centers without exception. First under the Nevada land use law an application is merely a request. More importantly the Nevada Supreme Court has repeatedly affirmed the reserved powers doctrine. The county cannot contract away its core duty to protect its citizens. Your police power to protect public safety completely overrides any developer's pending application. On May 26, 2026 our own Nye County Water District governing board voted in unanimous unanimously five to zero that data centers are a non-permissive use of water in basin 162. Additionally, our fire chief has explicitly stated we cannot safely suppress a fire at these facilities. If the board ignores its own environmental and safety experts and vote yes on these projects, you are committing a textbook abuse of discretion. Under Nevada law, That makes your vote arbitrary, capricious, and void in a court of law. Second, this entire application process is ethically compromised. Our former county manager of seven years resigned and immediately became a paid lobbyist and attorney for the data center developer. He then brought these proposals directly before a new county manager whom this board hired directly from the planning department. This is a flagrant violation of NRS 281A.410. which strictly prohibits former public officers from cashing in and representing private entities before their former agency on matters that were pending during their tenure. We know the infrastructure order for the Gamebird substation and the fiber optic cables were quietly moved through administrative channels while he was in office. The pipeline is tainted. I remind this.

Voice I3hear it at 4:32:52

entire board of the landmark United States Supreme Court decision Nevada Commission on Ethics versus Kerrigan 2011 Justice Scalia writing for a unanimous nine to zero Supreme Court ruling explicitly ruled that a legislator's vote is not a personal peace free speech it is an exercise of public power the Supreme Court held that under that statute you have a mandatory obligation to recuse yourselves with private commitments when private commitments or campaign entanglements materially affect your independent judgment if you cast a vote for no today without full disclosure or recusal we will use the Kerrigan president to strip that vote away in district court We are not just looking for a policy disagreement. We are looking at an unconditional threat to our public safety, our legal process, and our water table. That's why I put those three strict legal realities into this office record today, this official record today. Commissioners, do not sell out Pahrump for the developers' empty promises. Do not tie the hands of the incoming board.

Voice D3hear it at 4:33:57

Thank you. Thank

Voice I3hear it at 4:33:58

Do you the right thing. Listen to the five.

Voice D3hear it at 4:33:59

ma'am. Thank you.

Voice Ahear it at 4:34:01

Thank you. Sorry. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 4:34:05

Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice H3hear it at 4:34:09

I have a question, though. Is the clerk here? Because I'd like to have this in the minutes.

Voice Ahear it at 4:34:22

Another break time? Five minutes.

Voice Ahear it at 4:34:45

I think we're ready. Come on down, sir.

Voice Dhear it at 4:34:49

Here, our caller is ready to speak.

Voice Ahear it at 4:34:51

Oh, that's right. Go ahead. Sorry.

Voice E3hear it at 4:34:54

Hi, this is Mark Russo, R-U-S-S-O. Can you hear me?

Voice Ahear it at 4:35:00

Yeah, go ahead, sir.

Voice E3hear it at 4:35:03

Okay, I just wanted to be on the record as a hard no for the data center as we moved out here for The peace and quiet that's out here, you kind of want to keep it that way. That's all I've got to say. Thank you.

Voice Ghear it at 4:35:14

Thank you, sir. Come on down in front, please.

Voice E3hear it at 4:35:21

William Lovegren, L-O-V-E-G-R-E-N. I have a question for you, commissioners. Have you guys talked to your sheriffs or your fire department in regards to this? Do you know what their capabilities are? I just asked Scott Lewis just before when you took the break, he's got a 75-foot ladder. If your buildings are 75-foot, he's not going to be able to get up to the top of that. I don't care how close you park it. The other thing is, is I'm a hard no in regards to this data center as well. The problem is, is I'm not against improvements. But I'm against what's going on here. Maybe if you go into one of these grocery stores and you go into their compressor room, you're going to hear how loud it is. And that's what's going to happen is going to echo through there. I used to work for a grocery chain. I was in the yard for eight to ten hours a day. And the compressors and everything that was on that building, you heard run and run. They didn't have homes that were that close to those things for that reason. It was all industrial and pushed away so no one had it. You've got more homes going over there that you just approved. They're building right now off of Haven Ranch. That's going to be up there. They've got this sewer that's tied in. Okay, there's a lot of things that are going on here. You've got homes that are over there by Red Rock Builder Sign there. And that's going to be a problem too because they're going to be close to those compressors and everything else. I don't care if you put blankets or whatever around them, they're going to deteriorate and they're going to start humming and get louder and louder. The problem is that this closed loop system and everything else is not, you're going to have all these chemicals and everything else. Where are you going to put this stuff? Do you have a sewage treatment plant that's going to be able to take care of these because you can't put it in a rib because the rib is just going to percolate down, go into the ground and get into the water system. Your other problems that you're going to have is that you have with everything going on. He talked about the Hoover Dam. Well, who runs the Hoover Dam? Department of Water and Power in L.A.

Voice F3hear it at 4:37:37

They're the ones that run that. They're the ones that have been upkeeping on that. So you've got stuff from California that's taking care of this. Right now you have a water crisis with the dam, okay? Is that going to get better? No, because the water is going down to other places. But with that being said, you want to talk about, oh, we're going to get money for schools and everything else, okay? I am.

Voice E3hear it at 4:38:02

I homeschool my child because the problem with the schools, they were having issues with them. So I took her out. I homeschooled. I don't get money from the county or anything else.

Voice Ahear it at 4:38:15

Thank you, sir. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 4:38:18

We do need to take a tech break, granting our live feed just went down.

Voice Ahear it at 4:38:24

How long? 30 minutes?

Voice Ahear it at 4:38:27

No. Two minutes.

Voice Ahear it at 4:38:39

Yeah, five minutes.

Voice Khear it at 4:38:41

Five minutes left.

Voice Ahear it at 4:38:41

Twelve after. Oh, shit, don't break that. Let's continue on. Come on down, ma'am.

Voice Ghear it at 4:39:07

Hi, I'm Judy Strait, S-T-R-A-I-T, like George. I'm from Texas. But the thing I want to talk about today is something different from what we've talked about. I worked at NASA and when I worked at NASA we developed the cell phone. We talked to the moon. I worked on designing refineries, electrical design around the world with refineries and I grew up next to Texas City so I know what the fumes are like and what they can do to your health. So I'm a curious person. So I was wondering why do we need all these data centers? Come to find out. So we can stay ahead of China with their AI weapons. That's all I can do. That's it. Thank you.

Voice Ahear it at 4:40:13

Thank you. Come on down in front, please.

Voice Fhear it at 4:40:25

Hi there. Mike Fender, F-E-N-D-E-R, just like on a car. I got an idea for you. A Tonopah solar project just went filed chapter 11 recently, went bankrupt, and was bought by a company out of Texas. I'm not going to tell you how much for, but they owed over $700 million on a $2 billion loan. Build that solar project, formerly called Crescent Dunes, there in Tonopah. This outfit came in and bought it for $7 million. You now have the infrastructure to put data centers. You have the electricity there. You got the groundwork already there. It's all in place. All you got to do is tear down the other stuff and you got a place to put your data center. Now, what I did find out was when this solar company came online originally called Crescent Dunes, they had made a deal with the county. They were supposed to get $3 million a year. Well, let's hope maybe you can get some of your money back after they've been going bankrupt. So here I brought their Chapter 11 summary for the county to read. I found it on the Internet. Please give that to Mr. Wagner. Okay, you might want to take a look at that, but like I said, the infrastructure is there, all you got to do is work a deal with the company out of Texas, and that outfit is called the Sons of Liberty. How about that, you have a name for you? Anyway, think about that. Thank you.

Voice Ahear it at 4:42:00

Thank you. Mr. Fender, Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 4:42:04

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ahear it at 4:42:15

Can you hear me?

Voice Bhear it at 4:42:15

Yep, go ahead, sir. He can't. Can you spell your last name for the record, please?

Voice Dhear it at 4:42:29

The call dropped.

Voice Bhear it at 4:42:30

Come on down, sir.

Voice J3hear it at 4:42:36

Stephen Pittman, P-I-T-M-A-N. And in case anybody cares, right now, without me talking, that's 60 dB worth of noise, okay? So they're saying it's going to be 50 or so. We'll see. A couple of points. Diesel generators produce a lot of smoke. My lungs are trashed courtesy of Desert Storm. from breathing that sort of stuff for months at a time. Current data centers use

Voice Ghear it at 4:42:58

Diesel generators produce a lot of smoke. My lungs are trashed courtesy of Desert Storm from breathing that sort of stuff for months at a time. Current data centers use computers, racks and racks of computers with transistor to transistor logic. The next generation is something called quantum computing. It's going to be many times faster than what's available now, generate a lot less heat, use a lot less energy, and take up a lot less space. So if this data center was operational today, it'd be obsolete in four to five years. So the built-in obsolescence of this particular plan is already here. And when I'm talking loudly, that's 90 dB.

Voice Ahear it at 4:43:59

Thank you, sir. Come on down and for real, please.

Voice Ghear it at 4:44:05

Reggie Federal, F as in Frank, E-D-R-O.

Voice Fhear it at 4:44:14

huge item for you guys okay I just want to remind everyone that under NRS 281A.420 any commissioner with a financial interest our private commitment related to this must disclose that conflict and refrain from voting I'm a Christian I firmly believe what the Bible says in James 4.17, if anyone, I repeat, if anyone knows the good they ought to do and don't do it, it's a sin for them. Please remember that. Please.

Voice Bhear it at 4:45:00

Thank you, sir. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 4:45:03

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Fhear it at 4:45:12

I'm sorry I've been having trouble with my phone today, but I appreciate the time to speak. It's Vince, the V-I-N-C-E. Just in noting the main points of observation of this meeting is that it doesn't seem to be that it's a Republican form of government. It seems to be somewhat of a democracy in action here. Unfortunately, a hundred years ago or so.

Voice K3hear it at 4:45:37

Most of our local community government jurisdictions have taken on the municipality of the federal government, and it's kind of played down to where we the people have not had much to say in association with it. You've been passing repugnant statutes, ordinances, and other rules that are repugnant to the Constitution, and it goes against we the people and our rights. So the one thing that I would recommend is that people needs to read up and they need to understand that Republican inform means that it's of the people, by the people and for the people. And it's obvious that this administrative law process and this administrative process is none of that. It is not Republican inform. Everybody needs to be educated and there is no immunity for unofficial acts. So you guys do have a couple of the points that are well noted that if these people continue to be tyrannical against you, you do have remedy because you have to go to your local sheriff and you have to then instill upon that sheriff that he stay as a constitutional sheriff and demand that you convene a grand jury because you will have a mechanism against this. This is an administrative law process. It's a municipality of the. of the federal government and it's all because of money you need to take back local control and you will have a say but currently you don't it is not republican informed president trump has currently put in place the National Security Presidential Memorandum, and it's NSPM 7, and they will be watching this, and they will not be approving it. This is an Antifa move against you, the people. They are demanding that you acquiesce. I say that you continue to fight back and push back. You have remedy. Good luck.

Voice Bhear it at 4:47:29

Thank you, sir. Come on down and front, please.

Voice Fhear it at 4:47:36

Ron Mortonson, M-O-R-T-I-N-S-O-N. First, I want to congratulate you folks for actually putting agenda item six up first. I never, ever, ever expected that to happen. But having said that, the water study that's supposed to be coming out in 2027, I would refer to that as the science. And the push to get this data center up and going before the science gets here, I would refer to as politics, because by the time the water study comes out, you won't have the votes to push the data center forward. Thank you.

Voice Ahear it at 4:48:12

Thank you. Sam, anybody on the phone, please.

Voice Dhear it at 4:48:16

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice K3hear it at 4:48:23

Hello, Commissioner Michael David Garcia, G-A-R-C-I-A. Does my volume sound okay?

Voice Ahear it at 4:48:29

It's perfect, sir.

Voice K3hear it at 4:48:32

All right, all right, all right. I'll try to lead off with some thanks and praise to keep it sweet for you. But anyhow, I would like to know, you know, scripture seems to be okay, so I want to start off with Matthew 16, 26. And maybe come over the top with Matthew 19 26 and finally finish it off with the revelations of Psalm 109. And I want to remind each and every one of y'all that raised your hand and took an oath that there is no due process without authority. So there are some speakers that are allowed to talk about administrative law. There are some speakers that are allowed to talk about state and federal guidelines, so I'm just a little confused on, you know, the only other topic is fraud, extortion, and official oppression. You know, we see what y'all do to the First Amendment when it comes to DOCC 7.52 and the weaponization. The only thing I'm asking is the right to address, readdress, and remonstrance if we can't get together on the First Amendment. The Fourth Amendment. Do we really need a DA that can price check it? Why don't we play devil's advocate? You know, there's a township in New Jersey that's getting sued for banning data centers for 300 million. And the case is evolving around the expression of speech. So I ask you again, what kind of administrative law can supersede the laws of freedom? Mr. DA, Mr. Sheriff, commissioners, how about the new county manager that likes to quote constitutionality? We've always been able to praise the speakers, but about Tim Sutton, I can testify he let me down as a school board trustee, as a county manager. He doesn't recognize parental rights, free speech, the Fourth Amendment, mis-imprisonment of persons. He's a fraud, and anybody that would have him really needs to reevaluate. Thank y'all.

Voice Ahear it at 4:50:34

Thank you, sir. Come on down and front, please.

Voice L3hear it at 4:50:39

Leah Aldridge, ALD, RID, GE. Well, I got to hand it to my prompt peeps back here. I've lived in this town for two decades. I've never seen a turnout like this for public comment. It's amazing. Thanks, guys. Anyway, I want to echo what the gentleman that spoke before me said about his lungs being trashed. For those of you who know me, I'm just an old retired rock and roll guitar player, okay? And thanks to USO tours I did in Kosovo, Kuwait, Iraq, I was exposed to chemicals they didn't tell us about. So for health reasons alone, I totally support a ban on data centers anywhere in this area. And also, thanks to whistleblowers, I now know that in about four or five years, these AI debtors are going to be obsolete because what's coming next? Quantum computers. If you haven't looked into that, look it up. These things, this is a $2 trillion bubble that's going to go up and explode and the people at the top, they'll get their money. We'll be left with the mess to clean up. So quantum computers, it's coming. If you haven't heard about that, look it up, please. Thank you guys for your time.

Voice Ahear it at 4:51:50

Thank you. Sam, anybody on the phone, please.

Voice Dhear it at 4:51:55

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice K3hear it at 4:52:01

Josh Holland. Well, let's start with I'm opposed to Can the event.

Voice Ahear it at 4:52:05

you spell it for the record? I'm sorry, the last name.

Voice M3hear it at 4:52:09

Josh Hall, H-A-L-L.

Voice M3hear it at 4:52:12

When we say data centers, what do you think of data, right? It's really that simple. Data centers collect, process, and store enormous amount of data. Every one of us in this room, including your baby's children, are in one somewhere. Your text messages, browsing history, photos in iCloud, emails, location history, online purchases, scrolling habits, phone records, etc. are all in these data centers, and that's worth billions to these brokers. and data center owners. Think about flock. The name itself implies they are watching the flock. That's us. Where do you think the surveillance videos about police body cam footage ends up? Data centers. Law enforcement can access them, investigate crimes, and sometimes use it for personal reasons, as we all know, as news reports have shown. Some data can reconstruct where you've been, where you shop, the routes you drive, and the patterns of your daily life. It echoes the minority report movie to me. Modern tech can reveal an extraordinary amount about us. Personal data is just by analyzing habits, hence AI is the tool to do that. That information is also worth billions to many organizations. We tell ourselves it's acceptable for public safety, but history shows governments aren't immune to abusing power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Data centers are not new. They've been around for decades. We have approximately 5,000 data centers and approximately 300 to 500 in progress and planning and which includes the man's data center. China has approximately 500. That makes no sense to me on why we need so many, so many, sorry my computer paused a second, so many data centers. Now let's see here. If you can explain it, I'm all ears. Maybe data is the new oil. Now also to the switch data center in Las Vegas, they were pretty smart. They built theirs right next to the 215 so they could blurt out the noise. That's pretty smart. That kind of means they've been doing this for a while. I recommend everyone go drive down Mann, see how many people hear the racetrack from that location where they want to put the data center. Imagine all the people around the Mann's data center when the cooling system is on 24-7, especially in the hot desert at the least. We get a break when the racers stop racing, and I can also smell the race fuel in the air in the mornings when they race. I live over here in Burst and Ranch, so I can tell you I'm not the only one that does. Now It does bring jobs, but it's very small and it's temporary. The employees, the utility companies, they work, they get the job done, they go home. The only people that really benefit are the contract owners. Maybe if you're a good boy, you get a little kickback or a little bonus. But at the end of the day, they profit, not us. Taxes, let's be honest, we don't know where all this tax money is going,

Voice Bhear it at 4:55:02

do Thank you, thank you sir, I apologize but thank you, come on down.

Voice K3hear it at 4:55:10

Name is Kevin Ritchie, R-I-T-C-H-I-E. I've been to a few of these meetings and it's very apparent that y'all have not done your research. You have not seen what's going on across this country. I used to work, actually I ran the structural department for one of the largest nuclear reactor companies in the world.

Voice Fhear it at 4:55:38

And because of an NDA, which all are very aware of, because that's why this whole project has not been transparent, y'all need to listen to these people. I have seen the environmental impact. That's why I left a very well-paying job, because I could not.

Voice N3hear it at 4:56:05

One of the other things is your building department is not qualified to handle projects like this. And how do I know? I've done two projects since I've been here. I have yet to have a final inspection and it's going on three years. I had another project done. The inspector came out. I was cleaning up. He walked around, looked around. Okay, everything looks good. I was on the phone with your department. Improper inspection. They tried to blow me off until they found out who I was and my other residents. The contractor was on the phone with me within three minutes. And believe me, by the time he showed up, he changed his tone of voice. And what happened? They went through and found four deficiencies. So for the people of this community, you are not qualified and certified to handle a project like this. You're going to have to bring in an outside independent company to oversee this project. Now, I don't know if this is correct or not. It's just what I've been told. But the building department is contracted out and the company is in California. Your head guy couldn't even tell me how to do something. I had to explain it to him. And when the inspector came out, he goes, oh, everything looks good. No, it's not. It's not the code. What do you mean? I knew what was going to happen. I already had the code out and highlighted. The killing department failed to follow up.

Voice Bhear it at 4:58:14

Thank you, sir. I apologize. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 4:58:17

are you going to be on the phone?

Voice Dhear it at 4:58:19

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice P3hear it at 4:58:29

Hi, my name is Kenya Martin, my last name is M-A-R-T-I-N, and I'm a lifelong resident of Pahrump, and I'm opposed to bringing data centers to our community because of the potential impacts on our environment, our public health, and our quality of life. We've heard claims that these projects will increase property values, but common sense says otherwise. When you place a massive industrial facility next to neighborhoods, one with constant noise, heavy electrical infrastructure, increased traffic and significant resource demands, it doesn't make nearby homes more desirable and makes them harder to sell. I also think it's important to consider who is speaking in favor of this project, clearly obviously the developers and everyone associated with them. And Sean Alessandro, who spoke earlier, isn't a member of our community. He is the CEO of Gigawatt Development and is directly involved in this project. Of course he supports it and his companies stand to make a tremendous amount of money if approved. If this project is truly as safe and beneficial as we're being told, then I have a simple challenge. I say build it, but all involved agree to live next door to it for the next 30 years. The people making the decisions and the profits should be just as willing to live with the long-term impacts as the residents they're asking to accept them, and obviously they won't. So we can have growth without data centers. These do not go hand in hand. Growth and data centers do not need to go together. For these reasons, I fully support the proposed ban on data centers in Knight County. Pahrump deserves growth that fits our community and protects us. So I urge our commissioners to serve our town and protect us. And I want to thank Pahrump for standing up and I'm very proud of my community. Thank you.

Voice M3hear it at 5:00:11

Thank you ma'am. Come on down

Voice L3hear it at 5:00:17

Hey now, I live in your district. Okay,

Voice Ahear it at 5:00:21

had a long day.

Voice L3hear it at 5:00:22

L-A-P-O-I-N-T-E, couple of things. The big, my biggest concern right now is the infrastructure we already have. We have two schools in that area. We have Burson Ranch, Artesia, Mountain Falls. We can't pick those up and move 'em.

Voice Q3hear it at 5:00:41

So I think we have to consider that first, and that's not just this data center. That's any data center that goes in countywide. We have to look at what we already have and consider those people. Second thing is I sent each of you, except for Mr. Conan, because I don't have Commissioner Koenig's number in my phone, but an article. That hit the news last night about Governor Abbott from Texas, and he just said, whoa, we're going to stop for a year. No data center approvals. There's nothing wrong with taking things slow. There's nothing wrong with asking questions, and I just think that's where we're at. I'd like to thank each of you for your perseverance today. Thanks.

Voice Ahear it at 5:01:31

Thanks, Kate. Come on down, sir.

Voice K3hear it at 5:01:38

Good afternoon. I'm Darren King, KNGE. I came here this morning neither for or against these data centers. I realize in our world today that they are necessary. Without them there'd be no Netflix, no email, phones, all that. And I've sat here all day.

Voice R3hear it at 5:01:58

um listening to complaints, concerns, fears, fear mongering, mixed numbers. Nothing is cohesive in any way from what I've heard so far, and it seems to me that this ban is a knee-jerk reaction to try to stop something that we're scared of, that we don't know enough about. I've heard today that, you know, that there are studies that are coming out that we don't have the information to. So if without that information, if you guys can't make a decision to approve it, it seems to me that without that information it wouldn't, you wouldn't be able to intelligently deny a project either. much less ban something without all the knowledge. To permanently ban something and not know why you're actually really banning it seems completely irresponsible. You have a moratorium...

Voice S3hear it at 5:02:43

deny a project either, much less ban something without all the knowledge. To permanently ban something and not know why you're actually really banning it seems completely irresponsible. You have a moratorium in place, you're there waiting for the information, how do you ban something that you don't know about? It seems like a complete this justice to all of the people whether they're for it whether they're against it whatever that case may be whichever way you are for or against it really doesn't matter to me you know I just want to see what's best for our town and for our county and for our resources so that it's an informed decision and not just a knee-jerk reaction because as history shows those never work out well for us thank you

Voice Ahear it at 5:03:33

Thank you, sir. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 5:03:36

Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ahear it at 5:03:49

Okay, come on down to prompt then. Is she there?

Voice Ahear it at 5:04:03

You're up. I think we lost her.

Voice Ghear it at 5:04:07

My name is Tony Holm, H-O-L-M, and I used to live in Mountain Falls. Recently I moved. The reason we moved, it's multifaceted, but one of them dealt with we had an expectation that data centers were coming here. The thing that ticked us off was the large capacity lines that greatly exceeded anything that's available in this valley.

Voice Bhear it at 5:04:31

and seem to be even greater than what was required if you had a bunch of solar farms up and down the highway. So to make a long story short, the reason I decided to come up, and I'm sorry I'm torturing everybody because this is way too long, but I actually noticed no one said that they actually lived next to a data center, but I did when I lived in Virginia.

Voice Ghear it at 5:04:54

In fact, we didn't realize what a problem it would be. It was very small. Possibly about six times this building and only two stories. It used to be an SAIC facility and it was sold to a data center.

Voice T3hear it at 5:05:10

I lived across the street from it. They got buy-in from us. They even had us name the street. I won the contest. We called it Quantum Drive. Anybody that wants to look this up, it's in Tyson's Corner, McLean, Virginia area. Well, I can tell you from experience, we didn't understand what was happening at first. For example, the large specks of black soot on our patio out back on the other side of the house farthest away from the data center. We thought it was coming from Gallows Road, which is a major artery in northern Virginia. We were wrong, and later on it became really clear when they got all six of their diesel generators in. The noise was unbearable in my den and I was nauseous. I didn't understand at first why I was nauseous, but eventually I realized it was the fumes from the diesel generators, which is amazing because, you know, in Virginia we have plenty of power, especially in that area because it powers the military industrial complex that makes Northern Virginia's real estate so expensive. So, and we didn't understand any of that. Until about a month before we moved, and my plan for many years was to move to Pahrump. I went to UNLV and I knew how great it was in the 80s, and I missed that kind of rural lifestyle and we came here. But honestly, if we had not already programmed that into our plans, we would have left that area as quickly as possible because it was unlivable.

Voice Ahear it at 5:06:48

Thank you, Sam. Anybody? Break time. Sam, we got anybody on the phone, please.

Voice Dhear it at 5:06:56

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice U3hear it at 5:07:03

Good afternoon, almost evening. This is Carolyn Allen. I'm the Amargossa Valley Town Board Chair. I'm here for Amarosa Valley and my surrounding areas including Beatty and Crystal which we work closely with. They have no local town board and in this legislation it's they're covered but Amarosa is not and I'm okay with that. So I'm going to speak out for them as well. Amarosa is not included like I said in this legislation and that's fine. Why? Because 15 of the 18 projects so far are on public land. There is something called federal supremacy and land use. And this will work for us at Crystal and Beatty as well because most of these projects are on public land. Intergovernmental immunity which protects the federal and state government from local law. organizations. It's simply stated that federal agencies and states don't have to follow and can override whatever we want or look at what we want and don't want. Or for that matter my county. That's why these powerful companies are coming in under the radar without any transparency. And I need to say this. Because we're, even the local elected boards are in the same boat. Make no mistake, it's not the commissioners or the town boards that got us in this mess and to this point. Our governor practically begged these powerful companies with billions of dollars, gave them 55% tax abatement, solar 75% tax abatement on data centers. Come here, come, you know, we need the money, we need this. We have cheap land, radiated sun, government subsidies. When we put a moratorium in and requested Governor Lombardo to cut back on the amount of land in Amargosa Valley that was available for these projects, his response was, no way, Nevada has to open this up to meet our goals. This is why Amargosa has been meeting with these developers since before and during the moratorium. We understood that we're going to get these projects, but to what degree could be up to us. Amargosa, Baney, and Crystal need to be sitting at a table to save our community. We have been fighting the good fight along with these powerful companies that knew we were stuck because it's federal land. We are fighting higher government, big money, and powerful entities, but we are fighting this the wrong way, at the wrong level. They snuck in under the radar. And that's what we're seeing at the commission. We're seeing it in the towns with different names for these projects and changing them midstream. We just 86 they or shamed a data center on an 8,000 acre project in

Voice U3hear it at 5:10:07

Valley on the 95.

Voice Ahear it at 5:10:08

Thank you. Thank you very much. Come on down, sir. Oh, it's not there. The

Voice T3hear it at 5:10:20

I turn it on?

Voice T3hear it at 5:10:21

my name is Ron Richardson, R-I-C-H-A-R-D-S-O-N, retired engineer of 35 years, been a homeowner since 93, now I'm retired in Ovations, Mountain Falls and District 5. I'm not going to rehash everything we've said, I guess I'm just going to say that there's a time and a place for everything. I don't believe we have the information.

Voice Fhear it at 5:10:44

available at this point in time to be accelerating this work getting done. You're seeing the transformers, you're seeing all the work getting done. Work is progressing even though there's a moratorium in place. Things are still progressing that have to do with the data center. I think we need to step back, get the water study done, get all the information required so you can make an informed decision. Secondly,

Voice T3hear it at 5:11:10

There's this is not an appropriate place. I mean, you heard from the gentleman over here who lived right next to a data center That's being proposed to be built right across from the largest housing development in this Valley right evasions Mountain Falls burst in a ranch Why in the heck would you want to put that next to a residential community? There are if it has to go through and doesn't ever get approved There ought to be a better place and right across from all those homes. It doesn't make sense

Voice S3hear it at 5:11:38

It's my two cents. Thank

Voice S3hear it at 5:11:39

you very much.

