Public meetings / Planning Commission
August 13, 2014
132 turns, 132 with a named speaker, under 8 agenda items. The words and the names are the county clerk's.
4. For possible action - Approval of Minutes:
Commissioner King
motions to approve, seconded by Commissioner Dolan. Vote: Motion carried by unanimous roll call vote (summary: Yes = 7). Yes: Bill Dolan, Bob King, Gregory Hafen II, John Koenig, Joseph Goode, Paul Carr, Vincent Clark. Page 1 of 12
5. For possible action - Approval of / Modifications to the Agenda: Approval of the Agenda after
Commissioner Koenig
moves item #12 up to item 8.5.
6. Correspondence and Announcements
Commissioner Carbone
stated the Master Plan will be on the August 19th BOCC agenda.
9. For possible action – CU-14-0001 (Remanded from the BOCC): Public hearing, discussion,
Commissioner Koenig
reviews the application history for the two new commissioners.
Commissioner Hafen
asks if they were hearing the application as of today if the application would not meet the zoning requirements correct.
Ms. Lee
stated that is correct, as of April 22, 2014, Bill 2014-01 was adopted by BOCC with an effective date of May 12th 2014 removing Commercial Kennels from the RE-1 and RE-2 zoning districts. The subject property is zoned RE-2.
Commissioner Hafen
asks about finding #2, it states the conditional use will be designed, constructed, operated, and maintained so as to be harmonious and appropriate in appearance with the existing or intended character of the general vicinity. Yet in the details in the staff report he believes it would should state it will not be designed…
Ms. Lee
stated the DA’s office directed her to leave her findings as she addressed them at the May 14th RPC meeting, in the hopes that the applicant was going to comply with Title 6 and Title 17.
Commissioner Clark
asks if Animal Control had been there anytime recently.
Ms. Lee
stated she would rather have the DA’s office answer that question, anything from the May 14th meeting till now does not pertain to this meeting tonight.
Commissioner King
asks Ms. Lee to explain why the property is not a grandfathered status as the BOCC thought they might be. Page 2 of 12
Ms. Lee
stated the basis of Grandfathering is that you are legal non-conforming use of the property. Legal meeting you meet all the codes, regulations and laws. Non-conforming means that your use doesn’t conform to the legal us of the property. This property is not legally operating, they would need a CUP among other things for the use to be conforming to the zoning district.
Mr. Sutton
clarifies stating you can’t take something illegal and grandfather it, to be grandfathered it has to be legal with the current conditions. Which is not the case with this property.
Commissioner Koenig
refers to the applicants. Carl Grubb, applicant. He states the confusion on the process, timing, paperwork and the work getting done was not anyone’s fault but theirs.
Commissioner Koenig
stated at the BOCC meeting Mr. Grubb had stated twice that Bill from Building and Safety had seen everything and approved it.
Mr. Grubb
stated that was after the May 12th meeting.
Commissioner Koenig
stated after talking with Bill he has not been out there.
Mr. Grubb
stated no he had only seen pictures.
Commissioner Koenig
stated what the BOCC heard was that Bill had been out there.
Mr. Grubb
stated no, he had went to him with pictures and he should have come to him before, during the work.
Commissioner Koenig
stated for the record it is Bill Browning.
Commissioner King
motions to deny CU-14-0001 based upon staff findings. Seconded by
10. For possible action – CU-14-0006: Public hearing, discussion, deliberation and possible action
Ms. Lee
states the applicant has asked to withdraw the application without prejudice.
Commissioner Hafen
motions to withdraw without prejudice. Seconded by Commissioner King,
Commissioner Carr
asks Commissioner Koenig if the statement “based upon alternate findings as established by the PRPC” means at this process or any time in the future.
Commissioner Koenig
stated it means during this process or generally in the future. Master Plan Amendment, Zone Change, and related Conditional Use Permit (CUP) Applications: 11. a. For Possible Action MP-14-0004: Public hearing, discussion, deliberation and possible action on a request for a (Major) Master Plan Amendment application to change 55-acres from the Mixed Use and Low Density Residential land use designations to the General Commercial land use designation, located at 600 S. Leslie Street, a portion of the East ½ of Section 18, Township 20 South, Range 53 East. American Eagle RV & Resorts, LLC – Property Owner. Rene Morales, Managing Member, American Eagle RV & Resorts, LLC – Applicant. Civilwise Services, Inc. – Agent. AP# 36-171-28. (SO) b. For Possible Action ZC-14-0008: Public hearing, discussion, deliberation and possible action on a request for a (Non-Conforming) Zone Change application to change approximately 32-acres of a 55-acre parcel from the Rural Estates (RE-1) Zoning District to the General Commercial (GC) Zoning District located at 600 S. Leslie Street, a portion of the East ½ of Section 18, Township 20 South, Range 53 East. American Eagle RV & Resorts, LLC – Property Owner. Rene Morales, Managing Member, American Eagle RV & Resorts, LLC – Applicant. Civilwise Services, Inc. – Agent. AP# 36-171-28. (SO) c. For Possible Action CU-14-0007: Public hearing, discussion, deliberation and possible action on a request for a Conditional Use Permit application to allow a 213-space Recreational Vehicle Park which includes the construction of a three acre lake, on a 14- acre portion of a 55-acre parcel located at 600 S. Leslie Street, a portion of the East ½ of Section 18, Township 20 South, Range 53 East. American Eagle RV & Resorts, LLC – Property Owner. Rene Morales, Managing Member, American Eagle RV & Resorts, LLC – Applicant. Civilwise Services, Inc. – Agent. AP# 36-171-28. (SO) Steve Osborne reviews the staff report and staff states sufficient information has not been provided by the applicant, staff is recommending a continuation so the applicant can consult the NCWD for discussion on the lake.