Voice Ahear it at 5:11:39

you, sir, for that. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?

Voice Dhear it at 5:11:42

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Fhear it at 5:11:49

I'm in Louis, L-E-W-I-S. Well, the greatest cluster cluck yet is hitting us. And, you know, for the people that say, oh, it's conspiracy theories, I say, well, we're going to need some new ones.

Voice U3hear it at 5:12:05

Because most of the old ones came true. And I see what we really should focus on here, and this is directed to Commissioner Van De Koonze, the law firm that's going on by these developers. They're suing counties when they put bans on, and I'm for a ban if it's done smart and correctly so they don't lawfare us.

Voice V3hear it at 5:12:26

into submission 300 million dollar lawsuits that's something that really needs to be worked on and Commissioner Bain had some very very good points so I just want to make it quick and say thank you Commissioner Bain thank you Bruce Chabot I think you're just really doing a great job I know a lot of people giving Deborah and we're on a hard time I did leave a message for John Koenig, a couple of them, didn't hear back. I think that they're going to surprise a lot of people in their vote today, and they're going to stand up for the people. But, and again, if you ask John Koenig, he'll tell you, I'm wrong about everything. Anyway, thank you for not supporting data centers and heading off a huge lawsuit. Thank you.

Voice Ahear it at 5:13:15

Thanks, Herm. Anybody else see him?

Voice Dhear it at 5:13:17

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice U3hear it at 5:13:24

Yes, Patricia Robb, R-O-B-B. I don't envy you guys with what you've got going on here. I know you're in a tough situation, position. But earlier I heard the town manager from Round Mountain speaking saying they wouldn't mind having a data center up there. It would benefit the county still if it was up there. Why not move it up there since there's so much opposition down here and people want to leave everything rural. So I'm just thinking if he's proposed an offer, why not take him up on it and it will. It will still benefit the county, and it will also benefit Brown Mountain. Just a suggestion, thought I would say something. Thank you.

Voice Ahear it at 5:14:10

Thanks, Patricia. Sam, what do you think? Any more?

Voice Ahear it at 5:14:16

All right, we're going to close public comment. That's the longest thing I've seen. Oh, my God. No, we're going to try to finish. All right. I don't want to have books. Go to what, where are we at? Lunch time. Lunch time.

Voice Ahear it at 5:14:35

Now we're leaving. We're going to finish. Commissioner Jabour, you want to start? I'm sorry, Ian, start. Thank you, chair.

Voice Ahear it at 5:14:47

Is he or me? Commissioner Bain has the floor. Yep. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 5:14:51

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am really going to try to make this quick. Six years ago I came to this town and stood in the corner of 372 and 160 not as a commissioner, not even as a resident, but as a concerned citizen protesting the mask mandate of all things. And today in the news we're finding out that all the assurances, facts, and all the science we were told by the United States government six years ago about masks and vaccines were maybe not true after all. Back then the federal government told us to trust the facts. Get the vaccine today. Federal government says trust the facts, get a data center. And the local government at that time assured us they could make the coronavirus safe through legislation and mandates. Today the local government assures us they can make data centers safe through legislation. And now some of us under the age of 50, which are not too many in this room, might understand why Ronald Reagan used to say, there you go again. The most important point in this debate is this. There is a big difference between opposing data centers and opposing data centers in Pahrump. And this difference is as significant as believing an army recruit should run two miles under 16 minutes. I did it in 1230, by the way. And a retired veteran in his 80s should run two miles in under 16 minutes because we have a fragile community where water is in question and temperatures are high. The population cannot afford inconsistencies in electric rates or service or other potential problems brought by data centers. We're isolated. Most of the time we have 14 firefighter paramedics on duty around that and the closest help is an hour or so away. Money from data centers won't help hire firefighters because as we sit here today we have unfilled positions. The potential dangers of data centers are given in this bill and I won't recite them here, but these are more of a problem here in Pahrump than anywhere else and these objections in this bill are defensible in court. This is necessary because everything else is ignored. A ban is necessary because everything else is ignored. We currently have a moratorium which is a temporary ban on data centers but you'd never guess it. Data center planning is moving forward really aggressively in defiance of the county's temporary ban. The temporary ban has no end date, so it isn't temporary, and it's not much of a ban because there's active and aggressive data center planning going on all over town. It's a lot like grape nuts. It's not grape, and it's not nuts. This ban is the only way to stop data center activity in Pahrump until the new board is sworn in in January and they're welcome to reverse it if they want. I've heard comments from people saying, well, they'll just put in Clark County across the line or BLM. I remember sitting down over there with the chief of the BLM police, very nice guy, told me personally that if any law was passed in Nye County, his understanding is that be LMS to observe the law now there are rules that are so complicated that I doubt all of that we have an army of non-attorneys who are self-professed experts in constitutional law and I doubt that they understand the intricacies but even intricacies can be challenged in court by good attorneys and I'd be prepared to fund those good attorneys be prepared to find them as well And if they could put a data center in Clark County, then why haven't they already? It would certainly be much more easy than this with Clark County Boards already passing data centers time after time. Though to use this excuse is like arguing that locking the doors in your car is pointless because people could really get in if they want to. To take federal land as a process, and that process is controlled by Congress. It's a lot easier to convince us than it is to convince them probably. But again, no one, including me, really understands that process in this room. A few months ago, we were surprised by a $13 million budget error. I don't want any more surprises. A new county bill is a risk of surprise. And waiting around for the government to make data centers safe through legislation is just not an option. Will the legislation promise electric bills won't go up because of this? And finally, the ban is the only way to give the next session of this board the voice it deserves, something this big being put in a district of a commission that's leaving at the end of the year. shouldn't be passed in a lame duck session that people are only up here for four months. A yes vote on this bill is the only way to give the new commission in January the right to control the process. A yes vote allows this debate to move to January that's just four months away. A no vote on this bill is a green light to continue to rapidly and recklessly move data center development forward in Pahrump. And if this new board in January would like to repeal the ban, they may do so. And just quickly, just I wanted to mention there were some things thrown out about how much money this might bring. My wife grew up in a place called Morris, Illinois, which was very south. I would not consider it a suburb of Chicago. I was a north side kid. But I looked at Braidwood. Her father lived in Braidwood, and Braidwood has a nuclear power plant there. And I remember they have a really nice 4th of July fireworks. That's what they say. How is it so nice? There's 6,000 people in this town. Well, the power plant pays for it. I thought to myself, this is like 2012 or something, 2011. Wow. So that's what they get for having the power plant and really nice 4th of July fireworks, which is great. But $26 million to $28 million property tax is what Braywood gets. The most notable. commercial establishment I've seen many times is called the Stumble Inn. It is a bar. You can imagine what goes on there and probably more of other stuff than drinking going on at the old Stumble Inn, which I think was shut down by police possibly. I looked at the school rating. 17% passed at least one AP exam, so it's doing wonders for the schools in Braidwood. In 2005, December 16th, the Illinois EPA issued a violation notice to Exelon, which is the manager of the nuclear power plant, for the release of something called VB3 contaminant levels exceeded groundwater standards. So my wife's father used to have giant barrels of water delivered to his door because of this. And that was from 88, put in in 1988, and that was 2005. 1990, 3,500 residents. Today, about 6,100 residents. And if you go there now, you're not going to want to move there, I promise you that. Neighboring Manuka went from 1,500 to over 12,000. So I just wanted to make the point that... Maybe people, someone mentioned comparables or looking at comparable situations. Data centers are so new, I don't think we have a comparable data center because it hasn't been 20 years of data centers. They don't exist like solar panels on your house. One of these days you're going to find that after you hit that 20-year, 30-year mark, mortgage companies don't want to pay for something that's expired life. Many people, I get surprised, I think, at about 10 years on that one. And finally, I just want to make an interesting point. 3,416 people have signed this petition to ban data centers. 3,416 people have signed this petition to ban data centers. And it's interesting because... it 3,539 that's about a hundred and twenty something more people if you took all the people who voted for any Commissioner any one of the ones up anybody in the other side any any person who cast a vote for any Commissioner In this town, 3,539. 3,416 have signed this petition to ban. So if you want numbers on people saying, well, there's not a lot of people, how about every single person who voted for anybody for the position of commissioner in Nye County almost equals the number of people who don't want a data center, want to ban it. So I'd like to stand with these 3,416 people. So if you want numbers on people saying, well, there's not a lot of people, how about every single person who voted for anybody for the position of commissioner in Nye County almost equals a number of people who don't want a data center and want to ban it. So I'd like to stand with these 3,416 people, and I certainly hope my colleagues will join me. And yes, vote on the ban. And I will, when I make, I will make some changes when I make the motion, whenever we're ready, and that the changes essentially are going to be 162 water basin, which protects Pahrump, and then the unincorporated areas which do not have an elected governing board where people from the public elect. So that would protect us all the way up. Tonopah, Round Mountain, I think Gabs. I don't know these areas very well. It's not my district, but this is because those people up there say they want local control, and who am I? I'm a good Republican. Of course I'm going to give them local control, and it's about three hours away. So I think if you went three hours east, you'd probably run into about 12 data centres, so it didn't seem too harmful in perspective. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for that. Commissioner Gerber.

Voice Ghear it at 5:23:36

Chair, I was going to out to hear from the county manager because I know the county manager is going to give us some other information but I'll I'll take the floor at this time so thank you and thank you Commissioner Bain and I want to thank all of the people that are present and on the phone and watching two weeks ago

Voice Ahear it at 5:24:04

Two Saturdays ago, we had a forum at the chambers where you're all sitting. Commissioner Bain and I co-sponsored that forum. The DA was there, the fire chief, the sheriff, the deputies, and many people. And I want to thank them very much because for the most part, it was a great.

Voice Ghear it at 5:24:30

forum great information and as it is today great information and as soon as this is over this item I promise the chair is going to call for for a break and we'll be able to get the flock out of here

Voice W3hear it at 5:24:59

A few things that were mentioned is, yes, I was asked because I had asked to go and tour a data center. But one of the data centers that it was offered to me to tour, and not by Russ Meats, I know that his name keeps coming up. was from somebody else. And when they gave me the information because they needed a public official to initiate the tour with the facility, and I got that information, I very quickly said, you know what, I think everybody in the chambers is old enough to remember what a mimeograph machine is. versus a computer and I didn't want to go and revisit a mimeograph machine or a fax machine. I want to know what the technology is today and we keep getting different information of what it actually is going to require. So for the record Two Saturdays ago, I was asked in chambers with the forum and we were asked today and I don't mind because I know that many of you have looked me up. I have not signed an NDA. I have no interest. I have no former ex-wife or spouse that has any interest in this project. But please, let's keep in mind, we're not voting for this project. Today's agendized item is for a ban. It's not even for a moratorium, a moratorium that's in place. And so we do need independent review for throughout the county. I don't think I know that we've put the cart before the horse and we need to hire professionals to get all of the answers to our questions. If you have a toothache, you don't go to the veterinarian, you go to a dentist. And we have data centers before us. We haven't done a feasibility study. We need to go to the professionals for this information. We've asked for a water study. We don't have the water study. In two days, August 6th at 10 a.m. in chambers, the Nye County Water Governing Board, the Water District will be meeting and will be asking hard questions again, even though this primarily was before them a few months ago. And they didn't have enough information regarding water. We hear about water consumption, the noise, wastewater contamination, traffic, et cetera. And we don't have all of those answers. I want to read just a few things that, because I've been taking... Copious notes as I know you watch me. I have to compare with the clerk because our numbers were a little different. We haven't done enough research. Property owners have rights. We're all guilty. This should not be our decision. I'm not violating your rights. We haven't had much to say as a community as community residents. Corruption and it stinks. And how do you ban when you don't know anything about it? And the governor has begged these companies to come in. We need absolute aggressive water management. We need to hear from the water board. Are we not interested in what they have to say? This is a water district. These districts and boards are our eyes and ears throughout the county. Otherwise, why do we have them in place? We have them in place because we have the third largest county in the United States, and we need them to be our eyes and ears and to help advise and help give us more information. And so what we're being asked for on this agendized item is to give Basin 162 a kiss with restrictions in Karump. And then as we go, and I heard Commissioner Bain, I know that he mentioned there will be some restrictions, modifications, some adjustments, some amendments, but we're being asked to kiss Basin 162 and also impregnate the entire county. When we heard from two different... elected town boards and by the way there is no incorporated town throughout the county as mentioned as we have incorporated no we have advisory boards in Belmont we have one in current we have one in gaps and within their jurisdiction and their boundaries they speak for the people of their communities And not for us to make those decisions to shove down their throat, especially with such an important item as this in the five and a half years that I have been seated and moving to Pahrump in 1994. This is the first time that I have seen such great community activity. love for where they live and I commend you I appreciate it because I also have property throughout the county so the way this is written and I'll be happy to listen to after the other commissioners speak to the amendments and adjustments that Commissioner Bain is proposing but but I'm going to ask that we consider placing this on the ballot to be a vote by the people and for the people. This needs to go to ballot and not a decision by us. I'm very decisive. I can make the

Voice Khear it at 5:32:05

decision. I'm sorry, Chair. I was unable, I'm sorry, Commissioner, I was unable to hear what you were saying. There were people that were clapping. Could

Voice Ghear it at 5:32:13

you, were you at, were you saying to

Voice Bhear it at 5:32:18

And rather than go forward with this item,

Voice W3hear it at 5:32:20

Where did you lose me, Commissioner Strickland? Where did you

Voice Khear it at 5:32:25

When you said something about a ballot, what did you say after that? Something about a

Voice W3hear it at 5:32:31

said that I would absolutely want to hear from you Commissioners. I want to hear what the adjustments amendments will be from Commissioner Bain. But because of the magnitude and sophistication of this project and any project that has to do with data center is that we consider tabling this and placing it on a ballot for and to be a vote by the people and for the people. They will decide.

Voice Khear it at 5:33:05

Can you do something that I wish is the clerk with you?

Voice W3hear it at 5:33:09

Gork is here.

Voice Khear it at 5:33:11

Hard question. Can you get a ballot issue in front of the people by November?

Voice X3hear it at 5:33:17

Commissioner Nell, the cutoff date for any ballot questions to be added by the commission was on July 24th, Well, and

Voice Khear it at 5:33:23

of course it was.

Voice X3hear it at 5:33:24

we have passed that. So should we be ordered to put something on a ballot, there are two options. We can do a special election,

Voice X3hear it at 5:33:32

which would be paid for by the county. Just so you guys know, or it can wait until either the primary or the general in 28.

Voice Khear it at 5:33:44

Thank you for the clarity. Thank you, Commissioner Jabor. I did not mean to interrupt you like that. Thank you.

Voice Dhear it at 5:33:50

Thank Excuse me,

Voice Dhear it at 5:33:51

Chair. I'm so sorry to interrupt,

Voice Ahear it at 5:33:52

Thank you, but Mr.

Voice Dhear it at 5:33:52

our phones have gone down, so we need to take a break so we can call back in, please.

Voice Ahear it at 5:33:56

See, I didn't even try to do that break. All right, five minutes.

Voice Bhear it at 5:34:23

All righty. All right, we're going to start back up so we can hopefully get these good stuff out of here. Commissioner Jabor, we're still with you, I think.

Voice Ghear it at 5:34:44

Well, thank you, Chair, but I believe

Voice Ghear it at 5:34:47

that go. I had clarified.

Voice Khear it at 5:34:50

We can't hear.

Voice W3hear it at 5:34:50

that I believe

Voice Bhear it at 5:34:51

Hold on, I got to wait

Voice Khear it at 5:34:53

aren't quiet yet, Commissioner.

Voice Bhear it at 5:34:56

All right, go ahead.

Voice W3hear it at 5:35:01

that I was asked for clarification by you and Commissioner Strickland and I gave the clarification and then thanked everybody and turned it back over to you and that's when the lines went dead.

Voice Bhear it at 5:35:14

Okay, thank you for that. I think we understand your thoughts on this.

Voice Ahear it at 5:35:18

Um, Commissioner Strickland, Koenig, you guys got anything?

Voice Khear it at 5:35:23

I just want to make it perfectly clear there's been no NDA. There's no procuring interest in any way. There's no finance stuff going on here. We've not been paid. Not a single one of us has gotten a payday out of this or NDAs have not been signed. So there's a lot, a lot of too bad people want to attack so badly. But I'm really glad that everyone came because I'm telling you what, there's some good stuff in these notes. Really good stuff. So thank you for that. Thank you, Chair.

Voice Fhear it at 5:35:59

I guess the only, about the only thing I've got to say, the same thing with NDAs, I don't even know what they are, so I've never, never signed one, never seen one, but if we ever do this again, let's do a special meeting so we could do regular business at a regular meeting, because this is just. We're never going to get through an agenda today, no way, and we'll continue tomorrow, right. But I'd just like to let everyone know that threatening me doesn't change my vote. So you want to really threaten me, I'll see you outside, but I'm 84, so you'll go to jail.

Voice Ahear it at 5:36:46

I also have never been asked or signed any NDA for anything to do with any of this, nor have I been paid anything, which is why I'm still in debt. So, yeah, I don't really have anything else. I don't, people do not know how I was going to vote at all. So, yeah.

Voice W3hear it at 5:37:10

you didn't ask anybody if they wanted to go outside.

Voice Bhear it at 5:37:13

No, I'm a lover, not a fighter. Go ahead, manager.

Voice Ahear it at 5:37:17

The only thing I was going to say is this is in a complete opposite direction of what the instruction was a couple of months ago. We have been working on an ordinance as we were asked by the board with a five-point. Our 5-0 vote. We went forward with that. We do have an ordinance that is in DA review right now that does have a lot of concerns that have been brought up today and have been brought up in other public comment that of ways to address them. Um that plan with that was to have it on the next agenda to set a public hearing for September. So I just wanted to make you guys aware that we are that close on it.

Voice Bhear it at 5:38:08

Thank you for that. I, however, tend to agree with Commissioner Jabbour's thought on this. I don't see one reason, so first of all, I don't own a lot.

Voice Ahear it at 5:38:19

But what I do own is here. So I am also the last one that would ever want any of the crap I own to go down in value, which is kind of why it cracks me up when people think I'm doing something that I'm not. But anyway, so I am not necessarily opposed to Commissioner Jabour's idea. I don't actually think that's a bad idea. I don't logistically know how we get to that.

Voice Ahear it at 5:38:53

If there's a motion, if there's...

Voice Bhear it at 5:38:54

I can address for me. Thank you. As any legislation, we're a legislator. You're offered a package to vote on. And in that package sometimes, anybody that watches TV, ever watch TV, will know there's things in legislation people have to vote for. um they had this pork barrel spending they used to do that and they put all the pork they called pork barrel spending and all these little things in legislation and one person got one thing so we don't have an option to line item something we can But, you know, to sort of insinuate that I, you know, I want to hear what the staff has to say about, I do not want to hear what the staff has to say about this. I want to ban it. I have no interest in what the staff has to say. So just because I vote for something doesn't mean I directed staff to do it. No interest in the staff's opinion on this. I want it banned. And I said before, we already have a temporary moratorium. It's not temporary and it's not a moratorium. It's not stopping anything. We've got people moving forward rapidly. rapidly here just quickly to put these things together buying land going through zoning and they let me if this band doesn't go through this will rapidly move forward it you will be surprised how quickly this moves forward and so what the band does is the only way to rein in an out-of-control government months ago told us that they were surprised by a 13 million dollar budget error surprise surprise We didn't have one, you said, Mr.

Voice Ahear it at 5:40:17

I said that was on a budget you voted for.

Voice Bhear it at 5:40:20

Okay, I mean, on a budget I voted for, by the way, I mean, I voted for it to be correct, not to have an error in it. So I understand that everyone wants to dump back on me or make me a bad guy. That's fine. I've been a bad guy here for a lot of staff and a lot of government people, and we all know that in this room. And that's completely fine. I don't mind. I really don't mind. I don't get enjoyment from being complimented, and I don't get upset about being attacked. But the reality is this government surprises us with $13 million surprises that I voted for too. Just like the bill I voted for to temporarily pause this that was not temporary and was not a pause. The in there was tucked in, I think, at the last second by Commissioner Strickland. I'd like to see what the staff has to say at the last second. I believe that is. I'll check the tape on that. I promise I'll get that to you.

Voice Dhear it at 5:41:08

Whatever you do you must attack me.

Voice Bhear it at 5:41:11

I'm just telling

Voice Bhear it at 5:41:13

I'm just informing

Voice Bhear it at 5:41:14

I was informing you of the way it played out. I was not attacking you. I don't. You're trying to make it seem like I'm being mean.

Voice W3hear it at 5:41:20

totally off track.

Voice Bhear it at 5:41:21

We're not on topic because the insinuation is that we are somehow. how to stay the course and at the last I really believe it was at the last second hey I want to see this half I said okay great we'll put that in there I don't even know if we had voted and if we hadn't it was coming so I just want to be clear that I want a ban I don't think this temporary moratorium works we cannot have a vote until November special election we can't Well, I wanted to make it clear. So you've got the news here, you've got people listening, and I don't want to be spun that there was something that happened that didn't happen. So I actually have a question. I don't know, you know, I will take what I can get. And if Commissioner Jabor wants, as it is stands now with the motion that I would make, it would be off the table of anything that is by a town that has an election to have their own board. Is that something that you said you would want it or do you want to restrict that further down to Pahrump?

Voice W3hear it at 5:42:20

Commissioner Bain, if I understand the question, in the beginning parts of the body,

Voice Bhear it at 5:42:13

Who said you would want it, or do you want to restrict that further down to Pahrump?

Voice Ahear it at 5:42:20

Commissioner Bain, if I understand the question, in the beginning parts of the body, it clearly reads the ban for Basin 162, and then reading through the backup, it extends. throughout the entire county.

Voice Bhear it at 5:42:39

On 17.13015, limitation on applicability, I am prepared to amend that to only restrict it to the per-application water base in 162. I just want to know if that's something that's amenable. This would allow most of your district the freedom to exercise whatever choices they want to exercise.

Voice Ahear it at 5:43:02

Please remember that most of my district is parumpil also.

Voice Bhear it at 5:43:06

No, I understand, but the district

Voice Ahear it at 5:43:08

My professional interest, my professional interest as commissioner is to help protect everybody in the county regardless where they reside. So, I mean, I understand what you're saying. Believe me, I understand commissioner.

Voice Ghear it at 5:43:30

We've been going through these stringent motions to get it right. This is a very sophisticated, as I mentioned, very sophisticated item issue that's before us, unlike before. It's unprecedented. And so I'm going to make the motion to continue.

Voice Ahear it at 5:43:55

To make this a ballot question on the next agenda

Voice Bhear it at 5:43:59

It would not when was the earliest we could put this on a ballot

Voice Ahear it at 5:44:04

We would have to do a a special election, we wouldn't be able

Voice Bhear it at 5:44:07

much do would that

Voice Bhear it at 5:44:07

do we have a price from the uh

Voice Khear it at 5:44:10

Oh, we have a motion

Voice Bhear it at 5:44:10

From the clerk

Voice Khear it at 5:44:11

on the floor and make a second.

Voice Ahear it at 5:44:13

We have a motion and a second.

Voice Bhear it at 5:44:15

Well, I would like to ask questions prior to the vote if it's possible. What is the cost of a clerk, can the clerk tell us the cost of a special election?

Voice Ahear it at 5:44:21

The clerk said she would get get us the number.

Voice Y3hear it at 5:44:25

Commissioners, by the next meeting I can get you the complete totals. More than likely the earliest we'll be able to hold a special election will be in January as

Voice Bhear it at 5:44:34

So we have a January election.

Voice Y3hear it at 5:44:35

we do have quite a big election coming in November and a change of reigns. Someone else will be performing the next election. So January would be the earliest we could get everything ready.

Voice Bhear it at 5:44:48

Commissioner Chibor would you be amenable to the prohibit a ban on the 162 water basin which would sunset the day of the election.

Voice Ahear it at 5:45:04

Commissioner Bain, this is, I mean, it's along the same lines as the moratorium. If the moratorium is coming before us in September. That most likely is going to continue on, and that's where we can help navigate through that moratorium that nothing happens, absolutely nothing happens before the ballot question before us in January. There's a little bit of redundancy here.

Voice Bhear it at 5:45:38

That's why I don't understand the opposition.

Voice Ahear it at 5:45:39

I would agree.

Voice Bhear it at 5:45:40

Since there's so much redundancy, I don't understand why not just

Voice Ahear it at 5:45:43

opposing you, Commissioner.

Voice Bhear it at 5:45:45

No, I understand that.

Voice Ahear it at 5:45:46

I'm not opposing you and I'm not opposing the opinions of the people. But clearly the people want this decision to be made. They don't want it to be made by us. And I want it to be collectively throughout the county by the people and for the people.

Voice Ahear it at 5:46:04

That's the system that we live in.

Voice Bhear it at 5:46:07

Well, actually, we're a republic. I mean, we're not a straight democracy, so I don't, you know, I think these people, 3,400 people are saying we want you to ban it, but, you know, we can respectfully disagree. I will make a motion to do this. To

Voice Ahear it at 5:46:21

have a motion

Voice Bhear it at 5:46:22

it oh I'm sorry. I'd like to make a motion after that.

Voice Ahear it at 5:46:26

Okay. If there's nothing further, I'm going to call for a vote.

Voice Khear it at 5:46:32

The motion is to

Voice Ahear it at 5:46:33

to have a vote by the

Voice Ghear it at 5:46:36

people. The motion

Voice Ahear it at 5:46:36

I'm sorry, go ahead, Commissioner.

Voice Ghear it at 5:46:38

The motion is to continue to continue this

Voice Ahear it at 5:46:43

Until August 18th in the Pahrump chambers at 10 a.m. to consider a ballot question and the funding source.

Voice Bhear it at 5:46:51

I'd like to amend that motion.

Voice Ghear it at 5:46:54

You're the second.

Voice Khear it at 5:46:55

I'm the second.

Voice Bhear it at 5:46:55

I'd like to amend the motion, please.

Voice Khear it at 5:46:57

I don't. I.

Voice Bhear it at 5:46:59

You don't want it.

Voice Ghear it at 5:47:00

She's the second,

Voice Bhear it at 5:47:02

want to amend the

Voice Khear it at 5:47:02

not amending. I don't have anything to amend.

Voice Khear it at 5:47:05

got anything to amend.

Voice Bhear it at 5:47:05

I have something to amend right here in my hand.

Voice Ahear it at 5:47:07

Bruce Commissioner DeBoer made a motion.

Voice Bhear it at 5:47:10

And I'm amending the motion.

Voice Khear it at 5:47:12

But you're not a party, you're not the second.

Voice Bhear it at 5:47:15

I'm a commissioner.

Voice Ahear it at 5:47:15

you want to hear chair chair

Voice Dhear it at 5:47:17

Do it here.

Voice Ahear it at 5:47:17

would you like to hear Commissioner

Voice Ghear it at 5:47:18

I would like to

Voice Ahear it at 5:47:19

Baines would you like to hear what could Commissioner Baines

Voice Bhear it at 5:47:24

I'd like to amend the motion to accept the ban as written with a change on 1713015. ending I'm sorry to remove all of the language

Voice Bhear it at 5:47:39

And this is um this is an amendment to the motion?

Voice Ahear it at 5:47:41

Right, we have a motion on the floor and a second.

Voice Bhear it at 5:47:44

I'm amending the motion.

Voice Ahear it at 5:47:44

If this motion fails then you're welcome

Voice Bhear it at 5:47:47

the motion, I want to amend the motion, I don't wanna have my own

Voice Ahear it at 5:47:49

call for the vote.

Voice Bhear it at 5:47:50

I would like a

Voice Bhear it at 5:47:51

p point of point of information please Mr. D_A_ parliamentarian, can you please address whether or not I can amend this motion?

Voice Z3hear it at 5:48:03

Well, actually, I don't think they necessarily have to allow you to amend the motion.

Voice Ahear it at 5:48:08

We have a motion on the floor and a second. I called for the vote. What do you got, Strickland?

Voice Khear it at 5:48:13

Let's do a poll. Strickland is aye.

Voice Z3hear it at 5:48:18

Jabour is aye.

Voice Bhear it at 5:48:29

I, but I would like to make a motion as well.

Voice A4hear it at 5:48:33

Boskovich's aye as well. Let the people speak.

Voice Bhear it at 5:48:37

Okay, may I make a motion?

Voice A4hear it at 5:48:38

I don't know. Ask the D.A.

Voice Bhear it at 5:48:39

D.A., am I just frozen out of the meeting? Is that, no, we can't make a motion? Can I make a motion

Voice A4hear it at 5:48:44

by the way, carries four, five, zero.

Voice Khear it at 5:48:46

Five-zero. That's good. Thank you for the clarity. Which I'm c anxious to see what the people say.

Voice Bhear it at 5:48:54

May I c May I make a motion?

Voice Z3hear it at 5:48:55

I'll ask l

Voice Z3hear it at 5:48:55

Ask But g

Voice Bhear it at 5:48:56

I would like to make a full another motion. The item was never closed.

Voice Z3hear it at 5:49:03

Mr. D.A., Commissioner Bain would like to make another motion after this motion He is, he is permitted to do that.

Voice Z3hear it at 5:49:09

Okay, go ahead.

Voice Bhear it at 5:49:10

What motion passed the ban as written and removing the language under 1713.015, limitation on applicability, removing all the language and inserting instead this chapter applies to any area covered by the 162 water basin. in the Pahrump Valley and I would like to add a section at the end of this legislation to say that this law will expire on the day that a special election is held.

Voice A4hear it at 5:49:41

We have a motion on the floor. Do we have a second? That motion dies. All right, because of

Voice Ahear it at 6:47:48

Item 7, 10 a.m. timed item for possible action, public hearing, discussion, and deliberation to issue an outdoor festival license to Ginny Faulkner with Beatty Chamber of Commerce for the Beatty Days 2026 to be held on October 30th through October 31st, 2026 at Cottonwood Park located at 300 Amargosa Street, Beatty, Nevada.

Voice Bhear it at 6:48:16

Is there any public comment on this? There will be none. I'll close public comment. Board?

Voice Chear it at 6:48:24

Chair, motion to approve as written.

Voice Bhear it at 6:48:27

Motion on the second.

Voice Ehear it at 6:48:31

Hi, thank you. I do need to make a correction on the date. So I would ask for an amendment to the motion. The last day is November 1st, so it's October 30th through November 1st.

Voice Fhear it at 6:48:48

So amended second.

Voice Bhear it at 6:48:51

The board amends as first. All right, again, I have an amended first and amended second. I'll call for the vote.

Voice Bhear it at 6:49:00

Where is I? Coney, item number, where am I? I don't know where I am. Number eight.

Voice Ahear it at 6:49:11

Item 8, 10 a.m. timed item for possible action, public hearing, discussion, and deliberation to issue an outdoor festival license to the town of Pahrump for the fall festival to be held on September 24th through the 27th of 2026 at Petrick Park located at 150 North Highway 160, Pahrump, Nevada.

Voice Bhear it at 6:49:32

I'll open public comment. Anybody in the public have any comment? phone?

Voice Bhear it at 6:49:39

Close to you public comment? Do you have something you'd like to tell us?

Voice Chear it at 6:49:44

Just good morning, commissioners.

Voice Chear it at 6:49:46

Good to see you guys, that's all. And good morning, Jabor.

Voice Bhear it at 6:49:51

Any discussion commissioners? If not, I'll take a motion.

Voice Bhear it at 6:49:57

to approve is written. I

Voice Bhear it at 6:50:00

have a second. I have a first, I have a second. I'll call for the motion.

Voice Bhear it at 6:50:11

Konyx I. Item number nine.

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were going to continue

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were going to hold the nine,

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end of the session.

Voice Ghear it at 6:50:19

10 and 11 to later,

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nine, 10, and 11. We're holding those

Voice Bhear it at 6:50:23

till later, everybody.

Voice Bhear it at 6:50:27

Um, twelve we pulled yesterday. Item number thirteen. Sheriff, wake up. Thirteen.

Voice Ahear it at 9:58:59

Item 09:10AM timed item for possible action, public hearing discussion and deliberation to adopt, amend and adopt or reject the International Association of Firefighters Local 4068 Agreement, IAFF 4068 to include the reporting of the fiscal impact of the agreement effective 07/01/2026.

Voice Bhear it at 9:59:31

Yeah. I don't know where I am now. Where's there you are. Go.

Voice Chear it at 9:59:39

Fill us in, and then we'll open public comment. Good afternoon, commissioner. Zilana Goldner, g o l d n e r, HR director. IFF is, renewing for three years. We we went through several articles this year, a little more deeply than we have in the past. Several items haven't been updated in quite a while, and we all know how difficult it's been to get some of our firefighters. So we've been working on getting working on both ends as far as recruiting and longevity. So we updated quite a few. I don't know if you want me to go through each article with you or I think the red line was in there. Yep. Or I can just answer any questions. And we just got done with the meet closed session in regards to it. Well, I'm here if you have any other questions. Okay.

Voice Bhear it at 10:00:40

We I don't think we go publicly. Alright? Alright. I'm gonna open public comment. Anybody have anything on item number nine?

Voice Dhear it at 10:00:54

Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ehear it at 10:01:02

Yes. Amy Nelson, n e l s o n. And, I'm here to support the item. We have great respect for our firefighters and volunteers. Mhmm. And, I do hope you, pass this. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 10:01:26

Thank you, Amy. Sawyers.

Voice Fhear it at 10:01:33

Tammy Pittman, p I t m a n. So, unfortunately, number nine states there it is. Okay. To include the reporting fiscal impact of the agreement effective July 1, I'd love to hear about the fiscal impact because, you know, money is short. Thank you. And that can just be ditto for the next two. Oh, okay.

Voice Bhear it at 10:02:02

Thank you, Tammy. Anybody else on the phone? No, chair. Closed public comment. Board.

Voice Dhear it at 10:02:12

Would you like a government to answer the fiscal impact to the public?

Voice Bhear it at 10:02:18

Sure. You wanna

Voice Dhear it at 10:02:20

read the numbers? Just read it. Why don't you go ahead, Alona?

Voice Bhear it at 10:02:27

Of year one, two, and three? Yes.

Voice Chear it at 10:02:34

The the physic fiscal impact for year one is 03/1936 or, year two is May, and year three is sorry. I didn't have a total.

Voice Chear it at 10:03:00

About 800,000 for year three, total of 1,750,000 for the three years. Good.

Voice Ghear it at 10:03:09

Good thing we love our firefighters. Mister chairman, may I address for it briefly? Sure. Thank you. I just wanted to acknowledge the county manager, Mr. Wagner, and the assistant county manager, Ms. Dellinger, and the staff, HR director, and everyone there for doing a great job here. The firefighters are pretty happy with this contract. And I think know, when things are done well, I think it's important to acknowledge that. And so I just wanna do that. I know that I think Bert got an email from them thanking thanking him, and and I our firefighters believe that this contract will reduce turnover rate and retention, and that's so important right now. So I'm just very I wanna express my gratitude for everyone, people in my district and people in the entire town and county that I I believe that we're safer with this contract because I peep will keep the people for longer. And I I think it it was a very good job and and it was done very, very quickly, I'm told. So thank you all very much.

Voice Dhear it at 10:04:10

If there's nothing else, I'd like to make a motion to adopt IAFF, agreement to take effect 07/01/2026.

Voice Bhear it at 10:04:22

Four seconds. Motion and a second. I'll call for the vote.

Voice Bhear it at 10:04:29

For Zay. Going to Zay. Number 10.

Voice Ahear it at 10:04:36

Item 10, for possible action, public hearing, discussion and deliberation to adopt, amend and adopt or reject the Nye County Management Employees Association Agreement, NCMEA, to include the reporting of the fiscal impact of the agreement effective 07/01/2026. And this one does not include retro.

Voice Bhear it at 10:04:59

What was that? I missed the last comment.

Voice Ahear it at 10:05:03

This agreement does not include any retro.

Voice Bhear it at 10:05:05

Okay. Thank you. Laura?

Voice Chear it at 10:05:09

Good afternoon, commissioners. Ilan Goldner, g o l d n e r. This it's also another three year contract. There weren't as many changes in this. Most of it was just like language cleanup. The fiscal impact for this one for this year is 290,000. Next year, $5.85. And the third year oh my gosh. Is $8.93 total of 1,700,000.

Voice Bhear it at 10:05:50

Great. Thank you. Public comment.

Voice Chear it at 10:05:56

There's no comment on the phone.

Voice Bhear it at 10:06:02

Might as well sit in the chair up here.

Voice Dhear it at 10:06:07

I know. I need my exercise. I wanna know how we're paying for it, y'all. Where is it coming from? Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 10:06:14

We planted a new tree. I wish.

Voice Dhear it at 10:06:35

The green lights? Okay. Linda Clark, CLARK.

Voice Bhear it at 10:06:38

Now I can hear you. Okay.

Voice Dhear it at 10:06:41

I don't understand any of this and I'm sure a lot of us don't. It's a good thing you held it off to the end so most people wouldn't understand. Okay. So are we paying people here in this board more money this year than what they already got? You mean here? No. No? Who are you paying?

Voice Bhear it at 10:07:04

People that work for us.

Voice Bhear it at 10:07:07

Who? Firefighters, cops,

Voice Dhear it at 10:07:10

you know. We already went through the fire department.

Voice Ahear it at 10:07:14

So what's this one for? Number 11. These are other groups of employees. Other groups? Manage management. Management. Management unions. Like you? No. I'm not part of your team. So

Voice Dhear it at 10:07:26

who would be management? Your management, Samantha? Yeah. Okay. You can have a raise. Going against the rules, Linda. Because it's not supposed to be a question and answer session,

Voice Ahear it at 10:07:37

but management would be the directors, the department managers like Samantha. Okay. That kind of Those those positions. Okay. And just deputy district attorneys.

Voice Dhear it at 10:07:53

Okay. It would be nice. I mean, even in your backup, it's not very self explanatory. So it's nice for people to know what you're doing, especially when this county is supposed to be broke. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 10:08:07

I personally can never remember what those acronyms mean. So

Voice Ahear it at 10:08:13

Spend about, thirty hours in negotiations with them. You I don't wanna hear it.

Voice Bhear it at 10:08:20

Further public comment? Phone? Nothing on the phone?

Voice Chear it at 10:08:25

No, chair. Okay. We'll close public comment. Chair, made a motion to adopt the NCMEA agreement effective 07/01/2026.

Voice Bhear it at 10:08:37

I have a motion. Do I have a second? Four seconds. I have a motion and a second. Call for the vote.

Voice Bhear it at 10:08:48

Regent Borje Zay. Conorje Zay. Item 11.

Voice Ahear it at 10:08:56

Item eleven, 10AM timed item for possible action, public hearing discussion and deliberation to adopt, amend and adopt, reject Nye County Management Employees Association Agreement, criminal deputy district attorneys to include the reporting of the fiscal impact of the agreement effective 07/01/2026.

Voice Bhear it at 10:09:18

Go for it.

Voice Chear it at 10:09:20

Ilona Goldner, g o l d n e r. This one also does not have a retro, payment for this one as well. They have the same contract. We made a couple adjustments to the deputy district attorneys and the senior and chief. Other than that, the exact agreement, is the management group. The fiscal impact for this year is 162,000. Next year is 337,000. The third year is 452,000. Total is 953,000.

Voice Bhear it at 10:10:06

Public all open public comment. Anybody would like to comment? Come on down.

Voice Dhear it at 10:10:14

Susie Hertz, h e r t z. I will ask the question that has been asked already, and I would hope that we could get an answer. And that is where is this in the county budget? I think in your comments, before you vote on this, we ought to be able to know that. Where is it? Is it already planned for? How did you know it was coming? How is it gonna be paid for? You owe us that explanation. Thank you.

Voice Ehear it at 10:11:04

Dwight Lilly, l I l y, taxpayer. I'm gonna support this if Right. For the next year, we end the catch and release program that's been going on between the courts and the district attorney's office. If it doesn't end, next year I'm gonna come back and tell him you that I want my money back.

Voice Fhear it at 10:11:36

William Lovedren, l o v e g r e n. I have a question for you. You guys were talking about retro dates of back to 07/01/2026, But you're saying that you're not going to back pay to July 20 07/01/2026. And why are you retrofitting it? Is it because of the contract ended on July 1? Okay. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 10:12:02

Anybody want to comment on the budget?

Voice Ahear it at 10:12:05

I will comment on the budget. The raises for this year were anticipated for the most part. So we are did budget for this first year. Thank

Voice Ghear it at 10:12:21

you. And it does say so on the bottom of the agenda item. It says budgeted, yes, and it says reoccurring. It's checked off.

Voice Bhear it at 10:12:30

Financial review. Yes. Anything on the phone, Sam? Oh, chair. K. I'll close public comment.

Voice Ghear it at 10:12:37

Chair, I'd like to make a motion to adopt. NCMEA dash CDDA making effective date of 07/01/2026.

Voice Bhear it at 10:12:49

Motion, do I have a second?

Voice Bhear it at 10:13:01

I'll second it. I have a motion and a second. I'll call for the question.

Voice Bhear it at 10:13:11

Where's Zai? Call him Zai. What? That's done. 27. Well, we're done except for the public comment. General public comment number 27, please.

Voice Ahear it at 6:50:39

I am 13 10 a.m. timed item for possible action hearing to show cause discussion and deliberation to consider renewal suspension or revocation of a wholesale delivery liquor licenses that were not renewed due to late payment of the annual renewal fees for breakthrough beverage Nevada beer LLC located at 1849 West Cheyenne Avenue North Las Vegas, Nevada.

Voice Bhear it at 6:51:06

Before we start the show cause, any public comment on this?

Voice Ahear it at 6:51:15

The sheriff's got

Voice Ahear it at 6:51:16

a script for the hearing.

Voice Chear it at 6:51:20

That means I have to read the chair. I'm sorry.

Voice Bhear it at 6:51:23

Yeah, here also the chair, so it's all your sheriff.

Voice Dhear it at 6:51:27

Okay, this is a hearing to consider renewal suspension or revocation of the wholesale delivery liquor license for Breakthrough Beverage Nevada Beer LLC. The report is found on page four and five of the backup materials. The licensee, do you have anything that you would like to say?

Voice Chear it at 6:51:50

Yes, good morning, board and sheriff. Oh, by the way, Kevin Wilkerson, W-I-L-K-E-R-S-O-N. I'm here representing Breakthrough Beverage Nevada as well as Breakthrough Beverage Nevada Beer LLC. Breakthrough Beverage has been an enjoyed longstanding relationship with Nye County for 50 years. We remain compliant, 50 plus years remain compliant. We do our licenses on time. And what we ultimately seek is just to continue representing our retailers. We have about 100 retailers here in Nye County that we enjoy working with over many, many years. There were some clerical errors that prevented us from renewing our license in a timely manner. In general, there's some points I just wanted to make. We originally sent in our license fees on May 21st, so well ahead of schedule, with, you know, demonstrating a clear intent to renew our license and maintain our license in good standing. The issue arose because that check, those checks were made out to the wrong payee. They're made out to, I believe, Nye County Sheriff instead of Nye County Licensing, if I understand correctly.

Voice Dhear it at 6:52:59

As soon as we were notified of that issue, we took immediate action. We updated our vendor records. We voided our original checks, requested replacement checks, and we coordinated with county staff.

Voice Ehear it at 6:53:09

regarding the status replacement of those checks so throughout this process breakthroughs acted in good faith we've worked diligent to resolve the matter diligently to resolve the matter as quickly as possible we never intended to avoid payment never intended to delay payment and certainly didn't intend to disregard county requirements those checks we were notified that second set of checks were notified We're not received. I believe that was on July 8th. We contacted and immediately sent overnight a new set of checks. Those are received, you know, after the deadline. So we've missed that deadline, but throughout this process we've submitted three sets of different checks, one with the wrong licensee on it, one that was sent that apparently wasn't received, and then we got that notification we immediately FedExed a set of checks after that. So our clear intent all along was to make sure that we were compliant, sending our fees like we've had for... Like I said, 50 years plus that we've worked with Nye County and our retailers here. So ultimately what we're asking is, you know, to get our license reinstated and continue servicing our retailers here in Nye County and continue forth with our relationship as we've had it for many, many years.

Voice Ghear it at 6:54:31

Thank you, Chair. As outlined in the staff report and the backup, what Mr. Brokerson said is correct with the exception of staff making multiple attempts to contact the company. Days before the expiration date, we tried every phone number that we were aware of, whether it was from Google, from the account, from contacts we've made in the past. We left voicemails on numerous voicemail boxes throughout the company, whether it be HR or the main line. We called days before the deadline and we also sent via certified as of July 1st. I noticed that they did not make the payment. It was not received and that the license would be considered at the July 7th meeting, which it was. The board voted not to renew. Then we scheduled a show cause hearing because they did on July 8th or 9th make the attempt to rectify the issue. And through that, they were issued another notice. And our main concern in the department was that through all of the information that we have to contact them and all of the The attempts we made, we were not contacted back once within that month from June 1st to July 8th or 9th and we verified that all of the information we do have is correct and we just weren't sure why we didn't receive a call back.

Voice Ehear it at 6:56:14

You guys think of that or

Voice Ehear it at 6:56:17

I'm not sure Uh, I'm sure calls were made into the break-through beverage. I don't know why those weren't received or where they went. I will say this: Corrective action has been taken on that, so we've appointed one specific person to make sure calls are cleared for your point. Um, what happened previous to that with our call logs and when the calls were made, I certainly they happened and why they never reached the appropriate people, I'm not sure. door. But that has been rectified and that's probably a great point a good important point with this is these issues that caused this license to be to go into a status of you know revoked and now we're on temporary licenses those have been fixed. There were emails going on all the way back when we first were notified that the payees were incorrectly there's no multiple emails going back and forth including from myself so there's communication but not by phone to licensing staff and happen and so forth but the most important piece is we fixed the issues that caused this to happen that started originally with the wrong licensee made many multiple checks but there was communication made I believe licensing department did do that and they never reached appropriate people to fix that I'm one of those appropriate people that's been resolved now with with the person that Samantha's also been in contact with name is Isabella Thank you.

Voice Chear it at 6:57:44

Thank you. Chair, as we're on the following the format, yes, I do have a question for Mr. Wilkinson, please.

Voice Chear it at 6:57:56

Thank you, Mr. Wilkinson. Thank you for your...

Voice Hhear it at 6:57:58

attendance today and your explanation and thank you Manager Tackett for staying on top of this along with the chair of the SHERP. So sir you mentioned you do acknowledge that phone calls were made multiple phone calls were made.

Voice Ehear it at 6:58:18

I believe they were. Yes, I trust that they were. I don't have anything to go by that shows they were received on our side. But I do trust that they were made, I believe Ms. Tackett is honest

Voice Hhear it at 6:58:29

But we can,

Voice Hhear it at 6:58:30

have, we have phone call logs, sir.

Voice Hhear it at 6:58:34

So in your defense and your presentation, you say you're not sure, didn't go to the appropriate people, but you have corrected the action, you have corrected the issue. How have you corrected it if you don't know where the phone calls went, sir?

Voice Ahear it at 6:58:51

The we Oh, but you corrected that.

Voice Ehear it at 6:58:53

corrected it by appointing one singular person, which names Isabella. Miss Tackett is familiar with her, I believe. She checks that call log now every day. At least once a day she herself is responsible to make sure that licenses are paid but also she is also verifying that call log daily and in her absence she has an assistant that also checks that she's gone so we have a singular person now that's checking that call log daily as opposed

Voice Ehear it at 6:59:20

to as opposed to just someone you know in the admin staff checking it without a particular person assigned to it.

Voice Chear it at 6:59:29

Sir, I apologize. I'm in the business. I've been in the business. Okay, this is unacceptable. After 50 years, you now have a compliance specialist that will take these appropriate phone calls. Phone calls were made. Staff listened to those phone calls, ignored those phone calls, and here we are today.

Voice Ihear it at 6:59:56

They weren't one of us.

Voice Ehear it at 6:59:58

know that they were ignored. I'm just not sure that they were previous to this when I got involved. I'm sorry, go ahead.

Voice Ihear it at 7:00:06

They certainly weren't addressed, sir.

Voice Ihear it at 7:00:10

weren't addressed, they were ignored.

Voice Ehear it at 7:00:12

I wouldn't say they were ignored. I don't know who is responsible previous to our assignment now, who is responsible for retrieving those calls from our call service. I don't know who that person was previous to now. Today we've assigned a specific person to it that I work very closely with to ensure it doesn't happen again.

Voice Ahear it at 7:00:34

Sir, let me understand, please, through the chair. So you're the vice president of the company.

Voice Ehear it at 7:00:40

I'm the vice of the department within the company, yes.

Voice Ahear it at 7:00:45

But after all this time, I mean, are you new with the company?

Voice Ehear it at 7:00:48

No, been there for 37 years.

Voice Ahear it at 7:00:51

Okay, and so after all this time, sir, you don't know who's been responsible for compliance to

Voice Ehear it at 7:00:57

No, no, I don't know previous

Voice Ahear it at 7:00:59

that this, they're permitting.

Voice Ehear it at 7:00:59

I don't know previous to this who was responsible for retrieving the calls off of our service. Compliance in general is my responsibility. Payment of license fees, etc. are the responsibility of... One of our admin staff named Isabella, she's the one who mailed the checks all three times, but I'm ultimately responsible for compliance. I just don't know who previous to this incident on, and this began in June, sorry, May 21st, who was responsible for picking up calls off the call log.

Voice Hhear it at 7:01:37

Yes. So, Mr. Wilkinson, would you agree that...

Voice Ahear it at 7:01:41

That manager Tackett and her staff, they're trying to assist you and your company to stay in business to be successful. And also the hundred merchants that you are the distributor to. And hence, this is why they made multiple calls and emails in informing that the checks were incorrect, they needed to be rewritten, etc. We're trying to help you. We're not trying to hurt you.

Voice Ehear it at 7:02:13

No, no, I agree 100%. Absolutely. That's why we put these fixes in place. At no point are we blaming Nye County licensing. We were communicating, or at least I got involved with emails back and forth with licensing when I personally got involved. Isabella was doing the same. That's how she knew of the new sets of checks that had to be issued because the licensees were incorrect. It's the phone, what appears to me, it's the phone calls where there were left on our service that were missed that really exacerbated this problem, which has been rectified.

Voice Dhear it at 7:02:52

Okay, thank you, Mr. Wilkinson. Thank you, Chair.

Voice Chear it at 7:02:55

Thank you. Samantha, I have a question. Do we have any history of late payment or non-payment with this vendor?

Voice Ghear it at 7:03:09

We do not have a history of non-payment. I would have to go back into our records and check when payments were received to see if they're late, but I don't recall having issues prior to this.

Voice Dhear it at 7:03:21

Okay, thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 7:03:22

Can I address Mr. Chairman very quickly?

Voice Fhear it at 7:03:23

Thank you. Um Are you a Nevada company? Are you in Cicero or Berwyn or something? Where did you start off with? I'm from Chicago. Where was your company? What was it before?

Voice Ehear it at 7:03:34

Oh, yeah, it's a work, works corporation.

Voice Ehear it at 7:03:37

you worked, yep.

Voice Fhear it at 7:03:38

So you changed from there. And so are you with that company or are you with this company? I'm just trying to figure out, are you?

Voice Ehear it at 7:03:44

I directly work actually for the corporate group in Chicago works. Beverage group.

Voice Fhear it at 7:03:49

So we were leaving messages on like a Chicago number somewhere. So I just want to make sure everyone understands this isn't like a Nevada company with like six people No, in it. This

Voice Fhear it at 7:03:57

is no, like a

Voice Fhear it at 7:03:58

company in Chicago.

Voice Ehear it at 7:04:00

Correct. We are in 15 states, including Canada. Yeah, we're I work in the Nevada office here locally, but we are a corporation and those calls that Isabella is monitoring are what's coming into. Nevada and

Voice Fhear it at 7:04:16

I think you're publicly traded aren't you or no you're

Voice Ehear it at 7:04:18

we are not we

Voice Fhear it at 7:04:18

not okay so you're a private company do they still own at works who's works is it some hockey players I don't remember the history of this

Voice Ehear it at 7:04:24

they own the Blackhawks yes Danny Danny works and Charlie Marinoff are the two chairmen and

Voice Fhear it at 7:04:30

and I don't watch hockey so I'm not trying to I'm just saying that it's a giant company so I can see how that happens I don't know if Commissioner Jabar realizes that I'm not saying he's wrong about any of those other

Voice Ehear it at 7:04:39

if I might Sorry about that.

Voice Ehear it at 7:04:41

PrimeX found as well. We relatively recently went to a new system and phones, so the phones are picked up by a service, not like a, you know, a landline you dial in and pick up messages. It's a service or a computer system that generates and captures these messages, and who was signed to pick those messages up previously was, let's just say, not specifically identified, and that was an error on our part.

Voice Ghear it at 7:05:08

I do want to identify that we have been calling local members and we left messages directly with Isabella on her voicemail box.

Voice Jhear it at 7:05:20

want to commend Samantha Tackett and her staff for being so diligent and attempting to get this rectified so we weren't here.

Voice Ehear it at 7:05:27

I agree 100%. I

Voice Jhear it at 7:05:28

And so can you put this on your list of things that needs to get done in July for next year, please?

Voice Ehear it at 7:05:33

can confirm and commit that we will do the same thing we did this year, meaning from a date perspective. Next

Voice Ehear it at 7:05:40

year in May and

Voice Ehear it at 7:05:42

then I will personally reach out to Ms. Tackett and make sure she has received

Voice Jhear it at 7:05:46

Received. Thank license you. Thank and you,

Voice Fhear it at 7:05:52

Any further comments from the board? So do we have a motion? Public comment, yes. Sorry.

Voice Chear it at 7:06:05

Any public comment? Linda Clark, C-L-A-R-K.

Voice Jhear it at 7:06:16

Linda Clark. Seems like this company has got a good reputation, or at least everybody seems to know who they were. I don't.

Voice Khear it at 7:06:29

They've been doing business here and apparently from what Samantha said, we haven't had any major issues and I don't see and not that I'm authority on any of this, but if a guy is caught up, done what he's supposed to, promises to do better, make sure his staff knows what the heck they're doing, I don't see that he has any other problems than any other company around here that has people that just don't follow through. So, I say give them a chance, let them start over, and make good on their promises to do what they have to. And I've sat in this office, in this office, yeah, it's your office, for almost seven years now, and I've seen people that you've let go on stuff that we're doing, so thank you.