Commissioner Koenig
stated he thought all lakes had to go before the water board.
Mr. Lacy
stated it is a recommendation but there is nothing in the NCC that requires it.
Commissioner Hafen
asks Mr. Osborne about the expiration of the GC zoning. It reverts back to RE-1?
Mr. Osborne
states if it is an automatic reversion the code says it reverts back to the previous zoning which is Open Use.
Commissioner Clark
asks Mr. Lacy to expand on the Water Board.
Mr. Lacy
, Planning Director and GM for the NCWD. The BOCC has requested that the Water District review any changes that have potential high water usage. There is nothing in the NCC to approve anything but the BOCC have requested their input in those activities for a recommendation. Page 4 of 12 Dave Richards, Civilwise Services, representing the applicant. Mr. Richards reviews a presentation on the RV Park, and the request for Zone Change and Master Plan Amendment.
Commissioner Koenig
asks when they bought this property.
Mr. Richards
stated 6 to 8 months ago.
Commissioner Koenig
ask what was it zoned then, people knew it wasn’t zoned or master planned for an RV park.
Commissioner Hafen
asks for Mr. Richards to explain his calculation of 16 acre feet for the 3 acre lake.
Mr. Richards
states that is based on a calculation of what the evaporation rates for a desert area are. 6” per month is the evaporation on a water service. That has been measured in Lake Mead many times. They calculate that over a three acre service.
Commissioner Hafen
stated it is his understanding based on the information he has that it is a little over 7 acre feet per acre not 5 1/3 acre feet like Mr. Richards calculated.
Commissioner Hafen
asks Mr. Richards if he has permit numbers or certificate number that he can provide to the board.
Mr. Richards
stated he doesn’t have them now but can provide them to the board.
Commissioner Hafen
there will be water and sewer facilities on the location. There isn’t anything on the plans showing where they will be, and asks Mr. Richards to elaborate on the type of waste water treatment that will be on the location.
Mr. Richards
stated it is a treatment plant that the client has already purchased and has been approved by NDEP for another development that never went forward and they are repurposing it to this site. The sewer plant will be located to the north and west of the RV Park. They may change the location to a more adequate spot.
Commissioner Hafen
asks how they will address NDEPs WTS21 which requires a 1000ft buffer between a waste water plant and a residence.
Mr. Richards
stated that is one thing they need to be addressed. They have plenty of room on the property that will make sure the conditions are met. In the design phase there will be an attempt to make it 900 feet from a residence, but that will be addressed with NDEP.
Commissioner Hafen
asks Mr. Sutton a waste water treatment plan requires a CUP under the current zoning. This CUP would not be approving a waste water treatment plant for this site because this CUP is not applying for a waste water treatment plant, is that correct. That is something that will have to come before us at a later time, correct.
Mr. Sutton
that can be made as a condition that they get that permit before moving forward.
Commissioner Hafen
asks Mr. Richards if they will be coming back for an approval of the Waste Water Treatment. Page 5 of 12
Mr. Richards
stated not only that there are more hoops they have to address, they are not asking for approval of that today.
Commissioner Clark
asks what they have in mind for using the lake for recreation.
Mr. Richards
stated paddle boating, designate a swim area, a beach and boating. If they don’t get the health approvals they do have a designated are for a pool just in case.
Commissioner Clark
asks how they will deal with the noise.
Mr. Richards
stated they will have berms in the setbacks, there won’t be continual noise all day. There will be a requirement in this RV Park for quiet times.
Commissioner Clark
stated the area is surrounded by RE-1.
Mr. Richards
stated there are 6 homes, in the general area and yes they are RE-1. That is why the Planning department sets conditions on how the park has to be designed when in a residential area.
Commissioner Carbone
, asks if the client is involved with any other RV parks in the valley.