Voice Lhear it at 7:07:16

Chair, Ms. Clark.

Voice Jhear it at 7:07:19

You did not spell your name for the record. And this is a public hearing. It's very important.

Voice Jhear it at 7:07:26

Excellent. Thank you for spelling it for her too, Sheriff.

Voice Ehear it at 7:07:29

Thank you, Linda. Anybody on the phone?

Voice Ghear it at 7:07:33

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Nhear it at 7:07:39

That's for Savage B-O-R-Y-S-E-W-I-C-H. What my question is and confuses me is if this company has been around for 100 years and you guys have been getting licenses and payments every year with no problem, how come all of a sudden the checks are made out to the wrong person? Did the entire staff change? Or somebody go brain dead. That's my only question because it just seems kind of suspect. I have given back their license, but still that's a real question I have.

Voice Chear it at 7:08:22

Thank you. Anybody else on the phone?

Voice Ghear it at 7:08:24

Yes, chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ihear it at 7:08:30

Yes, Amy Nelson, N-E-L-S-O-N.

Voice Nhear it at 7:08:34

My son was in this industry, and he left three years ago to another state because of the people that were being replaced with green card workers, and now he works in Houston, and every employee under him cannot speak English. So a lot of this is miscommunication and some of it could be transitioning between a billing date and waiting for checks to be sent back. I'm dealing with some of that now with the oxygen company and so it takes time. I don't think it was intentional. They have a good record, and I really think that their license should be reinstated. We need all the, you know, the sincere companies and business that we can get in my county. And if he services a hundred of our casinos and bars, then we really need a business like that. And our businesses rely on it. So I appreciate the time to speak on it, but my opinion is this should not have an effect on him having a business and reinstate his license. Thank you.

Voice Chear it at 7:10:03

Thank you, Amy. Samantha, am I correct? Didn't it over the last four or five years change from payment to the sheriff's office?

Voice Dhear it at 7:10:14

Then it went to licensing 18,

Voice Ghear it at 7:10:16

That changed in 2018.

Voice Dhear it at 7:10:19

okay, so it's been longer. Okay. Thank you my mistake Yes

Voice Ehear it at 7:10:28

William Lovegren, L-O-V-E-G-R-E-N. I have a question and maybe you guys can answer it in regards to you're having problems with checks. I know that you can do permits on...

Voice Ohear it at 7:10:28

William Lovegren, L-O-V-E-G-R

Voice Ohear it at 7:10:31

I have a question, and maybe you guys can answer it, in regards to you're having problems with checks. I know that you can do permits online and pay by credit card. Could he have paid by credit card online? No? Okay. The reason why I ask is because, I mean, that probably would have saved if the checks were the wrong name or whatever. Maybe you guys might want to do something like that so that way they can. Put in a credit card and get it handled quicker it might be something you guys want to look at. Thank you

Voice Chear it at 7:11:04

Anybody else on the phone?

Voice Ghear it at 7:11:05

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Qhear it at 7:11:12

Yes, Tim Bohannon, B-O-H-A-N-N-O-N. I deal with larger companies and deal with policies, procedures, standards. TIP letters and all sorts of things every day. Make sure that you have your, my word of advice is make sure you have your procedures updated, that they're communicated, and to ensure that communication continues. Even if there's a transition, if you're a large enough company, you should be able to do that fairly seamlessly, whether it's in a changing environment or merger acquisition, either way it doesn't matter. Make sure the communication happens so that this issue, which sounds like 2018 was a trigger date, doesn't happen again. Thank you.

Voice Chear it at 7:12:02

Thank you. Anybody else?

Voice Chear it at 7:12:07

Thank you. Nobody in Tonopah? Nobody else here? Closed public comment.

Voice Bhear it at 7:12:17

Chairman, I'd like to make a motion.

Voice Bhear it at 7:12:22

To make a motion to renew the wholesale delivery liquor license for Breakthrough Beverage, Nevada Beer, LLC.

Voice Ahear it at 7:12:30

Mr. Boar seconds.

Voice Chear it at 7:12:32

Can we have a motion and a second? Is there any further discussion?

Voice Jhear it at 7:12:36

Hold on a second, Chair. We may have said the name incorrectly. Could we just not say the name and just motion

Voice Bhear it at 7:12:44

say the name.

Voice Jhear it at 7:12:44

Do you mind changing your motion and your second?

Voice Bhear it at 7:12:49

I'll change my motion to I move to renew the wholesale delivery liquor license.

Voice Chear it at 7:12:59

Now I'm confused as with the title. I think you need to have the correct I

Voice Mhear it at 7:13:04

say so on the script.

Voice Chear it at 7:13:06

recognize that but I think I did.

Voice Ghear it at 7:13:15

Chair, if I may.

Voice Ghear it at 7:13:16

We have two separate licenses.

Voice Ghear it at 7:13:21

is Breakthrough Beverage Nevada Beer, LLC, and then Breakthrough Beverage, LLC.

Voice Dhear it at 7:13:27

they're both licensed through Nye County.

Voice Dhear it at 7:13:29

So we need to, in a motion, it needs to specify both.

Voice Bhear it at 7:13:34

I believe so. So let's try it again.

Voice Bhear it at 7:13:39

I move to renew the wholesale delivery liquor license for Breakthrough Beverage Nevada Beer LLC and Breakthrough Beverage LLC.

Voice Dhear it at 7:13:55

Yes. Good. Motion and a second. Any further discussion or we'll take the vote.

Voice Bhear it at 7:14:05

Koenig will say.

Voice Rhear it at 7:14:06

Hi. Hi. That's five zero. Pass. Thanks, you.

Voice Jhear it at 7:14:11

Mr. Koenig, can we take a five minute?

Voice Bhear it at 7:14:14

Sure. Take a five minute.

Voice Rhear it at 7:14:15

And I'm going to close the licensing and liquor board.

Voice Bhear it at 7:14:18

Take a five minute comfort break.

Voice Bhear it at 7:15:07

Gentlemen, we're going to start up again, please. Item number 14.

Voice Ahear it at 7:15:18

Item 14, report by Town of Pahrump Buildings and Grounds Manager Jimmy Martinez on project status update on the Simpkins Park splash pad located at 1350 East Simpkins Road, Pahrump, Nevada, and discuss possible funding source for installation of the additional fencing along the curb and driveway closest to the splash pad. I just wanted to... Remind that it's a discussion. Direction can be given to staff, but no vote will be taken.

Voice Bhear it at 7:15:52

Good morning Commissioners, Jimmy Martinez M-A-R-T-I-N-E-Z. As you all know, Postpone has been done with the splash pad. It's still being, it's all fenced off for protection just to make sure nobody goes in and damages anything that's in there.

Voice Chear it at 7:16:08

um we have shade structures they're on order they're in the process of being made now hopefully we should get them pretty soon roughly 10 weeks i'm estimating depending on the manufacturer once those are in town staff will get them installed get them hung up and so they'll be shade there's actually two shades that are coming in the secondary shade that we purchased It was out of budget. Well, it was all out of budget, but we end up taking funding from my parks budget to fund the rest to get the shades here. And then. Yeah, of course you'll see in the backup option A or option B to add the fence along what side the recommendation for safety. We're adding another set of parking bumpers to make sure traffic control is controlled and everybody's going slow around that area which they do already in the parking lot.

Voice Dhear it at 7:17:10

All right, public comment. Anyone on the phone?

Voice Ehear it at 7:17:17

Yes chair the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record

Voice Dhear it at 7:17:29

Nobody home. Marianne.

Voice Fhear it at 7:17:33

Marianne Hollis, H-O-L-L-I-S. I was hoping that might have been Beth Borosevich. As you know, she has submitted quite a lengthy and well-done documentation on this issue. One thing Mr. Martinez just said is that the fencing is securing the area. You saw in those pictures it's secured with a twist tie. I could twist it off and go in there. It's like the twist tie on a... a bread loaf. There's no security there. You also got a picture that's in the backup for this agenda item, and I got this picture in May, eight weeks ago. Circle what you think is different here from what you see there. Save your ink because you put a circle around the whole entire thing, the whole entire structure. This is not it. This is it. The outcome for this, sorry, was predicted shortly after the groundbreaking. An alternative plan was presented, a safer location, more amenable for families, and far less expensive, but was dismissed by Mr. Boscovich as the chosen site involved the T-Mobile hometown grant decisions as well. That is not true. I spoke with them. They don't know Simpkins Park from Ian Dutch from Fenway Park. When the initial bids failed, you gave full authority to Mr. Martinez to move the project forward. What exactly are his credentials? Is he the project manager also? I'd like to see any signatures on permits or change orders or final inspection by the multiple departments for safety and health of the children. His choice of multiple vendors across the county should have sent the first red flag up the pole. But you let them go. This picture has an option one and two in it for fencing. If you look at option A, that is totally going to block the sight line for the mom sitting on those benches to see their kids inside. I don't know who dreamed that one up. And that fencing along the road should have been completed all the way down past the installation of the ballads. What was the cost of those ballots, the benches, and now the $12,000 for the patio umbrellas and the trash bins and now the cost now for more fencing? That's top-level fencing. I'll admit it's really nice. This is easily now more than $400,000. Easily.

Voice Ghear it at 7:20:28

Reprimands throughout this construction were advised by citizens and credentialed individuals and were dismissed. Consider this. Mr. Martinez will be the manager for the

Voice Hhear it at 7:20:39

you. Your time is up, madam.

Voice Dhear it at 7:20:45

Thank you, Marianne. Any other public comment? Come on down.

Voice Ghear it at 7:20:54

Good morning, Julia Musal, M-U-S-A-L-L. I'm just going to make this brief. I think it is very despicable, this splash pad. It looks like a prison yard. And I'm sorry, but you go to Vegas, and they have these beautiful splash pads. They don't have fences around them.

Voice Fhear it at 7:21:16

they're very nice this is not safety and these are for the children and I believe I only saw one bench how do you expect parents where do you expect them to sit also there were parents who got together mothers who raised I believe they said $5,000 for shade why is the county now paying for shade I think this commissioner, all of you, you need to get with whoever did the splash pad and you need to demand reimbursement because this is not what was promised. Thank you.

Voice Dhear it at 7:21:59

Thank you. Anyone on the phone?

Voice Ehear it at 7:22:01

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ihear it at 7:22:09

Hello, this is Beth for Savage, B-O-R-Y-S-E-W-I-C-H. Thank you, Mary Ann, for mentioning the documents that I created. This document, first of all, I want to let you know I called the health department. They said there is no permit, no health permit. So what the heck? I'm asking for a formal project accountability review of the splash pad. The original bid package was not simply for a water feature. It called for a complete 1,500 square foot design and construction project, including engineering permits, grading, drainage, utilities, fencing, testing, inspections, as-built drawings, operating manuals, and staff training. The first two bids were rejected, and then Martinez was supposed to get another bid, but he went out to an alternative company, and it was awarded to great Western installations. They're supposed to be an expert in this. How could they put their name on this? They should be embarrassed. A separate $18,980 retraining wall invoice brings a documented external cost of at least $318,000, which is $70,000 above the original estimate.

Voice Jhear it at 7:23:40

That's only part of the concern. The completed project appears materially different from the original scope. Instead of the required six-foot chain link enclosure, there is a solid block wall with chain link above it. That wall may obstruct parents' view of the children.

Voice Ihear it at 7:23:58

Benches are in front of the only entrance and exit, which shouldn't even be there, but the benches are in violation of construction law because you can't lock an entrance. As Marianne said, what qualifications does Mr. Martinez or whoever the heck he was working with have to build anything? In my opinion, he should be reassigned to not have to build any kind of buildings anymore. We find somebody that has a construction background that actually knows how to file for permits, knows how to submit drawings to get approvals for spending money, and I am just totally flabbergasted at the... that any of you commissioners can sit there if you've looked at and think that this is a good idea if so you are mentally challenged in addition there's supposed to be a five foot concrete area around this splash pad which is an over splash area so the thing is that's even missing and

Voice Hhear it at 7:25:13

Thank you, man

Voice Dhear it at 7:25:14

Are you mad? London

Voice Ghear it at 7:25:19

It's pretty interesting. Linda Clark, C-L-A-R-K. I think the splash pad is deplorable. That's Hillary's word. I don't like Hillary, but it was a good word. This splash pad to me reminds me. All you have to do is put a hoop on top of it and it could be an outdoor wet basketball court. My son was a star basketball player. He played basketball. I bet he could make baskets in it. It is horrible and you put a block wall around it. If a kid slips and falls and hits his head on the block wall you then have padding over there to prevent them from getting their heads all banged up. Is there going to be emergency services over there? It looks more like an outdoor shower than it does a splash pad. And like the other woman said, there are beautiful splash pads around. This is an embarrassment for this whole community. I don't even know why you did it. It's like everything else you promised. Yeah, we're going to have this for the kids. We're going to have this for the moms and whatever so they can go play pickleball. And then we're going to have a. Hey soccer field, we're going to put water over there for the soccer field, but what came first? Oh, we got to do the off-road racing and the little motocross. You guys don't know what the hell you're doing. Thank you.

Voice Dhear it at 7:26:55

Thank you. Anyone else on the phone?

Voice Dhear it at 7:27:00

Come on, Deborah.

Voice Khear it at 7:27:03

Deborah Thomas, T-H-O-M-A-S.

Voice Khear it at 7:27:15

I don't, I would not allow my grandchildren to play in this park because of the concrete walls, because The benches for parents to sit on are on the other side of a fence, that blue fence. It's not going to get, we're not going to get our money's worth out of it because no one's going to want their children to play there. And I don't know what you guys can do, but all I can say is do your best.

Voice Dhear it at 7:27:54

Thank you, Dwight.

Voice Lhear it at 7:28:00

Dwight Lilly taxpayer, L-I-L-L-Y, this is an atrocity. I didn't even know what a splash pad was because we always ran through sprinklers with a piece of plastic, but we spent how many hundreds of thousands of dollars? Well, yes, it does look like a prison shower. And I'm amazed that somebody didn't go around, or maybe they did, looking at other splash pads designed. Now I worry because the fairgrounds has been considering putting different things down there for the public. Who are we supposed to trust? With our tax dollars to put these in, I mean, I don't think I would trust the maintenance and building department to put anything, a dog run in, from looking at this. This is an atrocity. I know it was a lot of money, but I wish you guys would just bulldoze the thing over and put a real splash pad in because there are examples all over the country of real splash pads that are designed properly for the children. This is a disaster. It's a disaster.

Voice Dhear it at 7:29:13

Thank you, Dwight. Still no one on the phone?

Voice Ehear it at 7:29:16

There is comment on the phone. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Mhear it at 7:29:24

Hello, Commissioner. I just wanted to say a few words to you. I'm really quite embarrassed that you guys want to be embarrassed with the results.

Voice Dhear it at 7:29:35

Can't understand you. You're garbled.

Voice Mhear it at 7:29:41

Can you hear me now?

Voice Dhear it at 7:29:42

It's a little bit better a

Voice Mhear it at 7:29:43

Can you hear me now?

Voice Mhear it at 7:29:45

Can you hear me now?

Voice Dhear it at 7:29:47

Can I hear your name? Spell it apparently not okay

Voice Ehear it at 7:30:08

Courtney Kenney for the record, K-E-N-N-E-Y. So I do want to say a few things. First, I want to thank the staff that I witnessed work tirelessly on this project. I watched staff out in the sun, in the heat, putting a lot of hard work into this with what we had, and I want to thank the staff for their hard work trying to do what they could with what we had. Second, I do want to say I've lived in this town almost 25 years now.

Voice Nhear it at 7:30:34

now and I'm grateful I am very grateful that at least we have something that we haven't had a lot for kids in this town I am a mother I am raising my son here and I'm grateful we're starting somewhere I'm grateful to have at least a starting point not to say that we can't build or add to it in the future moving forward but at least it's a starting point And on that note, I hear a lot about kids slipping and falling, and I'm a mother. I have a son, not a concern of mine at all. I go to splash pads in Vegas and I see kids wear water shoes in the splash pad area. I don't see kids running around barefoot. A lot of moms I talk to wouldn't allow their kids to run around barefoot in a splash pad because of that reason. Along with that as well. My son, when he heard about a splash pad, oh my gosh, we're getting a splash pad. He didn't sit there with all these requirements and things he wants and things he wants to see. He's happy we have something because he knows he's lived here long enough to see that we don't have much. The last thing I want to say is I keep hearing so much about where did the $5,000 go that the mothers raised, fundraised. That's awesome they did that. It went towards the shade. We had to pick up the remaining balance of that $5,000 went to it and then the remainder we had to pick up and pay that remainder. We're not paying the whole thing. The $5,000 is going to it and we're picking up the extra cost because it is so costly. I just want to say I'm grateful that we're starting somewhere. I'm grateful to have something in this town because I've lived here long enough to love that at least we're adding something to move forward in the future and I want to thank staff and just end. and on a very grateful note that at least we have something. People might not like that, but that's the kind of personality that I have. Thank you, commissioners.

Voice Dhear it at 7:32:10

Thank you, Courtney. Phone?

Voice Ehear it at 7:32:13

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Mhear it at 7:32:20

Can you hear me now?

Voice Dhear it at 7:32:21

Yes, I can.

Voice Mhear it at 7:32:23

All right. Thank you.

Voice Dhear it at 7:32:24

Can I hear your name?

Voice Lhear it at 7:32:27

Bruce shots and jail HNS and I just wanted to state that you guys really should be embarrassed by what the end result is it's actually it's pretty ugly and it seems like it's pretty far out from what the scope of the project was initially designed to be so

Voice Mhear it at 7:32:49

I think that the people deserve a little bit of accountability on this. We need to know and we demand that you guys look into this and provide a report on this to the people who made all the decisions on this. And let's reevaluate this on whether this person, whoever made the decisions, deserves to be in this position anymore. Um, if you guys sweep this under the carpet, it's not going to be good for you because it's already on the record now. So I'm just going to ask you nicely do a report, put a report together on this before you make any other decisions on this thing. We got a lot of things that need to be cleared up on this because somebody's not being straight here and we need clarity. And I'll end it there. Thank you.

Voice Dhear it at 7:33:39

Thank you, Bruce. Come on down, Tammy.

Voice Fhear it at 7:33:46

Tammy Pittman, P-I-T-M-A-N. This is the equivalent of being told you're going to get your first car and then somebody gives you a skateboard.

Voice Ohear it at 7:33:59

It was supposed to be, I think, eight water features. Well, they they're counting each of the holes in the floor as a water feature. No, that's one water feature. And I hear the lady who spoke before me about her children. But honestly, that's having that mentality that it's at least it's something people could get away with murder.

Voice Fhear it at 7:34:24

They could charge you $100,000 for a loaf of bread and you could say, I'm happy that I have something. So I think that train of thought doesn't really work. Anyway, I think we've been sold a bill of goods. I agree there needs to be accountability. I don't think it should be Mr. Martinez who does that because he unfortunately is entirely too close to the project and I am very worried about him being in charge of pickleball courts and soccer fields after having seen this. Thank you.

Voice Dhear it at 7:34:56

Thank you, Danny. Any more on the phone?

Voice Ehear it at 7:35:01

Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Mhear it at 7:35:08

Hello, Commissioner. Michael David Garcia, GARCIA. What was that? Hello?

Voice Ehear it at 7:35:03

muted please speak and spell your name for the record

Voice Phear it at 7:35:08

Hello, Commissioner. Michael David Garcia, D-A-R-C-I-A. What was that? Hello?

Voice Phear it at 7:35:20

Oh, thank you. Thank you. So I am coming through. I didn't understand the Excel there. Anyhow, I just wanted to point out, Michael David Garcia, G-A-R-C-I-A, wanted to point out that it's really not a labor issue, it's an administrative issue, and it's quite obvious who approved this project every step of the way. Y'all were directly involved, so to try to kick the can of responsibility and accountability down the hill kind of. blows up in your face a little bit but um what i'd like to know is uh where's the department head y'all are paying a department head and i've never seen him what's all that about why don't we start there any answers why haven't we heard from why haven't we seen him you got a department head and you're trying to uh you know hang out The supervision has to dry a little bit, don't you think? So once again, if we fail to address it, you know, y'all are just ignoring it, right? Let's go pull up the bootstrap. It's beyond the slash pad. It's a pattern and tendency. It keeps playing over and over and over and over and over. Okay? Let's go. Where's the department head? Why haven't we seen them? What are we paying them for, folks? Y'all approved this every step of the way. Own it. Wear it. Come on. Y'all are a little too clean when it comes to misappropriation. Let's go. Should we decorate it for you? Is my time up? Can you still hear me? Are you there? Is the DA chiming in? Hello? That discretionary opinion? Is it educational? Is it for the people or is it for y'all? I'm sorry. Subject matter jurisdiction, I got your tongue again. Let's go, folks. Y'all got to write your own rules that are contrary or repugnant to all accountability and responsibility. Let's own it. Where you at? How am I doing on my timer? Anybody tell me how much more time I got? Sheriff, you want to criminalize the expression of the First Amendment? Is this a crime? Is it a crime to talk about?

Voice Dhear it at 7:38:10

Michael, your time's up. Thank you. Susie, come on down.

Voice Ghear it at 7:38:24

Susie here at HRTV. I'm just reading this item and I'm a little confused because it says we're to discuss possible funding source for installation of additional fencing along curb and driveway closest to the splash pad. I think if I understood things correctly, Jimmy discussed that it's already been done.

Voice Fhear it at 7:38:50

So, it's a little confusing here. I'm hoping that you will be discussing after our public comment, at least. It would have been nice to have it before the public comment what those possible funding sources are. It's not clear. Thank you.

Voice Dhear it at 7:39:11

Anyone on the phone?

Voice Dhear it at 7:39:15

Ashley. Hi. Ashley Coning, K-O-N.

Voice Khear it at 7:39:22

You'd think I would work here, know what I'm doing. Ashley Coning, K-O-N-I-N-G. I'm also a mom in this community. My son is almost of age to start having his own kids and I would have loved to have this when my son was growing up and when I start having grandkids, which hopefully not too soon. I will absolutely take my grandkids here. It does not look like a prison. They can only do so much with so much money. I don't know where they think this money comes from, but they all want everything for nothing. If you guys gave everyone in this community $1,000 today, they would complain that you didn't give them $2,000.

Voice Qhear it at 7:40:05

It's ridiculous. It is absolutely disgusting and they should be embarrassed of how they're acting over this, not us, not the town or the county for putting this in for our kids. If you don't like it, don't go to it. Plain and simple.

Voice Dhear it at 7:40:24

Thank you. Anybody on the phone?

Voice Dhear it at 7:40:28

I'll close public comment. I'm assuming there's nobody up there, Commissioner.

Voice Rhear it at 7:40:37

Go ahead, finish chair. There's a three second delay here and I know we keep interrupting, but go ahead chair if you hit something.

Voice Dhear it at 7:40:48

No, I'm just checking to make sure you have no public comment up there.

Voice Rhear it at 7:40:52

No, no public comment here in Tonopah.

Voice Shear it at 7:40:55

I just want to know, Commissioner Jabor, wouldn't you love to have a splash pad in Tonopah?

Voice Rhear it at 7:41:03

Well, I think so. We do have a pool, very nice pool. Unfortunately, school has started and now the kids are all back to school, so we had a very short window. But if I could... And thank you, Commissioner. But if I could, Cherick, if I could.

Voice Dhear it at 7:41:22

Go right ahead

Voice Rhear it at 7:41:24

Thank you. So Jimmy Martinez and his staff, they've really taken some punches here and they work very hard throughout Pahrump on the grounds, throughout Pahrump. And they've done some really nice things for the community. Um, I won't disagree. This splash pad does not look impressive and I was very critical a few meetings ago. However, we need to press on and I will apologize because I was critical before we saw the finished product. And so it's about safety right now for me, for the children. Jimmy and I met a few Fridays ago. I called him after hours. He was home with his family. He met me there within 15 minutes at the area, and we walked it. And Jimmy, I want to say I saw you came back up and thank you. The aerial...

Voice Ahear it at 7:42:35

photograph is from what I see is not actually accurate if we take and I'm also

Voice Bhear it at 7:42:53

addressing the public in chambers, those who are watching, and the other, my fellow commissioners. So if you could bear with me here, there is that blue fence where you clearly see a gate that's blocking the entrance to the splash pad. That's an option that I was not in favor of, but it was an option. We have to give options.

Voice Rhear it at 7:43:21

My main concern was the immediate top left corner there of the splash pad where the yellow meets the pavement. As children come out, they're soaked, the water's coming off of their brow, their forehead, and they're wiping their eyes. They don't see mommy sitting on the bench who's actually taking care of little Johnny. And they make an immediate left. And without that long fence there that needs to navigate, by the way, Jimmy, which I don't see, and it may be just because of the ink has blurred. There is the HP ramp.

Voice Bhear it at 7:44:03

That allows people to come up with their in and out with their scooter, wheelchair, crutches, what have you, so we're compliant with that. But that was the premise was to have that long fence alongside of that driveway and we see a car. You see a car coming. And so thank you for putting that there, Jimmy, in the rendition because that's exactly what I'm talking about. We're talking about six, seven feet of the excitement, the adrenaline of the children, and that's what I'm trying to prevent, preventive maintenance, and safety to stop them from getting hit or injured or tripping even over, and so I'm sorry that.

Voice Rhear it at 7:44:53

I didn't catch it quick enough. I know that Marianne Hollis, for example, from the onset, continued to say that this was along the street. This was along the street is where it was placed. So it's not finished yet. I appreciate that the shade is finally on order. I appreciate that you found some funds to complement the $5,000 that was raised by the mothers that are so anxiously waiting to bring their toddlers, their children to the splash pad. And we walked it, the filtration system, it's phenomenal. That's great. For the reclamation of the water, we're always trying to figure out ways to conserve the water. One of the other concerns commissioners and public was the view from the playground to the splash pad where they can't see their children because of privacy fencing and that was an easy fix as Mr. Martinez and I discussed to remove that privacy fencing and they could see they're not really going to be able to see clearly children blend in with each other, right? And they'll need some binoculars for that. But my proposal is to try to find some funding for the long fencing, remove that option A. So it's clear vision for once all of the benches are put in place. And again, I'll apologize to me that the two benches, I chuckled. I mean, you know I chuckled and said, that's two mothers with two big beach bags and maybe two kids while the other kids are inside. There's no shade structure. They're going to get burnt as they're taking their kids to have some relief from the sun. And again, I will apologize because it wasn't finished. I know the grand opening was postponed. And so are we happy with the design? No. But we've spent a lot of money and we're at the point of no return. And we have to find a little more money to put up the fencing. If the other commissioners agree, and of course we're not taking a vote right now,

Voice Rhear it at 7:47:21

we're going to help direct staff. And that's why I'm giving all of this information because the rendition doesn't show the canopies, the proposed canopies in the future for the future build out. And so I appreciate. I appreciate, Jimmy, what you and your staff have done, what you're doing, but I think you can also appreciate how the public feels with their disappointment in the three quarters semi. completed project that that's this is not what their expectations were and and so I will turn it over to back to you Jimmy and back to the chair if you guys want to continue discussion what

Voice Dhear it at 7:48:10

Thank you, Commissioner. Let's get to the subject funding for the initial.

Voice Shear it at 7:48:15

Can I, can I ask a question?

Voice Dhear it at 7:48:18

Go right ahead.

Voice Shear it at 7:48:18

No, Chair, Commissioner DeBoer. I like option B and option A, but I would think that if we took away the opaque, that means not see-through fencing, and option A would allow that fencing to then exist for the separation for the kids. Because I know you've raised a daughter, and I've got a ton of grandkids and two great-grandchildren. I would like to see this center fence, option A, but make it so you can see through it because if you can close the gate, it takes a while for a child to open the gate so the parent can see there's action there and they're not like trying to stop, you know, it's a deterrent for a parent to be able to have a catch point, if you will, and so. I like option A if it weren't opaque so that parents have a way to keep the kids in that area is my opinion. Thank you, Chair.

Voice Rhear it at 7:49:27

And may I, Chair?

Voice Dhear it at 7:49:30

Go right ahead, sir.

Voice Rhear it at 7:49:31

Thank you, Commissioner Strickland. I appreciate the conversation here.

Voice Bhear it at 7:49:39

So if that was to happen, if you go back to option B, if you go back to option B and you can count there's approximately seven, eight ballots. My point of this is once they're past that gate, if that trench was to be put up and you were to agree with option A. It does not prevent any of the children from running through those ballards onto the street where the vehicles come back and forth.

Voice Shear it at 7:50:12

10-4. Can we have both options without the opaque is my request.

Voice Rhear it at 7:50:19

It could be, it could, of course anything is possible, Commissioner Strickland, and we're trying to be sensitive with the funding and the source, so if you were to do a 90 degree with that fence, that's half of the cost, I believe they already have the materials for most of it. And then if you look at the backside. of where it's highlighted blue behind the benches, that's where that actual fence could actually go. So it's a larger play area where it doesn't look, as somebody said, like a prison yard. And I only know what those look like from the movies, by the way.

Voice Shear it at 7:51:12

So are you now stating that Option A's fencing should be at the Could farm,

Voice Shear it at 7:51:20

the shade, behind the shade.

Voice Lhear it at 7:51:24

Correct. Where the chat, you see where the chat ends,

Voice Lhear it at 7:51:29

there would be more benches.

Voice Rhear it at 7:51:32

And if that fence went all the way to that end, it's a very large play area. And I believe eventually the chat will go away because chat mixed with water

Voice Ghear it at 7:51:45

work. My point,

Voice Rhear it at 7:51:46

and the clay will really, we will really see the cost through the filtration system so that doesn't.

Voice Ahear it at 7:51:57

That doesn't work.

Voice Shear it at 7:51:58

Another good reason for the fence in the center, but I'd love to hear some costs. Chair, I don't know if, Jimmy, if you have any idea, Ms. Manager Martinez, what the costs would be on these two options.

Voice Dhear it at 7:52:12

We need to hear from Jimmy on cost and then we need to hear from Jennifer Fanning on where the money is going to come from.

Voice Thear it at 7:52:20

So with the cost with option A with this in front of the splash pad, we already have that material. We would just install it for option B running along the ballards. It's an estimate of $5,000, maybe a little more depending on if we go with the privacy fence or just open fence. And then if Commissioner Jabbour wants to go across the chat on the north end at the end of the ballards you know it'd be a little bit more to add in a fence and then a gated area and that would all be done by staff in-house to keep more costs

Voice Dhear it at 7:52:57

much is a

Voice Dhear it at 7:52:58

little bit more?

Voice Thear it at 7:53:02

depending on the feets We should hit maybe another thousand more just in just because I know we have some material but not to run that full stretch

Voice Bhear it at 7:53:13

So, correct me if I'm wrong, Commissioner DeBoer, but I think what Commissioner DeBoer was talking about was instead of installing the fence, option A fence, where it's shown here, we would just move that fence back to behind.

Voice Ahear it at 7:53:32

So if you have the material for A, that shouldn't be an extra cost.

Voice Thear it at 7:53:35

Well, yeah, for two, the one with the Ballards is a longer run, but if he wants privacy, then we'll have to get more of that and that takes a while to come in. If he wants just regular train link, then we can put that in.

Voice Rhear it at 7:53:51

The privacy was not my concern. The safety is absolutely my concern,

Voice Rhear it at 7:53:59

so I know that that privacy fencing is a little more expensive and that was the rendition that you did.

Voice Uhear it at 7:54:10

I don't believe that it was that it was a concern for the parents either. I know they brought up some some legitimate concerns to be able to see their children and they'll absolutely be able to see their children and know that their children will be safe whether they're at the playground and we're not the babysitters by the way.

Voice Rhear it at 7:54:31

That they're going to be at the playground watching their little Johnny over at the splash pad, which is 100 yards away. So there has to be, you know, ground rules, and I appreciate we can clearly see there was a comment a few meetings ago that there were no rules and regulations. But you can clearly see on the other side of the ballot there and the fence line, there's rules and regulations, actually quite a bit of rules and regulations, and I'm not sure.

Voice Bhear it at 7:54:48

That there were no rules and regulations, but you can clearly see on the other side of the ballot there and the fence line there's rules and regulations, actually quite a bit of rules and regulations and I'm not sure everybody will read those Jimmy, but but they are there for precautionary measures, so thank you for that.

Voice Hhear it at 7:55:14

That's just two really quick benign questions. I'm just curious as to what you're hearing. What's this thing on the ground? Is that just like an activator or something? The little green thing on the ground?

Voice Vhear it at 7:55:22

Yeah, it's a push-button activator.

Voice Hhear it at 7:55:23

So they step on it and then this thing?

Voice Vhear it at 7:55:25

You actually push it. It's on the top part. You push it, and it activates for 12 minutes.

Voice Hhear it at 7:55:29

And then it's not an ashtray, is it? What is that other thing? The green thing? Looks like an ashtray. Hope it's not an ashtray, right?

Voice Vhear it at 7:55:35

In the far corner, that's the activator button.

Voice Hhear it at 7:55:37

Oh, so it's the same thing?

Voice Hhear it at 7:55:39

And then does it shut off at a certain time or no?

Voice Vhear it at 7:55:41

It shuts off after 12 minutes.

Voice Hhear it at 7:55:43

No, I mean can you come in like 3 in the morning and turn it off? I'm just curious.

Voice Vhear it at 7:55:46

It's set for the time that we have for the splash Whatever pool.

Voice Hhear it at 7:55:49

you have. Okay. Thank you.

Voice Dhear it at 7:55:54

So it looks like we're looking for $5,000 or $6,000.

Voice Ehear it at 7:55:57

So the Jennifer Fanning FANNIG town finance manager, I spoke with Jimmy and we've decided to pull the funding from the AdValorum account. We have $75,000 in there that's unallocated this year.

Voice Whear it at 7:56:12

So that's where we pull from just to be able to save it out of his buildings and grounds budget so it doesn't pull from theirs.

Voice Dhear it at 7:56:17

Okay, good. Thank you.

Voice Shear it at 7:56:19

Can I ask a question?

Voice Dhear it at 7:56:21

Go right ahead.

Voice Shear it at 7:56:22

Pools. We have a nice little fat fund for pools. And this is a town wet property. I don't know.

Voice Whear it at 7:56:30

Well the pool falls into a different budget because it falls under the pool district.

Voice Shear it at 7:56:33

Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Ms. Fannie.

Voice Ahear it at 7:56:37

Can I just add something?

Voice Ahear it at 7:56:40

is just mainly for Jimmy and his staff. A lot of things were said that I think were a little overboard about Jimmy and his abilities and his staff and his abilities. Again, when this project was brought up and cost estimates were made, were several years ago and costs have not quite possibly doubled but they're dang close and nobody knows obviously in this audience how many hours Jimmy puts into his job and how many hours his staff works we know we And like Commissioner Jabor mentioned, you can call Jimmy, I've called him at nine o'clock at night when

Voice Ahear it at 7:57:34

there's something going on at a park and he's there within minutes. So I would like to apologize to Jimmy on behalf and his staff of some of the comments that were made by the public. I understand the disappointment with what we've ended up with, but we've ended up with what we had the means to do and, you know. Obviously, it would be nice to have the tax dollars and I guess the higher taxes in Las Vegas and Clark County and Henderson and have the ability to do the parks or to have the developers do the parks because that's actually who puts those in in Henderson. It's the developer that builds the subdivision. So Jimmy, I want to say thank you for your hard work.

Voice Dhear it at 7:58:29

So are we done now or what?

Voice Shear it at 7:58:32

We did a good job. We got a report in. Dave, we gave. Timmy, thank you.

Voice Dhear it at 7:58:37

We can't vote on that thing so.

Voice Ahear it at 7:58:38

No, I know. So the direction just to be clear. Is to install the fence behind the Ballards, put

Voice Ahear it at 7:58:46

a fence across the back, the Option A fence across the back behind the benches, and add some benches and add shade over the benches. Is that correct?

Voice Dhear it at 7:58:56

Sounds right. If you're going to add benches, does that add to the cost?

Voice Vhear it at 7:59:00

We have benches that we can put out to save on costs. We have aluminum.

Voice Dhear it at 7:59:04

No, we got on five or six grand coming out of that bed builder. Okay. Thank you.

Voice Rhear it at 7:59:10

Thank you, Jimmy. Thank you, Commissioners. Thank you, everybody in chambers and on the phone.

Voice Ahear it at 7:59:26

To let them 15, for possible action, discussion and deliberation to adopt, amend and adopt or reject Town of Pahrump Resolution No. 2026-01, a resolution dissolving the Pahrump Veterans Memorial Advisory Committee.

Voice Bhear it at 7:59:42

Like I said, I don't like the way it's written because the committee remains, it just becomes... ad hoc committee instead so public comment go

Voice Chear it at 7:59:54

Chair, if I may, I'd like to address.

Voice Bhear it at 7:59:58

right ahead we

Voice Bhear it at 8:00:00

I was going to get to that but let me close

Voice Chear it at 8:00:03

might answer some questions before

Voice Chear it at 8:00:06

So my department administers this public body and because it was. established through a resolution through the town, it needs to be dissolved in that same manner and if you read in the resolution it shows that they're not going away, they're going to be at an ad hoc status. Their purpose isn't changing. Their when they meet, how they meet, where they meet isn't changing, but their function doesn't require them to adhere to the definition of a public body per NRS and follow the open meeting law because they they have a barbecue once a year and they talk to Jimmy when they need to and there's no need to involve you know all the processes that go along with maintaining a public body

Voice Bhear it at 8:01:05

Thank you. So no public comment. We'll close public comment.

Voice Dhear it at 8:01:11

Sure, I'd like to make a motion to adopt Nye County Resolution 2026-01.

Voice Bhear it at 8:01:19

Do I have a second?

Voice Ehear it at 8:01:22

The board seconds.

Voice Bhear it at 8:01:23

I have a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye.

Voice Ahear it at 8:01:37

Item 16, for possible action, discussion and deliberation to adopt, amend and adopt, or reject the counterprompt resolution number 2026-02, a resolution amending the fire and ambulance fee structure for Pahrump Valley Fire and Rescue Service.

Voice Bhear it at 8:01:55

Good morning, Commissioner Scott Lewis, L-E-W-I-S.

Voice Chear it at 8:01:59

County Product Fire Chief. Before you today is something that has needed to be done for the past several years. The last time we actually addressed this particular issue was around 2018. We are well behind the average in southern Nevada and actually portions of central and northern Nevada, so we really needed to get this facelift underway. I just want to remind you that the majority of this increases are not borne by our citizens, but are borne by the insurance companies that provide the coverage. In addition to that, there are auto policies and other commercial policies out there that provide the monies that we're seeking. And in many cases, we still don't get reimbursed by them and we work with the DA's office in order to try to recoup the monies that and that's really what this is, is cost recovery. Because we're providing the services, yet there are many that aren't paying for what they need to do. And we, in turn, our citizens end up paying the expenses for products like F-500 on lithium ion battery fires. So I ask that you approve this today. I'm available for any questions. I have my computer if you want to know some stats on EMS calls, anything along that line. Just let me know what you would like.

Voice Dhear it at 8:03:12

Great, thank you.

Voice Ehear it at 8:03:12

The chair please

Voice Bhear it at 8:03:16

Thank you. Chief, I do have a question, please. On your fee schedule, on your fee schedule, and I know you'll clarify, but according to the fee schedule, if a motor vehicle is responsible and under the fee schedule, it's at fault driver.

Voice Ehear it at 8:03:41

And they get in an accident with a hazmat vehicle. Are they going to be responsible for double the charges because of the vehicles that are going to have to come out and respond and the vehicle that's actually been in the accident?

Voice Chear it at 8:03:59

It could be. So if they're involved in a hazardous material spill or incident, that's where the hazardous material comes into effect. It's not the fact that it's just involved with a truck that's hauling, but it's the respect to the cleanup and the mitigation from an emergency standpoint at the scene. So a roadway can be reopened, a rescue can be affected, whatever it might be, sir.

Voice Ahear it at 8:04:23

Yes, but so the could be is probable because if they're an at-fault driver, they're responsible for the cleanup costs, etc., and then the damages, extensive damages that may occur.

Voice Chear it at 8:04:38

I think that's a fair statement, yes.

Voice Ahear it at 8:04:41

Okay. Chief, thank you for clarifying. Thank you, Chair.

Voice Fhear it at 8:04:48

Sure, just a quick question. Could we is it possible to incorporate like BLM fees or like state fees so we just have them automatically? Did that like imagine they do it every year? How does it work with the other jurisdictions? Do you know?

Voice Chear it at 8:05:00

Yeah, so those federal partners that you just mentioned, they have their own separate agreements, and they're determined annually, and so they're separate and distinct. That's why they're not specifically listed there, because we would have to come forth with a resolution. each time so when we come to you with the amended let's say BLM fee schedules and we provide service to them you'll have that all written in a document preceding

Voice Fhear it at 8:05:25

So we can't just incorporate so automatically that we can't we can't do that

Voice Chear it at 8:05:29

you could make a statement but it changes so much per year depending what the reimbursement schedules are and quite frankly like BLM and the US Forest are changing their names

Voice Fhear it at 8:05:39

So just be too chaotic.

Voice Chear it at 8:05:40

It would be a much more of a work process than is necessary for

Voice Fhear it at 8:05:47

just thinking it's like eight years later, I'm just thinking so we don't have to keep doing all just minimizing some of the stuff. But if it's not realistic, then thank

Voice Chear it at 8:05:53

Yeah, it's just difficult because they change the game pretty much each year.

Voice Dhear it at 8:06:01

Is there a public comment on this? Anyone on the phone?

Voice Ghear it at 8:06:07

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Hhear it at 8:06:14

Yes, Chair and Commissioners, Bruce Shawson, J-O-H-N-S-O-N. I actually just have a few questions. First one is, what is the constitutional and statutory authority for imposing each fee? Second, has the public been given sufficient transparency to understand exactly how these costs were calculated? Third, has the people been given a meaningful opportunity to participate before the decision is made? The Nevada Constitution reminds us of all political power is inherent in people and the government exists for their equal benefit public office is a public trust that means every dollar that is collected from the people should be justified by lawful authority and open accountability not just administrative convenience

Voice Chear it at 8:07:12

And I'll land it there.

Voice Dhear it at 8:07:15

Thank you. Any further, any more phone calls?

Voice Ghear it at 8:07:19

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ihear it at 8:07:25

Is this item 18? I'm sorry, I just got back on the line.

Voice Dhear it at 8:07:30

No, it's not, Amy.

Voice Ihear it at 8:07:33

Thank you. I'm sorry about that.

Voice Dhear it at 8:07:35

It's okay. Yes, sir

Voice Chear it at 8:07:42

William Lovegren, L-O-V-E-G-R-E-N. I haven't got to look at all the backup in regards to this. So my question for you is this. If you're doing hazmat, what are you considering hazmat? Are you considering coolant, diesel fuel, fuel, oil?

Voice Bhear it at 8:08:01

What is your hazmat that you guys are considering as a standard for this? Number two, if this is having to do also for response and everything else, I know that he needs more paramedics and that he doesn't have advanced life support as well in this county. The reason why I know that is because my dad just had to be life-flighted.

Voice Chear it at 8:08:26

from Desert View Hospital to Summerlin, and he passed away. So I understand the response time from Basin here to over where I live in District 5 is 30 minutes, and he has a station there, Station 3, that's not manned. They have equipment there, but it's not manned 24-7, which I understand in regards to his needs for more people. My thing is that if you're going to start doing this, what types of hazmat are you talking about? Are you talking about the hazmats that are being transported that he's going to need foam and everything else for? Are you talking about just incidental spills? Are we talking about stuff that's going to be also in the dirt because you're talking about BLM and federal partners? Where are you talking about? Where is this all going? Those are my questions. Thank you.

Voice Dhear it at 8:09:25

Thank you. Any more phone?

Voice Dhear it at 8:09:30

Any more public comment? Seeing none, I will close public comment. Chief?

Voice Chear it at 8:09:36

Would you like me to answer those questions?

Voice Ehear it at 8:09:38

If you want them.

Voice Chear it at 8:09:39

Sure. So a prompt fire rescue is an all hazard, all risk department. So no matter what the type of hazmat is, we respond to it. If it's a pure cleanup, the commercial carrier would be responsible for their cleanup and we would monitor it. And if there is anything from diesel fueled oils, anything along those lines, if it's an emergent issue, we take care of it right then and there so we can affect rescue. It's a life. life safety issue more than anything else and lithium-ion as as we've talked about in the past is probably or one of our biggest challenges and we handle that emergency on 95 like we would anything else that occurs in the town the other perspective we are an ALS service there was a mention of a lifelight so Desview Hospital determines how a patient is transported in our facility If they feel it's necessary, clearly our paramedic team would handle that. If they require flight, that's their decision also that is made by the ER physician. I hope that answers the questions.

Voice Dhear it at 8:10:42

Thank you. Borg?

Voice Jhear it at 8:10:44

Chair, I'd like to make a motion to adopt my county, or excuse me, town of Primp resolution number 2026-02.

Voice Dhear it at 8:10:55

Motion and a second call for the vote.

Voice Chear it at 8:10:59

Thank you, Commissioners.

Voice Dhear it at 8:11:01

What's that? Five minute comfort break. Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to reconvene here. Number 18, please.

Voice Ahear it at 6:46:19

Item 17, consent agenda items. These are items that staff recommend for approval. The board reserves the right to move any consent agenda item to the regular segment of the agenda should issues arise that need to be addressed. Discussion of any item from consent agenda items that needs review before a decision is made. This is 17.1. 17.2, 17.3, and 17.4.

Voice Bhear it at 6:46:54

Is there any public comment on the consent agenda? Seeing then, I'll close public comment.

Voice Chear it at 6:47:02

Anybody on the phone?

Voice Bhear it at 6:47:03

Anybody on the phone? Sorry.

Voice Chear it at 6:47:06

The chair would like to make one group. All items as written.

Voice Bhear it at 6:47:10

motion to have a second motion

Voice Dhear it at 6:47:15

to board seconds

Voice Bhear it at 6:47:17

in a second any comment from the board nothing call for the vote is

Voice Bhear it at 6:47:25

a county guy okay now we can go back to the agenda make everybody happy Item number oh we did six yesterday. I want to do that again. Item number seven

Voice Ahear it at 8:11:23

Item 18, for possible action, discussion and deliberation to approve reorganization plan proposed for the office of the Nye County District Attorney and authorization to fill open positions and previously approved hiring for paralegal position funded from the risk fund.

Voice Bhear it at 8:11:47

If I could, I just had a discussion with the comptroller and I think there's some issues that was not explained to me with regards to some of these positions in my office. So what I need to do is ask that this be pulled so I can, let's just pull it then I can reset it so that I can get with the comptroller and work through. everything that I need to get in place before I can bring this back to the board.

Voice Ahear it at 8:12:18

So, DA, would you like it continued to the next agenda, the 18th? Because I know there's some time sensitive.

Voice Dhear it at 8:12:31

motion to continue the

Voice Ehear it at 8:12:32

couldn't you just pull, is it possible we just ask the public to wait until then so we don't just have the same conversation twice if they're willing to? I know we have to legally do it and we don't make a motion this way. He just puts it up. Is there a different, do you see what I mean? So it's not the whole process. I'm just hoping maybe the public will understand and say the same thing twice.

Voice Fhear it at 8:12:47

Problem is we don't know what it's going to look like. You can talk public comment now on this, but this could be entirely different when it comes back next time.

Voice Fhear it at 8:12:55

Up to you. Public comment, anybody? We're talking. All right.

Voice Ghear it at 8:13:10

My name is Nancy Yanda, Y-A-N-D-A, and I'm just saying for this agenda to even come up. total retaliation against Michelle and I think it's uncalled for. Shouldn't be happening at all.

Voice Hhear it at 8:13:42

Robert Thomas, T-H-O-M-A-S.

Voice Fhear it at 8:13:47

Two matters. I'd invite the district attorney to take a good look with the comptroller on that because this reorganization, as far as being efficient for the county, is long overdue, point one. Point two, I retired as a senior DA4 in Northern California. Everybody knows California ain't cheap. I did not make anywhere near what these deputies are making. So I think the board and the CAO needs to take a good look when they come up to negotiate salaries as to what is a reasonable salary for these individuals. And of course, I take a look at this and I would urge the DA, despite the recent case or campaign, to consider Ms. Nelson as a line deputy. I think she needs the experience and I think that this is the perfect place to give it to her. Thank you. Thank you. Next, anyone on the phone?

Voice Ihear it at 8:15:12

Yes, Chair, there is a call. There are calls on the phone. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Jhear it at 8:15:21

Hi, this is Paula Thompson, T-H-O-M-P-S-O-N. Since it's going to be moved to the 18th, I think I'll go ahead and hold my comments until then. Thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 8:15:31

Okay, thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 8:15:34

Come on down.

Voice Hhear it at 8:15:40

Stephen Pittman, P-I-T-M-A-N. Not too long ago, the DA was asking for more employees, and in an even more recent meeting, the comments were about lack of funding. I'm not sure that was all settled. The DA is responsible for the management of his budget, yet he has wasted almost $120,000 this year alone. This is due to totally untapped resource at his disposal that he has chosen to willfully ignore. Sadly, HR is aware and has done nothing about it. I'm referring to Deputy DA Nelson. Since her announcement to run for DA, she's been totally sidelined. Her standing daily duties were stripped and all email requesting review has gone silent. Deputy DA Nelson should be the one reviewing ordinances and contracts. Both are in her wheelhouse. This puts the county in a bad spot and a total waste of talent and experience. This is an obvious retaliatory measure. My wife is an HR professional, and she sees a very expensive EEOC lawsuit, one that would likely not be settled and therefore a huge expense to the county. HR needs to conduct an in-depth investigation with both chief deputies regarding the inner workings of the DA's office to get the full story. The DA is already advertising for a replacement he is asking for even before he has approval. Thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 8:17:13

Thank you, sir. On the phone.

Voice Ihear it at 8:17:16

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Hhear it at 8:17:22

Hello, Chair, Commissioners, and Mr. Brian Kinsey, Mr. Attorney. I got a question for you. Is it not true that the NRS statute clearly

Voice Fhear it at 8:17:35

states, Please name

Voice Fhear it at 8:17:35

name who is. Stoutson, there you go. Thank you.

Voice Hhear it at 8:17:38

Ed Michelle. Sorry about that. Isn't that true that the NRS statutes from, what, 1879 stipulate that two taxpayers in the community can bring forth an affidavit in order to initiate a grand jury that actually the district court has to move forward to and process? in order to not be a maladministration maybe clear that up for me I yield thank you

Voice Fhear it at 8:18:11

Thank you. Come on down.

Voice Ghear it at 8:18:20

Julia Mousal, M-U-S-A-L-L.

Voice Lhear it at 8:18:27

Everybody knows this is retaliation against Michelle Nelson. She ran against her boss and he did not like it. He has proposed that you take the two chief positions and combine it into one as an assistant. Why? When he's asking for funds for additional positions. Also, I don't know if this commission is aware, but one of his staff members threatened to hit Michelle over the head with a bottle if she won. Mr.

Voice Mhear it at 8:19:18

Did nothing about it. That's a threat.

Voice Ahear it at 8:19:23

Excuse me, Chair. This is inappropriate comment at this time, and if that comment is true, needs to be directed to the sheriff.

Voice Mhear it at 8:19:32

Okay, well, thank you very much, because it was addressed with the sheriff. And you know what he said? There's no threat. Really?

Voice Lhear it at 8:19:42

Are you kidding me?

Voice Ahear it at 8:19:43

Again, this isn't part of this agenda,

Voice Ahear it at 8:19:46

sir. No, it's not, ma

Voice Ahear it at 8:19:47

No, it is not.

Voice Ahear it at 8:19:49

it is not.

Voice Fhear it at 8:19:53

On the phone.

Voice Ihear it at 8:19:56

The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ohear it at 8:20:03

Hello, Commissioners. Michael David Garcia, GARCIA. Can you hear me okay?

Voice Ohear it at 8:20:12

Thank you. Thank you. I'm just kind of curious, what legal authority does the county clerk have to suppress the Speaker's First Amendment rights? Doesn't the objection need to come through the board? I mean, can anybody object to the speech of a speaker? What part of the First Amendment are we protecting? Is there any at all? Let me talk about prosecuting a ham sandwich. What about the special prosecutors? You know, that's usually what we get when we like somebody, isn't it? I don't understand it. Look at the budgets with the schools, with y'all, with the own department. Look at the internal emails from the sheriff's department. There's a complete. complete administrative breakdown it's a complete collapse when it comes to the violation of civil rights you know it's all discretionary and it's in its own full stage you know talk about you know falling in your own traps it's happening you know very well happening you know this guy's been on the wrong side of Chevron for his whole career and it's popping up You know, y'all really need to put them in check. I don't know who the dog is and who the tail is around here, but y'all need to start taking control of your meetings, you know, and talk about inappropriate. Is it protected free speech? Maybe you ought to start worrying about that. Thank y'all.

Voice Ghear it at 8:21:45

Linda Clark, CLA RK. I don't know a whole lot about what's going on here, but I do seem to recall that this board didn't want to fire anybody or lose anybody or cut anybody's jobs out and we've had lots of departments that have gotten new people. So why would we get rid of somebody that's experienced in a department that we need help in to get rid of somebody to combine a job for two other people, if that's what they're doing? I don't know, but it doesn't make any sense that we're making somebody lose their job. to accommodate whatever's going on here and I haven't talked to Brian I don't know what's going on but I don't know I don't want anybody losing their job it doesn't make any sense and why I'm sure there's other places we can make cuts especially if he doesn't have the budget that he needs anyway is he doing it for budget cuts it seems like we can make cuts someplace else And yes, the salaries are very high here for this small little poor town, and that goes across the board of what people make here. So let's reconsider making someone lose their job that doesn't seem fair to them. What did they do wrong? Thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 8:23:20

Thank you on the phone

Voice Ihear it at 8:23:24

Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Hhear it at 8:23:30

Yes, Amy Nelson, N-E-L-S-O-N. I was waiting for this item. I'll be speaking on it on the 18th as well. There seems to be a lack of procedure in how a person is terminated. I thought there might be, you know, give her a warning, give her two warnings, she did something wrong. But that's not the case. The budget is not the case. They've got money to pay other corporations for service out of Las Vegas when they need them. So they certainly have the budget to maintain a person that has been with that department for I know at least 10 years.

Voice Jhear it at 8:24:19

Before he was even elected, and she's done a great job, she was in charge of many, many things and did a wonderful job and no complaints prior to the election. But now that there was competition, I don't think our president DA does a very good job when it comes to sharing.