Mr. Richards
stated no, they have made a submittal for a small scale RV Park on Homestead, but that hasn’t been brought before for approval.
Commissioner Carbone
asks if the applicant is willing to contribute to improve Leslie from Hwy 160 to Hwy 372.
Mr. Richards
stated he doesn’t think anyone could afford to do that. He does know that Leslie needs improvements but that is why they do a traffic impact analysis, and they understand there could be a request to improve it. The project as proposed will go to develop revenue for this area, some of the revenue will go to roads, the impact fees will be designed to go to roads and participation fees in all the intersections will go into funds for improvement there. If the development goes forward that you do have the tools to develop the extra income and revenue to improve Leslie.
Commissioner Carbone
asks staff how many of those are large properties that aren’t on utilities that could be well owners.
Mr. Osborne
stated these are all acre and above.
Commissioner Carbone
asks if there will be a problem with the cone of depression if they start putting wells in.
Mr. Lacy
stated it is in area that has a steady state of decline in the area, somewhere to half a foot to 1 foot a year.
Mr. Richards
states they don’t intend on using any more water that is allocated to the site.
Commissioner Carbone
asks how a private organization plans on running a standalone sewer system when the race track can’t do it.
Mr. Lacy
stated part of the issue is he is asking for a zone change on a 55 acres which includes a large commercial property, but he isn’t discussing that when talking about the RV Park. What about the plans for the rest of the 55 acres that is being asked for the Page 6 of 12 zone change? For an RV park with one owner they can have a self-contained water system where they are the only customer. When they propose to sell water of sewer services to another party is when it requires a utility company. To develop the rest of the commercial property is when you get into that problem. He hasn’t addressed that.
Mr. Lacy
asks Mr. Richards if the sewer plant they are proposing is only to supply the needs of the RV Park.
Mr. Richards
states the sewer plant is large enough to supply the RV Park and the commercial areas. It is for the entire 55 acres.
Mr. Lacy
stated with the design and uses for the rest of the commercial area have been undefined. General Commercial area allows a wide variety uses all the way up to hotels and casinos. We need to more clearly define what will happen and take it to the water district for a review of the total water usage for the full 55 acres.
Commissioner Carbone
asks if they plan on putting any park models in the RV Park.
Mr. Richards
stated that isn’t the intention at this time. He suggests that be dealt with in the NCC. He can put rules in the RV Park to keep people from living there.
Commissioner Dolan
stated there wouldn’t be any difference in drop of the aquifer if all those parcels around it were to develop with wells, and they continue to irrigate. The comment of asking the client to improve Leslie to Hwy 160 to Hwy 372 was unrealistic. Golden Gaming wasn’t asked to improve Homestead when they bought out Lakeside.
Commissioner Carbone
asks Mr. Richards if they are irrigating right now.
Mr. Richards
stated they haven’t irrigated in approximately 3 of 4 years.
Commissioner King
stated on the site plan it shows Wilson Road extending across the property where it now doesn’t, is that part of the development.
Mr. Richards
stated yes, Wilson will be dedicated to the County, it will be built to the County specifications and the access to the RV Park will be built from Wilson.
Commissioner Hafen
asks if the lake will be lined.
Mr. Richards
stated they will be doing soils analysis to determine what the type of lining will be for the lake.
Commissioner Hafen
asks if the applicant will be amenable to a adding a condition of approval that it shall be lined.
Mr. Richards
stated he thinks that is reasonable.
Commissioner Hafen
asked how high of a berm they are proposing.
Mr. Richards
stated a minimum of 8 ft.
Commissioner Hafen
asked if the client would be amenable to putting that into a condition of a minimum of 8 ft buffer type of berm.
Mr. Richards
stated they would like an engineering option of a combination of berms and block walls to that height. Page 7 of 12
Commissioner Hafen
asked if the client would be amendable to a condition requiring additional water rights be relinquished to offset the impact.
Mr. Richards
stated the client needs to know more about it. They may consider that if he has additional water rights that aren’t being used. They have 125 acre feet and they would like to keep it available and not release it to the state and then have to buy more if the area builds up.
Commissioner Hafen
asks if they have reviewed and agree to the conditions that are in the staff report.
Mr. Richards
states they do agree to relinquish additional water rights, and yes they do agree.
Commissioner Hafen
asks if they agree this CUP is not an approval for a waste water treatment facility.
Commissioner Koenig
refers back to the applicant.
Mr. Richards
states he understands the concerns of the public.
Commissioner Koenig
asks Mr. Richards if there was a motion to continue would you be amenable to it or do you just want an approval or denial.
Mr. Richards
stated he would like to hear the argument for continuance.
Mr. Osborne
stated one of the main reasons would be for the applicant to go before the Water District and give a presentation to them so they can review and give input on it. Also to allow additional information on some of the questions to be presented to us.