Voice Hhear it at 8:24:43

And maybe, you know, he should work on that instead of firing people that don't deserve it and need their jobs because they live here, they have their homes here, they have their families here. It's not fair that he kicks her out of all the other people that he might fire. And besides, she's the one that needs to go, and the public knows her. In her campaign, she got to know people. So this kind of action is something people are not in favor of as much as the data center. So I hope he reconsiders his motion or his item before we get to the 18th. Thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 8:25:28

Thank you, Amy. Go ahead Dwight

Voice Hhear it at 8:25:32

Dwight Lily, L-I-L-I-Y. As a taxpayer, I see nothing but dollar signs going out the door here in our county that has financial issues if you commissioners approve this reorganization plan. The insecurities of the district attorney need to be taken into account here that he has an employee in his office. That was probably more qualified than him, in my opinion, to be the district attorney, and this is a threat. So this reorganization is nothing but a scheme. To try to eliminate what's perceived as a threat the purpose of the District Attorney or any of the people serving the taxpayers here should be To have the best qualified people in the positions they possibly can to do the duty to the work of the people We the people not to prop up people that are insecure in their position So I hope you guys as you consider budgets going forward everything Okay, this is going to come back to bite you if you approve this because there will be a lawsuit and I'm sure that when the dust is settled that we the people will be out money taxpayer money that could be put to better use. Thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 8:26:52

Thank you, Dwight. Phone?

Voice Fhear it at 8:26:56

Okay. Come on down.

Voice Ghear it at 8:27:01

Yolanda Maglee, M-A-G-L-E-Y. Good morning, commissioners. I'm here today because I am deeply concerned about this proposal to eliminate Michelle Nelson's position as part of these budget cuts. Whether intentional or not, the timing of this proposal raises serious questions and creates the appearance of political retaliation. Public confidence in our government has been sustained, has been strained very badly these past several months. And this proposal, you know, appears to further erode that trust. In my opinion, the proposal appears to be driven more by politics than by budgeting. I feel it is being used to reward allies.

Voice Lhear it at 8:27:53

punish political opponents based on personal grievances. Every county employee should be able to perform their job without fearing that running for public office could jeopardize their livelihood. I respectfully ask this board to carefully examine the basis for this proposal and ensure that any personal decisions are made fairly. and in the best interest of the people of Knight County. Thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 8:28:23

Thank you. Still no phone?

Voice Ihear it at 8:28:27

There is comment on the phone chair. If the caller is unmuted, please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ahear it at 8:28:34

Jim Bohannon, B-O-H-A-N-N-O-N. When it comes to budget and budget analysis, this is kind of the work I expect prior to budget season.

Voice Phear it at 8:28:46

Um, you know, the, the best way it appears, the appearance is not very good. The optics are terrible. And, you know, it's a little bit disappointing from my perspective to see that out there. Whether it's true or not, it's, it's a disappointing out there. From a budget standpoint, this kind of work I really expect to see before we get to budget season. You know, this is February, March work, not July, August work. So keep that in mind from a budget standpoint. But, you know, I'm a little bit disappointed in optics on this. Thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 8:29:30

Thank you, Susie.

Voice Ghear it at 8:29:36

Susie Hertz, AGR-TZ. It's really peculiar that after the budget for 26-27 has been established and is pretty much in the record book that we're suddenly looking at budgeting for another department and changing that budgeting. This is ill-timed.

Voice Fhear it at 8:29:59

Other people have expressed the fact that this seems politically motivated. Why can't everybody do their budget work before the budget starts, not after the budget has been set? I think this should be tabled, it should be put off, and it should be addressed at a later date, certainly not in the midst of an election.

Voice Lhear it at 8:30:25

That's abundantly clear that this is just not logical in any way, shape, or form. Please don't proceed with this. Thank you.

Voice Fhear it at 8:30:37

Thank you. Phone?

Voice Fhear it at 8:30:41

Okay. I will, is there any public comment up there, Commissioner? Turn the power.

Voice Fhear it at 8:30:48

Nope. All right, I'll close public comment. And did I get a motion to continue?

Voice Dhear it at 8:30:54

I did, but I will restate the motion to continue to the August 18th meeting.

Voice Fhear it at 8:30:59

Do I have a second?

Voice Ahear it at 8:31:02

Hold on one second, Commissioner, before a second. Brian, does the agenda item, do you think it needs to be rewritten or

Voice Dhear it at 8:31:12

Do you need time

Voice Ahear it at 8:31:13

do you think continuing this item as it's written?

Voice Ahear it at 8:31:08

Is the agenda item, do you think it needs to be rewritten or do

Voice Mhear it at 8:31:12

Do you need time for that?

Voice Ahear it at 8:31:13

you think continuing this item as it's written?

Voice Qhear it at 8:31:19

Actually, I think I really do need to sit down with a comptroller. Because of what I learned today was that I have two unfilled deputy positions, criminal positions, and what I was advised today was those positions actually have been taken out of my budget because they were unfilled and I was not advised of that. Um so that makes things more complicated for me that I need to work through um because my my thought with this is I would have three positions after this reorganization I would have three positions that I would have to fill the chief deputy and my two uh criminal positions. So I do think it's a little bit more complicated. That's why I think it probably is better

Voice Rhear it at 8:32:24

just let it die.

Voice Qhear it at 8:32:25

just let it die and then we will

Voice Rhear it at 8:32:26

Thank you, bring Chair.

Voice Qhear it at 8:32:27

it back with all the That details.

Voice Ahear it at 8:32:29

was why I was asking that question.

Voice Fhear it at 8:32:35

Where did you left somewhere? Where am I? I don't know where I am. I'm a sheriff, yeah, 19.

Voice Ahear it at 8:32:53

Item 19 for possible action. Discussion and deliberation to approve, amend and approve or reject an agreement with Esmeralda County for the housing of Esmeralda County inmates at the Nye County Detention Center. The agreement establishes the terms and conditions under which Nye County will provide secure detention services including inmate care, custody, housing, transportation, responsibility. responsibilities, medical services and reimbursement rates and I would just like to add that I have a couple of questions when it's appropriate for this item.

Voice Chear it at 8:33:33

Good morning again Sheriff Joe McGill. This is a renewal or a redraft or a...

Voice Bhear it at 8:33:43

Our previous MOU with the Esmeralda County had expired and it came to our attention that it was expired, so we had to reactivate it. This is so that Esmeralda can house their inmates in our detention center at a cost of $127.84 per inmate per day. That is well below the actual costs figuring in.

Voice Chear it at 8:34:11

I'm sorry, well above the actual costs figuring in food and medical and all of that. Any medical above and beyond what is statutorily mandated. would be handled in the same manner as our inmates are. They would either be referred to Medicaid or private physicians and paid by the inmate, so it's not going to affect really anything negatively.

Voice Dhear it at 8:34:50

Okay. Is there any public comment on this? What? You want to go first?

Voice Ahear it at 8:34:58

If you don't mind.

Voice Ahear it at 8:35:01

So, Sheriff, how did we come up with the daily rate?

Voice Chear it at 8:35:07

That is the daily rate which has been given to us from ICE prior to the termination of the ICE contract. That's what ICE was paying us.

Voice Ahear it at 8:35:18

Well, I don't know if you're aware, but I've been... Trying to get a meeting set up. I've been told ICE now pays either $3.25 or $3.50 a day, which is quite a bit different than back when we had that contract, you know,

Voice Ahear it at 8:35:36

wasn't obviously covering its expense. Then the other question I had was, and this is just hopefully a rumor. When we have, I know we still house inmates even today. We're just trying to get everything in order. But are those inmates transported by Esmeralda to the facility here in Pahrump, or are they only being transported to Tonopah, and then we are having to transport them down here to Pahrump.

Voice Chear it at 8:36:12

The agreement is that they will be transported by Esmeralda to Pahrump unless mutually agreed upon.

Voice Ahear it at 8:36:21

So if there's a mutually agreed upon we're going to transport, is there going to be some kind of upcharge for that transportation?

Voice Chear it at 8:36:30

It's not going to be a special trip because we have an Azmerelda inmate that was taken to Tonopah. If we are going to be coming down here anyway with a Nye County prisoner, we'll put the Azmerelda prisoner in the vehicle with that prisoner and bring them both down at the same time so it's not costing us anything extra. That was the intent behind that, unless mutually agreed upon.

Voice Ahear it at 8:36:58

Okay. Yeah, I personally think if we're going to be doing the transport, because that was my other question, if they've got to make an appearance in Esmeralda for court, who transports them from Pahrump to court?

Voice Chear it at 8:37:16

Again, Esmeralda, unless we are making a trip up there and we'll... kick him out of the courthouse and put him into play with the Esmeralda deputy. Again, no special trips because it is an Esmeralda inmate. However, I will qualify that with instruction has been given to the Tonopah staff. That the Esmeralda inmate will not be held in the Tonopah holding facility for days waiting for a trip. So in that case, if the inmate were to be there for 24 hours, we'll call Esmerelda and make them come get the guy and bring him down here.

Voice Ehear it at 8:38:11

Okay, thank you Thank you, Chair.

Voice Chear it at 8:38:15

Chair, before you open public, you don't mind, thank you. Thank you, Sheriff. Sheriff, can you tell us just what has Asmerelda before it expired? Do you know what they were paying Knight County? At this price.

Voice Fhear it at 8:38:39

The same price?

Voice Chear it at 8:38:41

Yeah, the previous contract was this same price.

Voice Fhear it at 8:38:44

Same price. And you've already established with the county manager that this is what ICE was paying and now ICE has almost doubled, actually almost tripled.

Voice Chear it at 8:39:01

I am unaware that ICE has raised their amount that they pay because we don't have contact with ICE anymore.

Voice Ahear it at 8:39:16

Okay. Okay. The other question, Sheriff, is just on average.

Voice Bhear it at 8:39:23

Per month, how many as well the inmates are we housing that end up in Pahrump, the Pahrump facility?

Voice Chear it at 8:39:32

Very few, it varies, some months it might be free for three months because they were all sentenced to 90 days other months it may be none for three months it just it depends the contract that we have promised them up to 30 beds but in the almost four years I've been here we've never had even close to that And that would be only if we have the availability of those 30 beds. If we only had 20 available beds, we're not going to bring in 30 Esmeralda inmates. And I don't know that there are 30 arrests made in Esmeralda County in a calendar year.

Voice Ehear it at 8:40:19

Well, that's a good problem to have,

Voice Chear it at 8:40:23

it is. I'd love to have that here. My next question is, you had mentioned 24 hours of holding as an example of an Esmeralda inmate in the Tonopah facility. When we closed the Tonopah jail, you'll just have to refresh my memory, please. Did we have a maximum amount of time or minimum amount of time that they were allowed to be? in the holding facility in Tonopah because it's not it's not jail anymore right so it's just a holding facility then to be transported down to Pahrump so what's our what's our max time that any inmate is allowed to be in Tonopah As a standard practice, if there is an inmate in the Tonopah facility, and has attended their first court appearance, which is usually the following day, if that inmate is going to be detained further, we will at least twice a day, if that happens twice a day, we will make a trip down here with those inmates. We don't want to hold those inmates more than... an overnighter because they got to appear in court tomorrow morning and has merited or in Tonopah yes So 24 hours, I'm assuming is what I'm hearing, 24 hours is the max and then they have to be released from or transported out of Tonopah down to Peru for court for whatever.

Voice Chear it at 8:42:10

We don't want to bring them down here and waste the gas if they're going to be turning around and going back up 12 hours later to appear in court. But on the other hand, we don't want to keep them in the Tonopah facility any longer than necessary if they are not going to have a court appearance. I understand. Thank you, and thank you for scheduling with Esmeralda to kill two birds with one stone with the transportation issue. Thank you, Chair.

Voice Dhear it at 8:42:47

You're welcome. Sheriff, the biggest question I have is what does it cost us to house an inmate for a day?

Voice Chear it at 8:42:57

You know, I was looking at that, and I know that we figured that out when this was being drafted. I did not put that in the backup, and I don't off the top of my head have that, but it is. significantly less than the 127.84 a day.

Voice Dhear it at 8:43:17

I just wanted to make sure I'm not, you're not losing more money,

Voice Chear it at 8:43:20

Oh, we're not losing money and not even remotely close to losing money.

Voice Dhear it at 8:43:24

because we know we have problems otherwise, so let's not make it worse.

Voice Dhear it at 8:43:29

All right, any public comment on this item on the phone?

Voice Ghear it at 8:43:35

Yes, chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Hhear it at 8:43:41

Hello, Commissioners, Michael David Garcia, GARCIA. My volume okay with y'all?

Voice Hhear it at 8:43:52

Thank you, thank you. I appreciate it.

Voice Bhear it at 8:43:53

Go ahead, Michael.

Voice Hhear it at 8:43:54

Boy, talk about being out of touch with the numbers. Very, very, very concerning. You know, your transportation costs alone, but with that deputy is more than your housing. I don't understand. How can Nye County run as a loss and subsidize Esmeralda County and y'all just sit there and act like it's no problem? I mean, where are these numbers coming from? You know, how come there's no quotes on the source? How are you sourcing this? How can you actually run a third of what the current contracts are? I don't get it. You know, what about the housing of the natives? How come that was never ran through this board? You know, Sheriff handled that outside the books. Was that with you, Jabor, and the old county manager? I don't understand some of y'all's plays on when y'all come before this board and you're unprepared with the numbers. I mean, it really shows a lack of leadership. Their numbers are way off. They don't even make sense. I guess it's par for the course for administrative policy, but hey, we'll get there one day, huh? Thank y'all.

Voice Dhear it at 8:45:14

Thank you, Michael. Anybody else? Any more fun?

Voice Ghear it at 8:45:18

Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Dhear it at 8:45:24

Yes. Any Nelson? Any L? S-O-N? Since we don't have all the figures, I think maybe they might want to bring this back and put those into the minutes. It's pretty important to make sure what we're going to be paying out as taxpayers for a program like this seems to me the last sheriff we had. close the jail in Chonapal because it was too expensive to transport people from Chonapal down here and go to court and then back up. So I'm not quite sure where they get these figures. And like Mr. Garcia pointed out, it's not in the backup.

Voice Ihear it at 8:46:12

Maybe there might be, you know, hold this until you get all the figures into the minutes and we know what we're dealing with because we have paid over $800,000 a year in a program that was supposed to make us money on these beds in our jail and now we're going to add medical and transportation so the price went up.

Voice Dhear it at 8:46:37

And it's not significantly higher right now. So and to pay for decent medical care for these prisoners so they don't die in our jails, then it's going to take a little bit more money just for that. So I think maybe they are able to go back and redo it with an audit and see what they can put in there and what they must put in there. Those are two different things. We might not be able to have Esmeralda pay just our cost. We need to be making profit on the medical care that we're giving. We need to be making profit on food that we're giving. There's, you know, it's not a break-even deal. We have a budget to meet. And so that's my opinion anyway. I just don't see all the numbers. Thank you. Thank you, Amy. Dwight? Sure, would you please let Dwight in?

Voice Bhear it at 8:47:40

Oh, I'm sorry.

Voice Bhear it at 8:47:45

Dwight, a Lillian L-I-L-L-Y taxpayer.

Voice Fhear it at 8:47:50

I didn't even know we had a facility up there to hold people until I thought we closed the jail down up there for expenses. But I'm really not comfortable with agreeing to anything with Esmeralda County because of the budget situation we've had here in Nye County. And this might be doing a favor to Esmeralda County, but it looks like all the risk is on us. And nothing on them, because when I hear a figure like $127, when I just went to lunch and spent $40, I'm thinking expenses have gone up. Fuel is up. I think it's $4.49 a gallon right now, fuel going up. We would be tied in to a contract that we don't know what. Our total outlay could possibly be down the road and I just don't feel comfortable about that. Now maybe the sheriff does, you know, he's got the figures, but our jail, our law enforcement, we're trying to boost that up for Pahrump, for Nye County, and I don't think we're in a position to be a welfare. Or as Brella County, let Brella County deal with their own prisoners, their own court system, their own everything, and leave us completely out of it until we have our own finances. You know, I just don't feel comfortable with this at all. Thank you.

Voice Dhear it at 8:49:17

Thank you, Dwight. On the phone?

Voice Ghear it at 8:49:23

There's no comment on the phone.

Voice Dhear it at 8:49:25

Then we'll close public comment. Board?

Voice Ehear it at 8:49:32

Chair, a question for the Sheriff, please.

Voice Ehear it at 8:49:36

Sheriff, one of my questions was how did we come back to the 127-84 and you mentioned that that was the previous rate.

Voice Chear it at 8:49:51

That was agreed upon in a different contract, different sheriff, I'm assuming, and that's now expired. So because the way it's written, the body is written, we would be able to amend the price contingent upon Esmeralda accepting.

Voice Ehear it at 8:50:13

So would you be able to propose a different cost? The costs have gone up. This is an old number. This number is from well over, what, six years ago.

Voice Chear it at 8:50:28

So this number is from about three years ago, and this number was established prior to the... termination of our ICE contract and it was obtained through the previous comptroller at that time when we still had our ICE contract and when the comptroller was that was here the fee for ICE was 127.84 If that has gone up again, we don't have a contract or a contact currently for ICE to get a current going rate as to what they give, but again, no special trips are being made from Tonopah to Pahrump.

Voice Bhear it at 8:51:25

No special staffing is being expended in Tonopah for Esmeralda County inmates. Esmeralda County's jail is uninhabitable. Esmeralda County's staffing is not sufficient to even hold their own inmates. However, I wonder what their financial situation might be being that they are so short of staff and they're so lacking population. whether they would be able to make three times the cost of this. I would be more than happy, I mean as you see, this is a one-year contract. I would be more than happy to go back with Esmeralda and renegotiate this. However, at this point, we have a, the term was used earlier, a lame duck sheriff at Esmeralda and a new incoming sheriff.

Voice Chear it at 8:52:37

It's my understanding that the outgoing sheriff is very uninvolved, so I'm not sure whether I would be able to get any negotiations done at this point in time. Again, this is a one-year contract. standing that the outgoing sheriff is very uninvolved so I'm not sure whether I would be able to get any negotiations done at this point in time again this is a one-year contract the medical provision that I think Dwight brought up there is no additional medical costs for an Esmeralda inmate

Voice Bhear it at 8:53:03

To Nye County, because the contract specifies any medical provision above and beyond what getting Tylenol, I mean if an inmate falls down and maybe he broke his wrist and has to go to the emergency room for an x-ray, the contract requires that that be that.

Voice Chear it at 8:53:24

be done by and paid for by Esmeralda County. So we are not expending any costs because we have Esmeralda inmates. We're not making a special drive down. We're holding that as Esmerelda inmate until we are bringing a Nye County inmate down to Pahrump or we are turning them back over to Esmerelda to do the transport.

Voice Khear it at 8:53:52

May I share, didn't when it came to our cost that new cost that we've incurred medical and our feeding of our current inmates, do we know what percentage that went up from the prior? Because it seems to me that if this contract is in place, we're being paid. I think it might be something to look at to say, look, how much has our cost accelerated over the last time we had a contract with Esmeralda because they have accelerated?

Voice Chear it at 8:54:28

There has not been an increase.

Voice Bhear it at 8:54:29

an increase in our medical costs between the previous provider

Voice Ghear it at 8:54:34

In three years?

Voice Bhear it at 8:54:35

and the current provider.

Voice Bhear it at 8:54:38

When the new provider came in from Serenity leaving,

Voice Bhear it at 8:54:43

the cost was, I'm not mistaken, to the penny. I think it was to the penny.

Voice Ahear it at 8:54:53

Right. Actually, the...

Voice Ehear it at 8:54:55

Medical today is less than serenity

Voice Chear it at 8:54:58

it less than what?

Voice Ehear it at 8:55:01

The last contract they had. The food I don't know for sure but

Voice Chear it at 8:55:07

on food we're getting ready to come back next meeting with, but it's going down significantly also. Chair, let me finish.

Voice Dhear it at 8:55:18

Go right ahead.

Voice Chear it at 8:55:20

Thank you. Sheriff, I would like to say on the record that the Esmeralda sheriff is not a lame duck. He's very, very experienced. He was appointed due to the legislative law that was passed a couple of years ago and they removed the elected sheriff. Totally different situation.

Voice Fhear it at 8:55:48

I think that this is something to go back with them, to them, come up with a reasonable number, a number that perhaps we're doing while we're doing transports, because in a perfect world.

Voice Chear it at 8:56:06

Yes, we can get an inmate from Nye and an inmate from Esmeralda and we're, you know, it's the one cause, but that's in a perfect world and we know that that doesn't always happen. It won't always happen. And so we know that they don't have a jail. Their jail has been condemned many, many years ago and they are reliant upon Nye County as their neighbor. To help and assist with this, and we certainly appreciate them because they help the Nye deputies, vice versa, especially out in the street when there are emergency situations going on. So I don't think the 12784, it's outdated, it's a year contract. If you come back, are you satisfied that you may come back in one year and that we would keep this number? Do you think we would want to elevate that number in one year?

Voice Lhear it at 8:57:11

I'm asking you,

Voice Chear it at 8:57:14

what's the question, Commissioner?

Voice Lhear it at 8:57:15

you think you may come back in a year and say, you know what, the 12784 is unreasonable and we do need to reevaluate the contract? Because if so, I would suggest we do it now with all of the costs going up, insurance, fuel. raises benefits etc no Food.

Voice Chear it at 8:57:46

Okay. Yeah, I have no issue coming back in a year and revisiting this for the cost. I just want...

Voice Lhear it at 8:57:59

no no please don't misunderstand me sir I'm not asking you to come back With this item in a year, I'm asking to have it reevaluated now, and if you thought in one year you may come back anyway to elevate this number, we should just do it now. We need to do it now.

Voice Chear it at 8:58:20

OK, my assistants got some information that she just walked over to me and she's going to give you.

Voice Lhear it at 8:58:26

Thank you. Thank you, Timmy.

Voice Ghear it at 8:58:28

Hello, Tammy Engel, E-N-G-E-L. I just wanted to share a little bit about what we are getting from Esmeralda County, if that's okay, what the costs or what they've been paying us. So in February of this year they paid us over $11,000. March was $8,000. April was $8,000 and it goes on and on $7,000. In June they paid us $7,000 or actually that's outstanding. June is outstanding still but they've paid all the months they pay us every month you know.

Voice Mhear it at 8:59:11

It's probably a month behind. So anyway, we have made quite a bit of money doing this, if that helps at all. This is $13,000, $12,000, $10,000 they are paying. And right now we have two Esmeralda inmates in our jail and right now there's 130 people total in the jail. Okay, thank you.

Voice Lhear it at 8:59:38

Thank you, Timmy.

Voice Chear it at 8:59:43

So to continue with your question, Commissioner Jabbour, my only concern is that if we're going to skip this for now and come back once we have made negotiations with the Esmeralda County officials, we would have no agreement. enforce so would that mean we need to turn away as Marilla County inmates or continue accepting them with no agreement in force or how would we handle that that

Voice Lhear it at 9:00:18

Well, Sheriff, you have no agreement right now. You informed us that it has expired.

Voice Chear it at 9:00:24

is true yep

Voice Lhear it at 9:00:26

So you've been... You've been conducting business accordingly, so why would we reinvent the wheel

Voice Chear it at 9:00:34

they've been continuing to pay in this expired time.

Voice Chear it at 9:00:38

So I agree.

Voice Lhear it at 9:00:40

Yes. So no, that's not my premise or suggestion that we stop operations and cooperation, not at all. And we haven't heard from the other commissioners. I'd like to hear from the other commissioners how they feel.

Voice Ghear it at 9:01:09

I have nothing.

Voice Dhear it at 9:01:12

My only concern was that we're getting more than it cost us, and according to the sheriff, we're getting more than it cost us. Obviously, the more money we get, the better off we are, but still, I hate to strap Esmeralda, but that's just me.

Voice Nhear it at 9:01:36

I'm all for it, just do it. I don't know what the, you know, there's a lot of discussion about this. The army has a piece of paper about how to stand at attention. If you go through drill sergeant school, it's like two pages and it describes the how you curl your thumb and it points down the thing. It's kind of like that. Like it's two pages of how to stand at attention. I feel like we've gone through that except jail guys. I'm ready to vote on giving the man what he wants. I trust people. Motion to accept item This item,

Voice Dhear it at 9:02:11

There you go. I have a motion to approve, do I have a second?

Voice Dhear it at 9:02:17

I have a motion and a second. Call for a vote.

Voice Dhear it at 9:02:24

Thank you, Sheriff.

Voice Bhear it at 9:02:27

Thank you, Sheriff.

Voice Dhear it at 9:02:29

Do we want to go to lunch now, or what?

Voice Ghear it at 9:02:32

Up to you guys. It's been a lot to do.

Voice Dhear it at 9:02:37

All right, we're going to break for lunch, be back here at 1 20-ish. You ready in Tonopah, Commissioner?

Voice Lhear it at 9:02:54

Ready. Thank you.

Voice Dhear it at 9:02:59

All right, we're going to open the meeting back up again, everyone. Hope you all had a good lunch. And we're going to go to number twenty two.

Voice Dhear it at 9:03:12

Oh, then I guess we're not going to twenty two.

Voice Bhear it at 9:03:15

Sorry about that.

Voice Dhear it at 9:03:17

Why, it won't be.

Voice Bhear it at 9:03:18

Do twenty and twenty one. It's real quick.

Voice Dhear it at 9:03:21

Let's do twenty.

Voice Ahear it at 9:03:24

Item twenty for possible action, discussion and deliberation regarding a program funding application from Beatty Health and Welfare Inc. to fund Beatty Clinic operation for the amount of ninety six hundred dollars to be funded from one oh two eight five health clinics fund.

Voice Bhear it at 9:03:44

You were a public comment on this one? Anyone on the phone?

Voice Bhear it at 9:03:50

Close public comment. Commissioners, anything?

Voice Dhear it at 9:03:57

I don't have anything. Would you just like a motion?

Voice Bhear it at 9:04:00

Yeah, I'm assuming someone else will do that, but go ahead.

Voice Dhear it at 9:04:05

What do you think, Bruce? Excuse me, Commissioner. Would you want to take 20?

Voice Ehear it at 9:04:10

Th thank you. I will I was asking uh since the county manager uh if she was going to be presenting, but uh self-explanatory. So through the chair I will I will move to um for this programme funding to uh from Beatty Health and Welfare to fund Beatty Clinic operations in the amount of ninety six hundred to be funded from one zero two eight five.

Voice Bhear it at 9:04:36

I have a motion and a second.

Voice Bhear it at 9:04:37

Call for the vote.

Voice Fhear it at 9:04:41

And your voice aye.

Voice Dhear it at 9:04:49

The rest are fine.

Voice Ahear it at 9:04:59

Item 21 for possible action, discussion and deliberation regarding a program funding application from Disabled American Veterans Chapter 15 to fund the Veteran Service Officers office located in the lobby of the Desert View Hospital in the amount of $7,400 and $7,450 to be funded from 10210 Veterans Services Fund.

Voice Bhear it at 9:05:24

Okay, you have anything? No?

Voice Chear it at 9:05:28

I don't have anything.

Voice Bhear it at 9:05:29

Okay, any public comment on this one? Phone?

Voice Dhear it at 9:05:46

Stephen Pittman, P-I-T-M-A-N. Hopefully you will continue to fund the work that the DAV office does in the lobby of the hospital. Over the past years we have, or they have enabled Pahrump veterans to receive many millions of dollars in disability compensation money that flows. into stores and treasuries and banks here in Pahrump. I ask you to continue to fund this. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 9:06:18

Thank you, sir. Any further public comment? Hearing none, I'll close public comment and I'll have

Voice Ehear it at 9:06:25

Chair, make a motion to approve as written.

Voice Bhear it at 9:06:31

a motion and a second. Call for the vote.

Voice Bhear it at 9:06:36

Where's I? Carnage, aye. Oh,

Voice Bhear it at 9:06:44

Where is it? Oh, fire chief's here. Where were we?

Voice Ehear it at 9:06:48

22, I believe.

Voice Bhear it at 9:06:48

22. Let's go back to 22, please.

Voice Ahear it at 9:06:54

Item 22 for possible action, discussion and deliberation to adopt, amend and adopt or reject Nye County Resolution No. 2026-14, Resolution amending the schedule of fees for Nye County Emergency Response Services.

Voice Bhear it at 9:07:11

Good afternoon, Commissioner. Sorry, I was outside when you called the first. Scott Lewis, L-E-W-I-S. Director of Emergency Management, this mirrors the previous resolution that you approved this morning. It helps foster standardization for the fee service. In the backup, there's a section that is for payments made or pay schedule that is not included. There's no changes with that whatsoever. This is simply the fee schedule for the EMS services and fire services for the non-elected town boards. Elected town boards can set their own fee schedules under the fireside. EMS is no matter where, elected or otherwise.

Voice Chear it at 9:07:49

Okay, thank you. Any public comment on this one?

Voice Chear it at 9:07:57

Calls public comment.

Voice Ehear it at 9:07:58

Chair, I'd like to make a motion to adopt Nye County Resolution 2026-14.

Voice Chear it at 9:08:04

Motion, do I have a second?

Voice Fhear it at 9:08:06

Two bullet seconds.

Voice Chear it at 9:08:08

Call for a motion? Call for the vote.

Voice Ehear it at 9:08:18

I thought we were going to do twenty five because we want bowling here, right?

Voice Dhear it at 9:08:21

Excuse me, I'm not on the record.

Voice Chear it at 9:08:22

He has to be here.

Voice Chear it at 9:08:25

he asked me to do it. So I'm waiting for him.

Voice Ehear it at 9:08:27

Twenty three would be fast.

Voice Ehear it at 9:08:30

Twenty three would be great.

Voice Ahear it at 9:08:34

Item 23 for possible action, discussion and deliberation regarding the request to set a date, time and location for a public hearing on Nye County Bill Number 2026-12, a bill proposing to amend Nye County Code Title 17, Comprehensive Land Use Planning and Zoning, by amending Chapter 17.04, entitled Pahrump Regional Planning District. Relating to section 17.04.110, definitions, by adding the definition of an accessory dwelling unit, amending the definition of dwelling or dwelling unit by removing or dwelling unit, amending section 17.04.210, RH 9.5, Rural Homestead Residential. Section 17.04.215, RH 4.5 Rural Homestead Residential, Section 17.04.220, RE2 Rural Estates Residential, Section 17.04.225, RE1 Rural Estates Residential. Section 17.04.230 SE Suburban Estates Residential Section 17.04.240 VR 20 Village Residential and Section 17.04.245 VR 10 Village Residential by adding in accessory dwelling units and standards to permissive uses and removing mobile homes as temporary residences with a temporary use permit. And providing for the severability, constitutionality and effective date thereof and other matters properly relating thereto.

Voice Bhear it at 9:10:28

Any public comment on this one? Okay.

Voice Dhear it at 9:10:34

The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ehear it at 9:10:40

Yes, Tim Bohannon, B-O-H-A-N-N-O-N. I

Voice Ehear it at 9:10:43

know this is about date and time, but just, yes.

Voice Bhear it at 9:10:47

Remember it's date and time.

Voice Ehear it at 9:10:48

Yeah, there's only date and time. Just throwing out there about the size. That's all. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 9:10:59

A closed public

Voice Fhear it at 9:11:00

I guess the date and time...

Voice Bhear it at 9:11:05

Do I have a...

Voice Chear it at 9:11:07

Did you close the public?

Voice Chear it at 9:11:09

right. I'd like to set the date and time for the public hearing of Nye County Bill 2026-12 for September 1st at a.m.

Voice Bhear it at 9:11:19

I have a motion and a second. I'll call for the vote.

Voice Bhear it at 9:11:26

Connick's aye. Ian just said. Okay, that one's done. Still no bowling.

Voice Chear it at 9:11:35

We could do 24 without Cody. You

Voice Bhear it at 9:11:38

go to you go

Voice Chear it at 9:11:39

you'll handle it?

Voice Bhear it at 9:11:39

to talk for Tom on item number

Voice Chear it at 9:11:44

Twenty five? No,

Voice Bhear it at 9:11:48

Yeah, twenty five?

Voice Chear it at 9:11:49

Twenty five right-of-ways.

Voice Chear it at 9:11:52

We do twenty four if you're not happy with twenty five. Oh.

Voice Bhear it at 9:11:57

great, let's do twenty five.

Voice Ahear it at 9:49:32

Item 24 for possible action, discussion and deliberation to a, approve, amend and approve, or reject task order number 13 between Atkins Realis USA Inc. And Nye County to provide environmental planning, design, and bidding phase services for the regrading runway safety area at the Beatty Airport in the amount not to exceed $84,731, b, execute the task order, and c, fund from one zero three four zero grants.

Voice Bhear it at 9:50:11

Cody, tell me when we're gonna ever get the airports up to snuff so we can stop this bleeding. Tell me what the problem is. Tell us what the problem is.

Voice Chear it at 9:50:26

Thank you, commissioner Cody McKee for the record, MCKEE. This is a, capital project that is on our airport capital improvement, project list that is approved by the FAA. That's what allocates us to grant funding to perform these projects. So this is a a planned project and is budgeted. This is to grade an area at the end of the runway that is in currently in in violation of current FAA standards, and this is a project to correct that. To speak to future projects, there's gonna be projects annually to improve our airports with grant funding because we do not have the funding to do it ourselves. We did just get done with a pretty sizable electrical upgrade at Tonopah. We are going to be doing a sealco project at both Beatty and Tonopah. Again, those are all federally funded with minimal match from us. And we hope to continue bringing back projects to you to help improve our airports. K.

Voice Bhear it at 9:51:33

Questions, board? Public comment? Anyone have come comment on this? Phone? Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record. I'm sorry. That was for last last agenda item. I yield. There's no further comment on the phone. No public comment or closed public comment? Board? Through the chair.

Voice Dhear it at 9:52:07

Yes, sir. With the chair, I move to approve an executing tax task order 13 in the amount not to exceed $84,731 in fund from one zero three four zero l a t c f. Second.

Voice Bhear it at 9:52:26

I have a motion and a second. I'll call for the vote. Aye. Or aye. Calling aye. What do we got left? 26. 26. 6. 26.

Voice Ahear it at 9:12:02

Item 25 for possible action, discussion and deliberation to A, approve, amend and approve or reject the broadband infrastructure construction and right of way access agreement between Nye County and Stimulus Technologies of Nevada LLC in substantially the same form and substance as presented and b, execute the agreement.

Voice Bhear it at 9:12:26

Okey dokey. Go ahead, please.

Voice Chear it at 9:12:30

Thank you, commissioner. Yeah. Like, county manager Wagner mentioned, this is an access agreement. This is to give Stimulus Technologies the rights to, install, broadband fiber in Nye County right away. They will still be going through our permitting process where we will review their engineer drawings and inspecting their work in the field. Happy to answer any questions, I believe Stimulus has a representative here as well.

Voice Bhear it at 9:12:59

During public comment. Phone?

Voice Dhear it at 9:13:03

Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ehear it at 9:13:12

This is Thomas Bowling, director. I was just calling in because it's the only time I've ever seen traffic in Peron. It's with two stoplights, two red lights, or stoplights. So I'm just pulling in so it's letting you know. Yeah. Cody's got your back. Don't worry.

Voice Bhear it at 9:13:29

He's better after you anyways. No one? A close public comment.

Voice Dhear it at 9:13:40

Oh, no? There's there's more comment on the Oh. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Fhear it at 9:13:48

Hi. It's Tim Bohannon, b o h a n n o n. Maybe this will stall a little bit for Tom. Do that. But one of the things one of the things I did see, and I'm surprised on the definition and terms that it wasn't there on the broadband service and things of that nature of the encroachment permit. If there's other agreements like this that we need to make sure that we have in in the future, just raising that that awareness. Because some of these are, to me, basic definitions, which I'm glad they're here. I'm I'm supportive of that. Just just making a public comment on that. Thank you. Alright. Thank you, Tim. Anybody else?

Voice Dhear it at 9:14:30

Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ghear it at 9:14:38

Yes. My name is Craig Allen, a l l e n. I saw this and just wanna speak to, generally, I think more, options for Internet connectivity in this community is a good thing. I'm one of the people that have that get, gets to work from home, and I've been rather disappointed with some of the options I've had here lately. I've forgotten how some of the outages have been in the news. So, yeah, I think we, you know, there's been some concerns that this is related to data centers, and this this is a backdoor thing to help the data center. I don't see how that makes sense. But Not even worse. Other people can think that if they want. But, yeah, I think, you know, as long as everything is is up to par and legit, this should this should move forward, and and that's my comment. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

Voice Dhear it at 9:15:36

Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Hhear it at 9:15:43

Good afternoon, commissioners. My name is Kathy McKenna, m c k e n n a. I have over thirty five years of experience in the telecommunication industry. And for many years, I have also managed federally funded grant programs with strict compliance reporting and expenditure requirements. My comments today are based on that professional experience, my review of the public records, and the agreement before you. Let me begin by saying that I support broadband expansion. Reliable high speed Internet is essential for our residents, businesses, schools, health care providers, first responders, and the economic future of Nye County. My concern is not with broadband. My concern is whether this particular project has been demonstrated to be realistically achievable. Today's agenda asks you to approve a right of way access agreement that would allow Stimulus Technologies to begin constructing approximately 619 miles of fiber intended to pass approximately 24,000 locations throughout Nye County. The staff report explains that this agreement establishes the framework for permitting construction, restoration insurance, and protection of the county's interest. However, I believe there is one critical issue that's not been adequately addressed. This project is funded through the American Rescue Plan state and local fiscal recovery fund program. Those federal funds are subject to expire 12/31/2020 expenditure deadline. As of today, there are fewer than five months remaining. Based on my experience with fiber construction in Nye County, our caliche soil significantly slow directional boring. Depending on the terrain, directional boring may average only about one third to one half mile per day. Pole attachment work may average one and and a half to two miles per day, and that is before accounting for make ready work, whole replacements, weather delays, inspections, utility complex, restoration, and project closeout. Commissioners, my concern is not whether stimulus intends to complete this project. My concern is whether the project has been demonstrated to be realistically achievable. As someone who spent three decades in telecommunication has managed complex federally funded projects, I know that construction schedules, permitting, utility coordination, inspections, and grant deadlines all matter. I have reviewed the public reports previously provided to the Nevada legislature. Earlier reports described significant permitting and utility coordination issues. While engineering had progress, the project still faced major dependencies. I also found it noteworthy that a later legislative report discussed nearly every major broadband recipient individually, yet the stimulus project, despite being one of the largest awards, did not receive the same level of narrative discussion. I'm not suggesting wrongdoing, but I do believe that omission raises legitimate questions that deserve answers before this board grants access to hundreds of miles of county right away. This agreement before you contemplates phase permitting, quarterly coordination meeting, inspections, restoration, asphalt drawings, and project closeout.

Voice Bhear it at 9:18:49

Thank you, Kathy. Any further Tom, do you wanna talk to this? Well, should we speak publicly, sir? I just I want a little bit of background from Tom first.

Voice Ihear it at 9:19:07

Sorry for being late. I don't know why I was thinking 01:30, not 01:20. I apologize. Well, I said ish. Ish. Ish. It was okay. So, so this is an access agreement. According to AB five zero nine, any broadband provider in Nye County that wants to put any kind of either install, maintain, or do any kind of work in the right of way, if they provide broadband to a end use customer, they have to have an access agreement for the installation and maintenance of that broadband as of July 1 this year. This is the first of many agreements you're going to see that we're going to have with all of the broadband suppliers in that county. The reason why this one is different is because this is a new company coming in and starting their installation, whereas the other ones will be continuing their installation and doing maintenance and stuff. So this is not something that's going to stop on December 31 whenever they have to be done with the installation and spending their initial. They're going to do maintenance and everything else after that. This is an ongoing agreement for years to come, just for the installation of this. K? So and there is Expand on that, please. Because So They you know, the way I go ahead. I still I ran across the park and I was trying to I'm catching my breath. I apologize. I'm a little out of shape here. So moving forward after this after they're done with the initial installation That's where the time that's where the date is? That's where the final date is of they have to spend their grant dollars by that date. Okay. $44,000,000 has to be completed by the end of this year. End of this year. Right. Right. Yes. They have to have they have to do that much installation to spend that many dollars. Yes. Again, we're not it's not our job just to know how they're going to do that or if they're gonna do that. It's us wanting to

Voice Jhear it at 9:21:06

Isn't it kind of our job?

Voice Ihear it at 9:21:09

Isn't it kind of our job to We cannot direct we cannot direct their means and methods and we cannot speak to their means and methods and how they install. Do you know if this company has ever done this before? No. They haven't. Have they ever done on That's my knowledge. No. Have you ever I no idea. He is here. Right? He's willing to speak up. Let he'll he'll speak to this. He'll speak to all that stuff. You can ask him those questions. This what I'm trying to explain to you is that this is just an access agreement for his company to be able to access our right of ways. They cannot go in our right of ways. They cannot get encroachment permits from us. They cannot do anything from us until we get the process agreement in place. Period.

Voice Khear it at 9:21:47

How much money do you anticipate

Voice Jhear it at 9:21:50

he's gonna spend on permits for this?

Voice Ihear it at 9:21:53

Over the life, if he does the entire project, a little over $6,000,000.

Voice Jhear it at 9:21:57

With there's gonna pay, nine county a little over $6,000,000. Correct. Now if they do not complete their work, do we pay that back to them? No. So they pull the permits. So you're telling me potentially, so they can get to their $44,000,000, they could pull all the permits before the end of the year and then never perform, but we don't have to pay it back. That's what's gonna happen here. The $44,000,000 is gonna be depleted. That's

Voice Ihear it at 9:22:25

what I see happening. But the the permit fee is the the $6,000,000 fee is for plan check and review and inspection. It's not that's what the money pays for. It doesn't pay for them just to have access. That's what the access agreement's for. Right. K.

Voice Ihear it at 9:22:42

If we review their plans and check their plans, then we've done our part of the agreement. And so, yeah, I don't see them them getting

Voice Bhear it at 9:22:51

a refund on that. Let's hear from him. DA's Ronald. Do you still have public comment open? Know that. I wanna get done with this so the public knows what we're talking about so they can ask intelligent questions.

Voice Lhear it at 9:23:08

Alright. Thank you, chair. Thank you, commissioners. Nathan Whittaker, WHITTACRE. I'm the, CEO and founder of Stimulus Technologies. We're a Nevada based company, here in Southern Nevada for thirty one years. So we have thirty one years of experience, providing, broadband and IT services. So, although this is a new project for us, we do have thirty one years of experience. The reason this came up, is we started to apply for permits with Nye County for this construction. On, last legislative session, the assembly passed, AB seven zero five or seven zero nine that, required broadband providers to enter a franchise agreement with municipalities or the the counties, in which they're providing broadband service. And that, went into effect July 1, and we've been working with the county, to enter into this broadband or this franchise agreement with the county so that we can get our permits. So that's what has brought this to light. All other providers, Valley Electric, Optum, AT and T, all the other service providers that have broadband infrastructure per the AB seven zero nine will have to enter in a franchise agreement with the county regardless whether they're providing, you know, building out additional services or not. Beyond the 4,500,000 to $6,000,000 worth of permits for not just this project but for future projects, We are also be the awardee, be grant awardee, and we'll be building out additional projects. But there is a 2% fee that we'll pay to the county against all gross revenue for broadband services. So this isn't just the permitting fees. It's an ongoing, fee that we have to pay the county as part of this project, or for the services that we're offering the county. So, the caller talked a little bit about, this grant. We were we signed with the state of Nevada, through the High Speed Nevada project, $76,000,000 grant for the Pahrump build, in July 2025. And we've been working, you know, through engineering or permitting, and they are correct. We have to expend those dollars by the end of this year. We are discussing with the state of Nevada of descoping some locations because of delays in the permitting that this has caused. But the we we have, as of today, roughly about 60 permits out of 110 that we need sitting with the county, and we paid number of fees, I think, for about 33 of those permits. We've already paid fees for those. So, you know, we we have crews that are available and ready to start. Once this contract is signed, we could start construction within a week's time. But this has, you know, delayed our start because of this new franchise agreement that went into place on July 1. Be happy to answer any questions and also like to invite the commissioners and the public out. We're having a groundbreaking ceremony this Thursday at the Bob Rudz Center at 6PM, and we can answer, you know, questions as far as what services we're providing, the costs, and things like that that are related to the broadband service that we'll be be providing with this fiber network. Okay. So, essentially, you're gonna attempt

Voice Bhear it at 9:26:31

to pull a 118 miles of cable in per month. You got you got 592 miles to go, and you got five months left. That's what it comes out So part of the grant program is about

Voice Lhear it at 9:26:46

so in this permit, we included our b project, which is a four year project. So that b project was included as part of one of the exhibits. We have just under 500 miles. It has to be done by the end of the year. And as I mentioned So a 100 miles a month. Rough roughly. Much of it's aerial, which goes much faster, and we have the contractors and crews available and ready to install that, both underground and aerial, very quickly. So and again, I just want to draw attention. This franchise agreement has really nothing to do with the ongoing construction project. It just allows us to start that. You know, decoupling this franchise agreement from the project itself, this just gives us the opportunity to enter the right of way. Valley Electric, Optum, any other service provider that's offering broadband service will have to enter these franchise agreements with the county and pay the you know, this franchise fee ongoing, which started July 1.

Voice Bhear it at 9:27:51

Alright. This time, I'll open public comment. Thank

Voice Jhear it at 9:27:54

you. Go ahead. So, exhibit a is a project description that's really good. And then we didn't have, we didn't have the bond, of course, is not gonna be done, the performance bond, until this contract is done is my understanding because it's, of course, blank, and we know it's gonna be $5,000,000 according to the contract. So the performance bond, of course, will be completed before construction begins. Correct?

Voice Lhear it at 9:28:21

We will need to start construction, as soon as possible. So we were hoping that we can begin construction once this is signed. That's our communication with the county. We are in process obtaining the bond. Each one of our contractors has a bond on the project, and we also have a bond with the state of Nevada on this project. So are you going to indemnify and use those bonds as part of your

Voice Jhear it at 9:28:45

commitment to the county?

Voice Lhear it at 9:28:48

So our commitment to the county, we're obviously paying the permitting fees. We have the insurance. This scope of this franchise agreement goes beyond anything that's been asked of any other provider to date. We're the first provider that's been asked to provide this Always fun natural be first, isn't it? What's that? Always It's fun to be the first. Yeah. And and under a tight timeline. You know, that's that's the joys of this. But, you know, any delays that the commission and the county asks will remove locations. And our hope is to serve the unserved locations. That's that's the goal of this project is, you know, there's quite a few locations, homes, businesses in Nye County that do not have high speed access currently. They only have options for satellite or fixed wireless. And any delays will potentially remove locations.

Voice Jhear it at 9:29:38

I think Cody wants to talk to your bonding issue if you'll if you allow so, chair.

Voice Chear it at 9:29:47

ahead. I just wanted to mention that the contract does give them, or excuse me. The agreement does allow them thirty days to provide that bond. Thank you for that. Thank you, chair.

Voice Jhear it at 9:29:56

No further questions.

Voice Bhear it at 9:29:58

Alright. I'm gonna open for public comment now. Anybody in the public like to comment? Come on down.

Voice Mhear it at 9:30:16

C l a r k. Linda, l I n d a. I had to read my sign again to remember to do that. Don't wanna upset Deborah. Okay. This is really interesting. All of a sudden, we've got all this stuff that's technical coming into our community. They're ready to start and they don't even have approval. We've got all this other stuff going on with our tech center. And I'm wondering how much of this is all related. Is this all to cover everybody's butts and get them ready for their tech center, their data centers? It seems really coincidental to me and I'm not a tech person, you know, I'm just your dumb blonde that comes up here and talks to you once in a while. So somebody needs to explain to me why all of a sudden there's a rush at the last minute, they're ready to go and have a meeting to inform us all. And they want your approval now so they can do it. And we're still working on the data center, which we're sure is gonna probably be using this facility and stuff. Right? Yep. Right? You don't know, John? We don't either. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 9:31:29

Anyone on the phone?

Voice Dhear it at 9:31:31

Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Nhear it at 9:31:37

Yes. Amy Nelson, n e l s o n. I didn't hear the name of the company. I heard that it represents a company. You're not it's not a the company that's going to be bringing in the broadband, but they're gonna be using the material and or putting up. It's very unclear who these people are. Do does the company actually have a name? And if so, what is that name? The public really deserves to have complete transparency on all of these transactions. I don't care how much money it brings in to Nye County. If Nye County can't handle their budget and they need to bring in business that's that's not approved by the people, not wanted by the people, then it's you're asking an awful lot of us. And and so, you know, when you walk down the street, people are gonna remember this. They're more involved than ever before, and it's because things aren't right, and this presentation is not right. We need to know who these people are, table this, and bring it back so that the people can look at it openly and honestly and see every person or every company step by step. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 9:33:13

Thank you. Tammy?

Voice Khear it at 9:33:18

Tammy Pittman, p I t m a n.

Voice Ohear it at 9:33:22

I spoke to mister Whitaker yesterday.

Voice Khear it at 9:33:24

And when he explained what he was doing, I said to him, well, isn't the EA putting fiber to all of Pahrump? Fact, beyond. And he said, well, they haven't done the North End. They haven't run. I said, but they're that's the plan. And so if we, as the owners of VEA, have competition, they're not they're gonna come in and sort of take and do what we've already planned on doing. That's actually gonna take income out of our all of our pockets, which helps actually keep the cost of electricity down. Anyway, just a thought.

Voice Dhear it at 9:34:06

Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Phear it at 9:34:13

It's Carolyn Allen, k l l e n. I several questions, Nathan. Have you done large scale utility projects like this? And I don't think you can finish before the deadline. And if that's the case, because this is a grant of over $70,000,000, who pays the grant money back? Is it the state because they're on the hook for the American Rescue part? Or is it and then that will trickle down to the taxpayers. And then going with what Amy just said, VA has been doing fiber now for a few years, and I believe we're $40,000,000 into it of our own money. We didn't have a grant, and we're continuing on with plan. And so I'm just wondering and you're having a groundbreaking ceremony in two days. Seems presumptuous. So if you could answer those questions, I would really appreciate it. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 9:35:19

Thank you, Caroline. Come on down, Susie.

Voice Qhear it at 9:35:26

Susie Hertz, h e r t z. What troubled me when I was reading the background material is that they wanted a start date of, August 10. Today is August 5. So it raises raised the same question in my mind. How long has this been in the pipeline? How long has the planning department known about this? Why is it coming to us five days before their desired start date? And why haven't we been informed about this at all? How does this affect the budget? Is it part of the was it projected into our current budget? Are those numbers in the budget? Or is this new money on top of the budget? I'd like to know. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 9:36:20

Phone? No, chair. Good.

Voice Rhear it at 9:36:30

William Lovedren, l o v e g r n. Question regarding this. I know Valley Electric is having problems right now, and they they're trying to get encroachment permits or something else to drill underneath the streets. I know this because this is happening in Artesia, And they said they couldn't get to some of these places because they're going to have to vertically drill or horizontal drill across and they have to get permits or whatever. Well, that has stopped because they've stopped doing fiber right now until either the county or whoever is getting this information to Valley Electric. So if you already have a company that's out here doing this and they're coming up and they're getting stopped because they can't do the horizontal drilling or vertical drilling to get fiber across the street without trenching, then how are they gonna do it? Because I understand. I see some of these companies at Valley Electric and some of these other places when you're coming down one sixty from Spring Mountain, there's a CEC that's stringing fiber right now down the poles. That's in Clark County. And I've seen them come here into Nye County already. I'm one sixty here here before the Blackjack fireworks place. So there's many things that are going on here. So how is this gonna work? Because if you've got a corporation right now, Valley Electric, that's owned by all of us, and they can't get information or they can't get the stuff to drill or do whatever, how are these guys going to be able to do that? Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 9:38:12

Welcome. Still no phone? Still no phone. No close public comment. Would you like to come up and answer questions? Come on up. Marty, when you start, I'd like a little background from you on your company. How long you've been in business, you know, the whole

Voice Ihear it at 9:38:34

Okay. Let's start from the beginning. They first contacted us at the beginning of April, They wanted to start trenching, started doing installations in May. We told them that that would be hard for them to get to that point, and that's because of the permitting process and making sure that they had all of their plans and everything to the correct specifications that we require. On the same problem that we have had with Valley Electric, they have been way more responsive with that and gone back and forth with us about fifteen, twenty times just trying to make sure we had everything perfect on their plans. This stuff that we haven't gotten from other all pretty much every other utility that has tried to put stuff into our right of way. We do require certain things and we ask those things of same things of every company. Okay? And these guys are the ones they have they have a deadline. Bally Electric doesn't have a deadline. The other people don't have a deadline. They have a deadline. Once they're get to that deadline, the money that they're using to do this goes away. And so that's all they have until they can afford to install more. So I understand why they're going as fast and why they wanna go as fast as they're going. Now what was one of the other questions? Trenching and versus boring and stuff like that in Cottonwoods. This is one of the examples we're talking about. They're trying to introduce microtrenching into our neighborhood. Mister Bain has been a front door witness to micro trenching versus tearing up the streets in his entire subdivision he lives in. And sorry. We just didn't have that. We still don't have that, a final design for micro trenching here. And micro trenching is so for those of you that wanna know, it's like a one inch to two inch wide trench. Then they backfill it with slurry, and then they have to put something in top of that. But when you cut that small of a trench, you're still introducing a cut into our roads, which are going to undermine them and going to get water in there and going to destroy the roadways. So we're still trying to find and get the best engineering for that to figure out how we're going to allow that in our right of way. As far as the company is concerned, he's gonna have to speak to his company. I don't deal with that. I deal with the right of ways. I make sure that we're covered, that we have the best interest for Nye County for Pahrump covered before we bring anything to you guys. So that's where we're at.