Mr. Richards
stated no he wouldn’t like a continuance but would ask the client. Rene Morales, he believes Mr. Richards has addressed all the questions. He agrees with
Mr. Hafen
on the condition of building the berm 8 feet high.
Mr. Richards
stated the Water Board will be giving a full presentation on the water usage. Design Plans and Dust Control Plans will be submitted per requirements and dealt with properly. Page 8 of 12
Commissioner Koenig
takes application MP-14-0004 separately.
Commissioner Hafen
stated the applicant was against continuing the applicant but stated they would present to the Water Board. Staff’s recommendations were to continue or deny and the applicant did not want to continue it.
Commissioner Koenig
stated correct, they didn’t want to continue.
Mr. Richards
stated they do not want to continue it because they will be approaching the Water District.
Commissioner Koenig
stated once we approve it whatever the water district says will mean nothing.
Mr. Morales
states if they vote tonight they can place a condition that if you approve the RV Park and the Water District doesn’t approve the lake we won’t build the lake, but they will still continue with the RV Park.
Commissioner Hafen
asked Mr. Lacy if this would go before the Water District.
Mr. Lacy
stated it would only go before the Water District for a recommendation to give a review to the BOCC on the project, if it is requested.
Commissioner Hafen
states if we don’t request it and we vote on it tonight it will not go before the Water District.
Mr. Lacy
stated that is correct, it will not go before them for any approvals.
Mr. Richards
stated the BOCC would be considering any input from the Water Advisory Board which would behoove us to approach them.
Commissioner Koenig
stated a CUP doesn’t go before the BOCC.
Mr. Richards
asks if all three applications will go before the BOCC as a package.
Commissioner King
stated that is correct, they all go.
Commissioner Clark
asks Mr. Morales if he would consider proceeding with the RV Park without the lake, and how does this impact your project.
Mr. Morales
stated if the Water Board doesn’t approve it, we would like to proceed with the RV Park. It could be one of the conditions. It impacts us tremendously.
Commissioner Dolan
motions to approve MP-14-0004, seconded by Commissioner Goode.
Commissioner Hafen
asks Commissioner Dolan to elaborate on his findings specifically pages 2-3 and items 1-13 of the staff report.
Mr. Sutton
states whenever we get a land use application staff reviews it, NCC sets criteria that must be met and addressed point by point. All of the findings he can see were not in favor of approval but if you do approve all points must be addressed. Page 9 of 12
Commissioner Dolan
states with the comments made by the DA’s office he withdraws his motion.
Commissioner Goode
withdraws his second.
Mr. Richards
states he would like Commissioner Dolan to take the time to address each finding and suggest why he doesn’t agree to them.
Commissioner Clark
motions to recess, seconded by Commissioner Hafen.
Commissioner Dolan
stated without getting to review the impact study that was turned into planning, there are questions in there that could have changed his mind on some of the conditions. If they were to continue or bring it back they would be facing the same issues at that time unless they see the impact study. Either way it goes to the BOCC.
Commissioner Dolan
motions to deny items A, B and C and send it to the BOCC; seconded by Commissioner King.
Commissioner Hafen
stated Commissioner Dolan motioned to deny and to send to BOCC.
Ms. Lee
stated the Master Plan Amendment and Zone Change are superior items that are final action by the BOCC, the vote of this board is a recommendation to the BOCC when they hear this item.
12. For possible action – ZC-14-0009: Public hearing, discussion, deliberation and possible action
Commissioner Hafen
asks if this zone change will change the fact the property owners can keep livestock.
Commissioner Koenig
stated no, we are attempting to rezone the parcels to the RE-1 zoning district, leaving it RH-4.5 the setback would be higher than if we properly zone it. Winn Brooks, asks for clarification on the setbacks.
Commissioner Koenig
read the setbacks as stated per 17.04.225.
Commissioner Hafen
motions to approve, seconded by Commissioner Goode.
13. For possible action – RPC Bylaws: Discussion, deliberation and possible action to amend the
Commissioner King
stated on page 6, Conduct of Meetings, if the first falls on a Wednesday the RPC meeting is moved to the third Wednesday of the month. There is a statement stating we can reschedule if there is a conflict. Does clarification need made.
Mr. Sutton
states it is covered with our current practice, but we can agendize it and add address that. As it stands now it has been the common practice but we can make it more specific.
Commissioner Koenig
stated page 10, regarding sign in sheets. We don’t do that anymore.
Commissioner King
motions to accept amendments as given; seconded by Commissioner Hafen.
15. Future Meetings/Workshops: Discussion and Direction Concerning Items for Future
Commissioner Koenig
would like an item with the additional RPC Bylaw amendments, delete the reference to sign in sheets on page 10 and Commissioner Kings comments for page 6. Page 11 of 12