Voice Lhear it at 9:41:04

Nathan Whitaker again, w h I t t a c r e. Appreciate the ability to continue sharing, and it's a story that I I love sharing. So I started with my brother and my dad, Stimulus Technologies, in 1995. I was a senior in high school, and, I had this idea. I was working for a technology company. They decided to close their offices down, and I had an idea of starting our own. And we started my brother's garage, in Henderson, Nevada. And, my brother and my dad have since, retired from the company, and I'm the 100% sole owner of the business. We don't have any equity partners, any outside funding. We I am the end of the the ownership of the company. So if and I've just a clarification. I did come here about a month ago and presented the plan to the to the board, what we're doing. And and we've been working we contacted the planning division mid last year when we got this, speaking to Ali and a few of the other people on what permits would be required. But the intense negotiations started with the when we started submitting permits in April, like Tom said. So we've been working on this project for a long time. It takes quite a while to get from, you know, initial project phase through engineering is a is a large portion of it. So we've been working on the engineering of this for quite a while and and started applying for permits in April. Usually, these broadband projects take a few years, and and we're moving this along much faster than pretty much any other project that you'll see. I did wanna comment on something just to clarify. So this is the new Nevada revised statute seven zero nine dot zero forty five sub two. It says a local government shall execute and perform agreements with broadband providers pursuant to subsection one in a nondiscriminatory manner. So it's important that the board understands that that, you know, we're applying for this as a broadband provider as a legitimate business in, in Nevada, long standing business, thirty one years, in Nevada, and we're applying for this, franchise agreement, which is a new agreement. It's, you know, nice to be first. We set the tone, and, hopefully, we have a good relationship with the county moving forward and get this project and many future projects done. Just a clarification on this grant too. This grant went out to bid in 2024. This was part of the original bead round in conjunction with, the state and local fiscal recovery program. So this went out to public bid, through the state of Nevada. We were the bid winner on this project. Other providers, there was, no discrimination against any other provider, and we were the competitive winning bidder on this project. So this is this started in 2024 through the Nevada high speed program and the original beat program. We signed that award in, on 07/03/2025. So, again, this has been public, through the state of Nevada for, over two years now.

Voice Jhear it at 9:44:18

No conspiracy here. We've been And I just a long time, plus the name is in the body of the agenda item, Stimulus Technologies of Nevada LLC.

Voice Bhear it at 9:44:29

So I just wanted to hear it from him. That's all.

Voice Lhear it at 9:44:33

And and to clarify too, no relation I you know, it's terrible that I'm bringing this up on the same agenda as the data centers. This is not related to data centers. This is a fiber to the home project. So it is building out fiber optic to individual homes and businesses in in Nye County. And you'll never convince some people of that. I I'm sure. I'm sure. Chair, if I might?

Voice Shear it at 9:44:56

Certainly. I just wanted to add that part of the delay was the fact that this is also new for us. And so my staff has been working very closely with this company of trying to get this right and making sure that our interests are protected. And so part of this has been and we just did finish the contract just a few days ago, finalize it. So so again, this is part of the process, but a lot of it again, it was us trying to get up to speed and making sure that, you know, since this is so new that we have the protections of making sure that, you know, nothing's going to happen but through, you know, through their having being granted the access into our easements.

Voice Bhear it at 9:45:37

So I just wanted to add that. Thank you. Yeah. We don't wanna get burned.

Voice Thear it at 9:45:41

I have a quick question. Mister chairman?

Voice Bhear it at 9:45:44

Oh, go ahead. You

Voice Thear it at 9:45:46

brought up discriminatory practice. What are you concerned with here? What kind of discrimination you felt the need to read that to us. That was interesting. What kind of discrimination are you concerned about? I just the concern is

Voice Lhear it at 9:45:59

Valley Electric, Optimum, AT and T, they're already accessing the right of ways. And they've got those permits prior to this being a requirement per NRS seven zero nine forty five. So denying us access where they already have access could be considered discriminatory against stimulus technologies. Again, providing a franchise agreement is just giving us access to the same right of ways that the other companies already have. And the county, you know, you're going to have Valley Electric before you, AT and T, Optimum. They're going to have to present these agreements because per NRS seven zero nine forty five, all those broadband providers are going to have to enter similar agreements with the same terms that we've been offered.

Voice Thear it at 9:46:48

I understand that. I so that was interesting. That never crossed my mind, by the way, that what you said. So just maybe in future presentations, you know, might be something to think about on your front of you all. Thank you. Thank you, mister chairman.

Voice Bhear it at 9:47:03

Any other questions?

Voice Jhear it at 9:47:06

Chair, I'd like to make a motion to approve as written and execute the agreement.

Voice Bhear it at 9:47:11

I have a motion. Do I have a second?

Voice Thear it at 9:47:29

I know I know you don't like seconds. Just trying to be nondiscriminatory in the way I practice things. That's all. I don't usually second. That thank you. Have to be careful. That did concern me.

Voice Bhear it at 9:47:48

So is that a second or not? That's not a second. Then I guess it fails for lack of a second. You're not gonna second? Well, I can second it. I'll second it. Because I believe there's people in this town that may never get high speed Internet via it's not cable, really. It's fiber because Valley Electric's not gonna get out to the far reaches, and this is where these guys are planning to go. So so I have a first I have a motion on a second. Call for the question. No. Aye. Jabbour Zai. Good luck. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Keep us informed, please. If you can give me something monthly or the end of the month, how, you know, how you're doing, where you are.

Voice Lhear it at 9:48:51

Yeah. We'd be happy to provide ongoing reports. And, would you like us to send that directly to the commissioners or present to the board here? Happy to communicate

Voice Bhear it at 9:49:01

as much as possible. That's what I want. I wanna I wanna know if you're gonna make it or not. Understood. It's a lot of It's a lot of construction and It's lot of fiber. Tried to do it. With a helicopter, I guess you could

Voice Lhear it at 9:49:17

thank you. Alright. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 9:49:19

Where are we? 24.

Voice Ahear it at 9:52:44

Item 26 for possible action presentation by Kevin Hickey, the Nevada Rural Housing Homeownership Programs Manager regarding Nye County progress report and discussion and deliberation to adopt, amend, adopt, or reject Nye County resolution number twenty twenty six dash 13, resolution of the board of county commissioners of Nye County, Nevada providing for the transfer of county's 2026 private activity bond volume cap to the Nevada Rural Housing Authority. Five minute time limit. Chair?

Voice Bhear it at 9:53:19

Yes. I'd like to make a disclosure that I'm a Nevada real estate broker, and we do, occasionally get to partner with this program for providing funds to our buyers. So I do not have any procuring interest in this directly. Thank you. Good. Thank you.

Voice Chear it at 9:53:41

Now who is this? Chair. Yes, Sam.

Voice Dhear it at 9:53:45

So our presenter was here all day yesterday and was not able to make it back in here today. I do have a representative on the phone, miss Katie Holm. If she is available, please press 9 to raise your hand, and I can unmute you. I'm sorry. It's Katie Coleman. Okay. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ehear it at 9:54:22

Samantha, chair, commissioner, and, chair. It's actually it's Kevin Higgy. I don't know if if, you can hear me. I just wanna check first. Yep. Yes. We can. Okay. Perfect. Thank you so much for that. I'm sorry I can't be there with you today, and I appreciate you your time today. For the record, my name is Kevin Hickey, h I c k e y, and I am the homeownership programs manager for Nevada Rural Housing. For more than fifty years, Nevada Rural Housing has worked to expand housing opportunities across rural Nevada through homeownership, rental assistance, housing development. And today, that impact includes more than 11,000 homebuyers assisted since 2006, 2 and a half billion dollars in mortgage lending, $69,000,000 in down payment assistance, and 1,300 renters assisted annually, including 263 right in I County. $180,000,000 has been invested in affordable housing development. We have 851 affordable housing units developed or preserved with more than 590 additional units planned through 2027. Since 2006, your community has benefited from 93,800,000 in mortgages to 514 homebuyers. That's also 3,600,000 in down payment assistance. I think to partially help from the 29,000,000 in total private activity bond cap transfers from the county commissioners. Your partnership makes this possible. Private activity bond cap, as you know, is not funding from your local budget. It's a federal allocation that can be used to expand affordable homeownership. And by transferring unused bond cap to Nevada rural housing, you're helping to keep those resources working for Nevada rural Nevada families. Today, BonCap is used exclusively to support our Launchpad homeownership program. Launchpad provides below market interest rates and down payment assistance that help working families purchase homes that might not otherwise be able to afford to. Over the last year, homeownership programs, in your community through Nevada rule have assisted 18 homebuyers and provided $5,000,000 in mortgages. And beyond beyond financing, we work with lenders, realtors, employers, and local partners while investing in statewide marketing and outreach. Residents know these programs exist, and we're fortunate to have a very dedicated, local group of lenders right there in Pahrump serving all of Nye County. I've also left behind some QR code business cards while I was there yesterday that linked directly to our homeownership programs, rental assistance programs, and other housing resources, and they're designed to make it easy for your staff to connect residents with help they need. Thank you for your continued partnership and for considering our request to transfer your unused podcast. I'm happy to answer any questions.

Voice Chear it at 9:56:57

Thank you. Any questions for no? Not seeing any. Thank you very much.

Voice Fhear it at 9:57:04

Public comment. Anyone ever have anything to say about it?

Voice Dhear it at 9:57:09

I have a hand raised, but it might be Katie. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ghear it at 9:57:18

Yes. This is Katie Coleman. I was gonna fill in for Kevin if he had to step away. So no public comment from me. Thank you. Thank you. Alright. I'll close public comment. Mhmm. That's done. Sure. I'd like to make a motion to adopt Nye County resolution number twenty twenty six dash 13.

Voice Chear it at 9:57:39

Four seconds. I have a motion on the second. Call for the vote. Aye. Or Xi? Conor Xi. Six. Six. It is, but it's buried in it is

Voice Ahear it at 10:13:32

Item 27, general public comment up to three minute time limit per person. Public comment will be for all matters off the agenda. Public comment must be limited to matters that are within the jurisdiction control of the Board of County Commissioners. Action will not be taken on the matters considered during this period until specifically included on an agenda as an action item.

Voice Bhear it at 10:13:57

Come on down, Susie.

Voice Chear it at 10:14:05

Susie Hertz, h e r t z. My comment has to do with what happens to this town and this county as a result of what the commissioners do. I think that there needs to be a more effective process for determining how to generate income to cover the services that are required to service this population. I think that there have been some poor choices made, and I think that they are choices that have been made because the dollar signs are large. And, unfortunately, they're contrary to common sense and contrary to the will of us common citizens. Examples being the data centers, the solar installations, the meta waste facilities, the glove factories, many, many different choices that are brought to the commissioners to make decisions on that don't make sense. They don't cause our community to flourish. They don't cause the citizens to be happy or to gain any positivity from them, there's more harm than good. And I would hope that there's some better mechanism for bringing opportunities to this community and this county than what has been done thus far. And I think if there was a way to do that, the people in this community be would be much happier. I'd be happy to sit down with anybody on the county staff and help develop a process that works better than what's been going on here. I've lived here for six years, and I've watched all of the activity very carefully. And I don't think that this government is doing a good enough job of taking care of us as a population as it should. So I would hope that there's some way to be more constructive and more positive in the choices that we make, more opportunity to listen to what people want rather than waiting until something really horrendous comes along and it incites everybody. But that there's a more productive positive process that allows for a more positive development here that's more in line with who we are. We are not a mini Las Vegas. We are not a mini Los Angeles. Thank you.

Voice Bhear it at 10:17:09

Thank you. Anyone on the phone?

Voice Dhear it at 10:17:14

Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ehear it at 10:17:22

Hello, commissioners. Bruce Johnson, g o h n s o n. I wanna give everybody a little civics and wisdom today to go home on. I'm Nevada law five zero one, state judicial department, chapter one judicial department, generally NRS statute 1.13, application of common law in courts. K. That's for starters. This really framework reflects an important principle of the way our government is society is supposed to operate. So I wanna remind the board that Nevada's grand jury has never been attended to or exist solely at the pleasure of government officials since the nineteenth century. Nevada law has recognized that citizens may bring forward evidence of alleged misappropriation of public money brought against the county or state or violence of public trust by public officers through a taxpayer affidavit supported by corroborating affidavits. K? Now I'd like to read NRS 6.14.

Voice Ehear it at 10:18:47

Actually, I'm gonna back up to 6.13. NRS. Permissible summoning of a grand jury by filing an affidavit or petition by taxpayer. In any county, if the statute of limitations does not run against the person offending, the district judge may summons a grand jury after an affidavit or verified petition by any taxpayer of the county accompanied by and with corroborating affidavits of at least two additional persons has been filed with the clerk of the district court. Setting forth reasonable evidence upon which a belief is based that there has been a misappropriation of public money or property by a public officer, past or present, or any fraud against the county or state by any officer, past or present, and any violation of trust by any officer, past or present. The district judge shall act upon the affidavit or petition within five days. If he or she fails or refuses to recall or summon a grand jury, the Appian or petition petitioner may proceed as provided in NRS six one four zero. Can you still hear me? Yep. Okay. If there's a grand jury in recess, court shall recall that grand jury. If there is not a grand jury in recess, a new grand jury must be summoned. Now this framework reflects an important principle. Allegations of public corruption are not left exclusively to those who have been Thank you. Thank

Voice Bhear it at 10:20:28

you, mister Johnson. Come on down, Tammy.

Voice Fhear it at 10:20:34

Tammy Pittman, p I t m a n. I wanna thank Susie for that was excellent information. I think I think she's was spot on. Second of all, reason I asked questions about the budget because y'all went and had to do some serious knife work recently. So what it was and what it is today, we cannot assume that it's the same thing. And thirdly, for mister Jabbour, As far as the, item for a special election, if it's re if we look at just Basin 162, it's just Pahrump. That means the election can be done paid for by the town of Pahrump. And I believe they're actually have some money. So there's you go. Bye.

Voice Dhear it at 10:21:30

Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ghear it at 10:21:37

Hi. Carrie Radomski, r a d o m s k I, town administrative coordinator for the Babytown Advisory Board. Just wanted to say thank you for your approval of item 20 for Baby Health and Welfare. Thank you.

Voice Hhear it at 10:21:52

Dwight, go. Good meeting, John. Dwight Lilly, taxpayer, l I l y. I wanna commend Ian Bain and Bruce Jabbar for understanding that the will of the people oftentimes supersedes money. Anytime you let money get in the way of your life, you have problems. The people have pushed back against, and I'm gonna say it, data, without getting cut off here. Senators, I have massive majority of people here, yet the money keeps rising up. I was happy to see where Yucca Mountain now has been taken completely off the board. Yep. Five other states are being running for the selection of the repository. We can't run our lives solely on money. Money oftentimes is the root of all evil. Our community here is worth more than a $100,000,000 a year. It's worth more than a trillion dollars a year, in my opinion. The the nature of our town, the character of our town means something. Being able to see the mountains out here means something without walk looking at a 75 foot wall of this massive structure. So, Ian, thank you very much for your effort. And, Bruce, thank you very much for listening to the people and coming together and understanding the people the will of the people has to prevail over money. If we keep thinking of money all the time, we will be slave to every rich person that comes to this hall here and says, you know what? I could sprinkle a little money in here if you just go along with my plan. Well, I'm not gonna sell my soul, and I hope you guys have learned a lesson not sell your soul. I hope we do have the vote, and I'm anticipating a massive rejection of the data center. Thank you. You guys have a great week.

Voice Bhear it at 10:23:49

Thank you, Dwight.

Voice Dhear it at 10:23:53

Phone? Yes, sir. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ihear it at 10:24:00

Yes. Ron Mortenson, l o r t I n s o n. I just want to congratulate, Don Koenig on conducting such a smooth meeting. It's been a much higher level of respect of the citizen participants. Thank you, and have a good day.

Voice Jhear it at 10:24:23

William Lovedren, l o v e g r e n. I just wanted to touch base earlier on my comment earlier this morning. I just spoke to you when you guys went into chambers to do whatever you were doing. Thomas Bowling took me outside and talked to me. He told me that the information's been in the DA's office for four years in regards to what's going on with the MOU and Artesia and the right of ways. So I've been sending emails. I know you guys all have gotten them, and I've documented everything. And I've been trying to get this handled and taken care of. So I would request that you guys possibly come up with something, especially when I was promised an agenda item on here. Thank you.

Voice Khear it at 10:25:23

I didn't wanna be last. Linda Clark, c l a r k. But I will. Okay. What a hell of a month. Holy spurt. You people who represent us, I think that's what you're supposed to be doing. I think you've done a poor job. I I'm not a politician. I do pay attention to what goes on in this country and especially here in this town. I'm almost to the opinion that we should've had the state regulators come in. And maybe we still need them. I can't believe we went through all this hell to get a budget set up and we're still spending money like we have it to go. I don't care if it's whatever you call it. We always seem to come up with the money you want. The things we need, we don't get. So I do wanna thank sheriff Joe, mister Lewis for holding the meeting a week ago Saturday. They did an excellent job keeping us all safe and running the whole program. And then they did a really good job this last Saturday also. I'm still concerned about the people that came here, pretended they cared about us, and wanted to hold up traffic and stop us from doing what we legally have a right to do. So that I don't know how they got away with that and why nobody's looking into that. It should have been looked into until legal. The other thing that I'm concerned about is where are we going from here? Where? We're almost through the end of the year. Thank God. We'll be getting a new board and hopefully they'll be a little bit brighter, more concerning to their constituents and have some common sense. I haven't seen that since I've been here. So wondering where we go. I don't care where the heck you two go. As far away from here as you can. But the rest of you have a job to do. I'm not saying all of you are doing a horrible job, but you need to care more for the constituents. You need to listen to us and our concerns, and our concerns should be your number one priority. Not all these special interest groups, not all these people that wanna pay under the table and provide us stuff that we're not gonna get just so somebody's happy on this board. So think about all that because we do and we're not happy with it. So have a good week and we'll see you all on the eighteenth. Thank you. I can hardly wait. Thank

Voice Bhear it at 10:28:17

you, Linda. Eddie, are on the phone?

Voice Dhear it at 10:28:21

Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Lhear it at 10:28:28

Thank you, commissioners. Gregory McMahon, m c capital m a h o n. Someone had sent a a message to me, and I just wanted to read it because it's, it's exactly what I was thinking and has to do with the comments I made earlier today regarding yesterday what happened, item six, the one from Ian Bain, commissioner Bain on the data center ban. When a motion is made and it gets a second, it belongs to the whole board. Any commissioner can amend it. Now if that's if that's true, Ian wanted to amend it yesterday. He tried to. He wasn't allowed to. I believe they asked he asked DA Coonsi if he could, and he says, no. They don't need that. They don't have to allow him to do that. They don't think you know? So someone's right, someone's wrong. You know? So they don't they don't need to to make a brand new motion. They can move to change the wording, add something, or strike something, which is clearly what Ian was trying to do with the motion that, commissioner Jabbour made. If this amendment gets its own gets its own second, its own debate, and its own vote, after that, the board goes back to the main motion, which which never which, which just kinda steamrolled over, in my opinion. So I know, commissioner Jabbourg, during the the public meeting we had, you you told me that we we need to depend on the process and the process. I and I told you at that point, believe the process is broken, especially when it comes to the planning department because they see the big picture, the big puzzle picture of a project. They know it, but it's released to us, the property owners, in little sections where we don't see the big picture of the puzzle. We see they're little pieces, and I don't believe that's full disclosure. I also don't think that any commissioner in Nye County should be an active realtor, broker, or have anything to do with the construction industry because of just conflicts of interest. And I don't think that the commissioner should be able to appoint anyone on the planning commission that's a realtor, active realtor, active broker, or have a construction business. I mean, that's just a huge conflict of interest. So the systems it's it's it's broken. That's part of the big problem here. So I wanted to bring that up, and thank you all. Have a wonder excuse me. Have a wonderful day.

Voice Bhear it at 10:31:18

Anyone on the phone?

Voice Dhear it at 10:31:19

Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Mhear it at 10:31:26

Hi. Amy Nelson, a l s o n. I just wanna give my condolences to the loss of our firefighter and to the family and his loved ones. And chief Lewis, my heart goes out to you and your fellow firefighters. John, you did okay today. You did better, I think, than you thought you would. When you're sitting in the chair, always be reminded that you're in charge. You're the one that we speak to. I don't speak to the other commissioners. My comments go only to the chair. And so the comments that are made from the others should be put in check. They should go through you and not, you know, just interrupt. They should ask you for permission. You're the boss, not them. Thank you very much for your decisions. And some of them I agree with, and some of them I don't. So we'll see you at the next meeting. Thank you. Thank you, Amy.

Voice Bhear it at 10:32:49

Any more on the phone?

Voice Dhear it at 10:32:51

Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Nhear it at 10:32:58

Hello, commissioners. Michael David Garcia, g a r c I a. My connection okay? Can y'all hear me?

Voice Bhear it at 10:33:07

It's wonderful, Michael.

Voice Nhear it at 10:33:10

Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. Once again, I'm not trying to, bring a downer or bad news or anything, but the system is broke. You can look at our courtroom there and the the JP that you appoint. Basically, what we're looking for is we're looking for you to stay in your constitutional lane. You know? Seventh amendment strictly dates back to the Bill of Rights, and with the Bill of Rights, you have natural rights. So, I mean, that pretty much puts all your gay marriages on notice. So, you know, hopefully, we could start there with our real chair and the the county manager. You know, we need to start shining up god's trust. Look at that sign right there in both both chambers. It's a little dark and dingy. Let's start putting some shine on that. That's what we're here for is god's trust. Once again, why I came to this microphone is the MOU when it comes to our kids and the schools have been violated. Our parental rights, our First Amendment rights, our the sanctity of family has been under attack in all aspects, and y'all do nothing. You have never said anything about child abuse and child neglect inside of Nye County in the last six years, and I think that's pretty telling as a Christian. It's the future of our country, folks. And once again, it's about due process. Okay? So how many unconstitutional ordinances does it take to wash away article one section one in Nevada constitution? This freedom of speech is a god given right. It wasn't permissive use by the government. We are all free men and women. We need to declare it. I'm not here to file a complaint. I'm here to stake a claim. The grand juries are coming back. Great job, Bruce Johnson, for articulating that. And in fact, if you wanna keep going, we can go to Georgia. Georgia Supreme Court just today, we're opening a can in these courtrooms when it comes to RICO. So a lot of y'all are gonna be able to face some RICO charges when there's two or more that conspired to to deprive you of your constitutional rights, whether it's an unconstitutional rule or ordinance or statute, you are gonna be faced. There is a price for your sins against the American people, against the children, against our elderly. The traffic is is is off the hook, and y'all do nothing. Y'all absolutely do nothing. You fund it. You facilitate it. You deal with all these collective bargaining agreements when it comes there. The DA has no accountability. These judges have no accountability. Y'all ain't showing anything, and where's the sheriff? What's protected? What seat is protected in this room? I'm not here to fight for victory. I'm fighting from victory. It's already been proven. What are y'all doing?

Voice Bhear it at 10:36:09

Anyone on the phone?

Voice Dhear it at 10:36:10

Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.

Voice Ohear it at 10:36:17

Thank you, commissioners, for taking this call. Thank you for the long afternoon. Matt Sadler, s a d l e r. Much better, more professional meeting today. Great job chairing it today, mister Conan. That was great. I know serious decisions have to get made here involved in this county. I know we voted on some, some increased expenditures having to do with payroll of our vital employees. And don't get me wrong. I think the employees are vital, our first responders and our management. But now with that comes the onus on you, department managers. Important hard decisions are gonna need to be made for sustainability in this county. There's no way avoiding that. We cannot and we must not put our faith in lofty promises from big industry that is going to promise us the moon and the stars and leave us hanging. And not to mention, in my opinion, could potentially destroy this entire community. So with that in mind, I wanna keep my comments brief. God bless you all. God bless Nye County, and until the next meeting. Take care.

Voice Bhear it at 10:37:22

Any further phone?

Voice Dhear it at 10:37:24

No, chair. Good.

Voice Bhear it at 10:37:26

Seeing none here. Close public comment. We'll go to number 28.

Voice Ahear it at 10:37:33

Item 28, CommissionerManager comments. This item is limited to announcements, brief discussions of public comments, correction of factual inaccuracies, direction to staff or topics

Voice Bhear it at 10:37:59

Is Mr. Lovgren in chambers?

Voice Bhear it at 10:38:05

Yes, thank you. Condolences to and for Mr. Lovgren. Very sorry to hear that, and we're hearing about from the fire department and EMS, one of the county employees, long term county employees, Roddy, and also metro officer in Las Vegas. So condolences to all of And you and your I want to thank everybody for participating in the last two days, actually the last two weeks. Just great information. And when it all comes to fruition of final decisions, it will all make sense. So thank you again.

Voice Dhear it at 10:38:58

Yes, sir. Chair, I'd like to ask staff if we have anything coming up for our bill draft resolutions are due ninth month, first day. And for the legislative session for 2027, do we have a presenter coming to see us here in the very near future about a BDR?

Voice Ahear it at 10:39:22

Not that I'm aware of. Okay. I haven't been made aware nor I do I the assistant manager neither has been made aware of any proposed BP. We haven't brought any to you, have we? Well, no. We had a presentation by our lobbyist Mhmm. Here just, I don't know, a month ago or so. Right. But I haven't heard anything since. Okay.

Voice Dhear it at 10:39:49

Alright. I guess we need to put our thinking caps on and see if there's anything we wanna do legislatively for this county. We get one. Thank you, chair.

Voice Chear it at 10:40:00

Any managers have any comments? Do have anything?

Voice Ahear it at 10:40:07

No. I just reminded me. I know NACO is I saw yesterday that they've created the form, but there was nothing on it yet. So I do anticipate that coming here pretty soon.

Voice Ehear it at 10:40:20

So What does it do? Do you know what the date due date is for this? Yeah. That's to be in the next first day of September. And that's just it it's basically just goes to the house clerk or whatever to type something in for us. Is that essentially what it is? The process is done. Plight of bureau. That's how you get something in. Yep.

Voice Dhear it at 10:40:39

There's no none of them on the phone.

Voice Chear it at 10:40:41

No. Mean, do you do you have anything? Oh, no. I'm asking. Thank you. You've been here all day long. You know? One of those things. So Serena?

Voice Dhear it at 10:40:50

Hello, ma'am? Serena, do have Serena. Come on.

Voice Chear it at 10:40:54

Deputy district attorney. No? Nothing? I have nothing either.

Voice Ahear it at 5:49:55

Because of the time, we are going to adjourn today, resume tomorrow morning at 8.30 as is required. As is required and tomorrow Commissioner Koenig will be chairing because I have a doctor's appointment in Vegas.

Voice Bhear it at 5:50:15

Commissioner Jabbour, are you going to be available tomorrow morning for this?

Voice Chear it at 5:50:18

Absolutely, thank you for that. So, Sheriff, before you adjourn,

Voice Bhear it at 5:50:23

Before we adjourn.

Voice Ahear it at 5:50:24

Yes, sir, go ahead.

Voice Chear it at 5:50:25

Before you adjourn.

Voice Bhear it at 5:50:26

Maybe we'll just take a break because they're yelling at us right now and

Voice Chear it at 5:50:31

I don't know.

Voice Bhear it at 5:50:32

can't hear you.

Voice Chear it at 5:50:33

I think they're yelling at you with joy because there's a possibility that we can get some more items passed.

Voice Ahear it at 5:50:43

Commissioner, we cannot hear you at all.

Voice Dhear it at 5:50:46

This place is super loud, Bruce. We're done. I apologize, Bruce. We're done for today. Oh, sorry, Commissioner DeBoer, are you available tomorrow? Not that we have a choice through NRS.

Voice Chear it at 5:51:13

Well, can you hear me now?

Voice Chear it at 5:51:17

Seeing how I... Oh, I'm your doctor. I'm cancelling your 8.30 appointment. And so I'll see you all at 8.30.

Voice Dhear it at 5:51:28

Did you hear him this time?

Voice Bhear it at 5:51:30

Wait, shall we call you?

Voice Bhear it at 5:51:41

Let me call him.

Voice Ehear it at 5:52:32

Morning, Commissioner DeBoer.

Voice Bhear it at 5:52:38

Do you want to

Voice Chear it at 5:52:39

Can you hear me okay today?

Voice Ehear it at 5:52:40

Yes, sir. We're good to go.